I am looking for my grandfather’s birth record and cannot locate it anywhere. His name was Harold “Jack” Shaw. Father Henry Charles Harold Shaw Mother Harriet Morris. I have not been able to find anything under Harold. He was born in London or possibly Oxford where his father was the headmaster at Carlton Lodge School located at 239/241 Iffley Rd. in Headington (district),Oxfordshire, England. The 1881 census lists the family as residing at that address. Henry Charles Shaw had 9 children the last of whom was my grandfather Harold Shaw. The second youngest child, Lionel Shaw, was born 27 Jul 1880 in Oxford. Lionel Shaw is listed in the 1881 England census as an infant. The family immigrated to Quebec, Canada arriving there on the ship “Samaritan” on 10 Aug 1883. My grandfather was listed as 2 years old on the ship’s manifest. I calculate that he must have been born sometime in 1881. I cannot find him on any of the websites provided birth information. Henry Charles Shaw and his father Robert Shaw were baptized and married at St. Maryleborne in London. Any other records I could check? Different parish directories, city directories? Go to Oxford? Any assistance would be much appreciated. I live in Guatemala and will be in London from August 4 through August 22 to work on my genealogy (and Olympics, of course). Thank you. Dinah Shaw

Dinah Henry Charles Shaw and his family (5 children) were living in Pipestone Manitoba in 1891 when the census was taken.  There is also a Mary Anne Morris with the the family plus a governess and a domestic servant. All were born in England. Pipestone is a small town in the grain farming area in the southwest corner of Manitoba. The census is on the Library and Archives (LAC) website at:  www.collectionscanada.gc.ca   under 'c' for census. The 1891 census is name searchable. It appears in two forms - pdf (which will allow you to save the page) or jpeg (which looks better); both can be magnified. There are two pages attached to each image, so be sure to search both. Harold was listed aged 8 and Lionel was 9. The census was taken on the 2nd May 1891 so Harold could be born as late as 1st May 1883 and still be 8. The Shaws appear not to be in Canada after the 1891 census. I suspect that they travelled on perhaps going down to the US or back to England. There are other censuses also but 1901, 1906 and 1911 are not name searchable. To search those ones put the words "automated genealogy" into your browser and follow the instructions. These indexes were done by volunteers from census sheets that were not easy to transcribe mainly because many of the census takers were dealing with unfamiliar accents and spellings. The handwriting often is dreadful especially the later censuses.  For these censuses a search brings up a transcribed list for each census page. At the top of the list is the link to the relevant image on the LAC site.  Civil registration in Canada is called Vital Statistics and is a provincial responsibility. This means that you need to search in each province's website (if they actually have an index to the registrations) for the births, marriages and deaths. Manitoba does have an index. A very useful additional piece of information is given in the birth index. Use the "Detail View" button. Most times the mother's full maiden name is given under "Mother's Details". Its database index address is:  vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php British Columbia also has a very good historic index at:   bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm   Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: Dinah <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:39 pm Subject: [SOG-UK] Looking for my greandfather Harold Shaw To: [email protected] > > I am looking for my grandfather’s birth record and cannot locate > it anywhere. His name was Harold “Jack” Shaw.  Father Henry > Charles Harold Shaw  Mother Harriet Morris. I have not been > able to find anything under Harold.  He was born in London > or possibly Oxford where his father was the headmaster at > Carlton Lodge School located at 239/241 Iffley Rd. in Headington > (district),Oxfordshire, England. The 1881 census lists the > family as residing at that address. >   > Henry Charles Shaw had 9 children the last of whom was my > grandfather Harold Shaw.  The second youngest child, Lionel > Shaw, was born 27 Jul 1880 in Oxford.  Lionel Shaw is > listed in the 1881 England census as an infant.  The family > immigrated to Quebec, Canada arriving there on the ship > “Samaritan” on 10 Aug 1883. My grandfather was listed as 2 years > old on the ship’s manifest.  I calculate that he must have > been born sometime in 1881.  >   > I cannot find him on any of the websites provided birth > information.  Henry Charles Shaw and his father Robert Shaw > were baptized and married at St. Maryleborne in London.  > Any other records I could check?  Different parish > directories, city directories?  Go to Oxford?  Any > assistance would be much appreciated. >   > I live in Guatemala and will be in London from August 4 through > August 22 to work on my genealogy (and Olympics, of course). >   > Thank you. >   > Dinah Shaw >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dinah,   His baptism is located in the parish registers of Cowley St Mary & St John Oxfordshire   30 Aug 1881  Harold son of Hen Chas & Haret Sch/Master   The registers can be obtained from the Oxfordshire Family History Society (ofhs.org.uk)   hope this helps   regards   Elaine Newbold       ________________________________ From: Dinah <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2012, 0:35 Subject: [SOG-UK] Looking for my greandfather Harold Shaw I am looking for my grandfather’s birth record and cannot locate it anywhere. His name was Harold “Jack” Shaw.  Father Henry Charles Harold Shaw  Mother Harriet Morris. I have not been able to find anything under Harold.  He was born in London or possibly Oxford where his father was the headmaster at Carlton Lodge School located at 239/241 Iffley Rd. in Headington (district),Oxfordshire, England. The 1881 census lists the family as residing at that address. Henry Charles Shaw had 9 children the last of whom was my grandfather Harold Shaw.  The second youngest child, Lionel Shaw, was born 27 Jul 1880 in Oxford.  Lionel Shaw is listed in the 1881 England census as an infant.  The family immigrated to Quebec, Canada arriving there on the ship “Samaritan” on 10 Aug 1883. My grandfather was listed as 2 years old on the ship’s manifest.  I calculate that he must have been born sometime in 1881.  I cannot find him on any of the websites provided birth information.  Henry Charles Shaw and his father Robert Shaw were baptized and married at St. Maryleborne in London.  Any other records I could check?  Different parish directories, city directories?  Go to Oxford?  Any assistance would be much appreciated. I live in Guatemala and will be in London from August 4 through August 22 to work on my genealogy (and Olympics, of course). Thank you. Dinah Shaw ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dinah Don't forget that even though he may have been baptised as Harold his birth registration may well have been under another name. Also even though the baptism was in Cowley was that where they were born. Two of the children of my GG Grandfather, John Smith, were born in Hackney yet they were baptised in Lavenham, Suffolk (Thankfully the register said as much) mind I have still not been able to isolate the birth entries - too many John Smith's in Hackney! It is also possible that the surname was misread when it was indexed by the GRO. Regards John Hanson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of elaine newbold Sent: 22 May 2012 07:27 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Looking for my greandfather Harold Shaw Hi Dinah, His baptism is located in the parish registers of Cowley St Mary & St John Oxfordshire 30 Aug 1881 Harold son of Hen Chas & Haret Sch/Master The registers can be obtained from the Oxfordshire Family History Society (ofhs.org.uk) hope this helps regards Elaine Newbold ________________________________ From: Dinah <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2012, 0:35 Subject: [SOG-UK] Looking for my greandfather Harold Shaw I am looking for my grandfather’s birth record and cannot locate it anywhere. His name was Harold “Jack” Shaw. Father Henry Charles Harold Shaw Mother Harriet Morris. I have not been able to find anything under Harold. He was born in London or possibly Oxford where his father was the headmaster at Carlton Lodge School located at 239/241 Iffley Rd. in Headington (district),Oxfordshire, England. The 1881 census lists the family as residing at that address. Henry Charles Shaw had 9 children the last of whom was my grandfather Harold Shaw. The second youngest child, Lionel Shaw, was born 27 Jul 1880 in Oxford. Lionel Shaw is listed in the 1881 England census as an infant. The family immigrated to Quebec, Canada arriving there on the ship “Samaritan” on 10 Aug 1883. My grandfather was listed as 2 years old on the ship’s manifest. I calculate that he must have been born sometime in 1881. I cannot find him on any of the websites provided birth information. Henry Charles Shaw and his father Robert Shaw were baptized and married at St. Maryleborne in London. Any other records I could check? Different parish directories, city directories? Go to Oxford? Any assistance would be much appreciated. I live in Guatemala and will be in London from August 4 through August 22 to work on my genealogy (and Olympics, of course). Thank you. Dinah Shaw ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow! Elaine you are fantastic. Thank you so much Thanks to everyone who responded. You gave me great info. Dinah -----Original Message----- From: elaine newbold <[email protected]> To: sog-uk <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 12:28 am Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Looking for my greandfather Harold Shaw Hi Dinah, is baptism is located in the parish registers of Cowley St Mary & St John xfordshire 0 Aug 1881 Harold son of Hen Chas & Haret Sch/Master he registers can be obtained from the Oxfordshire Family History Society ofhs.org.uk) ope this helps egards laine Newbold _______________________________ rom: Dinah <[email protected]> o: [email protected] ent: Tuesday, 22 May 2012, 0:35 ubject: [SOG-UK] Looking for my greandfather Harold Shaw am looking for my grandfather’s birth record and cannot locate it anywhere. is name was Harold “Jack” Shaw. Father Henry Charles Harold Shaw Mother arriet Morris. I have not been able to find anything under Harold. He was born n London or possibly Oxford where his father was the headmaster at Carlton odge School located at 239/241 Iffley Rd. in Headington (district),Oxfordshire, ngland. The 1881 census lists the family as residing at that address. Henry Charles Shaw had 9 children the last of whom was my grandfather Harold haw. The second youngest child, Lionel Shaw, was born 27 Jul 1880 in Oxford. ionel Shaw is listed in the 1881 England census as an infant. The family mmigrated to Quebec, Canada arriving there on the ship “Samaritan” on 10 Aug 883. My grandfather was listed as 2 years old on the ship’s manifest. I alculate that he must have been born sometime in 1881. I cannot find him on any of the websites provided birth information. Henry harles Shaw and his father Robert Shaw were baptized and married at St. aryleborne in London. Any other records I could check? Different parish irectories, city directories? Go to Oxford? Any assistance would be much ppreciated. I live in Guatemala and will be in London from August 4 through August 22 to ork on my genealogy (and Olympics, of course). Thank you. Dinah Shaw ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message