GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number (Else Churchill) It's all hot air. Nothing seems to stop these companies from trading. Just Google 'birth certificate' and you'll see. The people to complain to are BIS (Department of Business, etc) but they've been totally ineffective for 2 years, as has the GRO. Peter Turvey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 11 February 2012 19:45 To: [email protected] Subject: SOG-UK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 22 Today's Topics: 1. Joseph BOY (Blair Southerden) 2. GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number (Else Churchill) 3. Re: GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number (Jeanne Bunting) 4. Re: GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites (A Jones) 5. Re: GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number (Ann L. Wells) 6. Re: Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler (John Alexander) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:41:15 +0000 From: Blair Southerden <[email protected]> Subject: [SOG-UK] Joseph BOY To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Irene A good result. The regimental history repeats the story of the march down the Champs ?lys?es so you an have confidence in that piece of information too. Their marches around England we in aid of the Civil Power, helping to quell unrest and riots, I think the Chartist Riots but haven't checked dates. Then as you know off to Ireland and then Canada. Best regards Blair On 11 Feb 2012, at 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler (Irene Marlborough) > 2. Re: Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler (Peter Goodey) > 3. Re: Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler (Mike flaherty) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:53:08 -0600 > From: "Irene Marlborough" <[email protected]> > Subject: [SOG-UK] Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello All but especially Chris & Blair: > > My hired researcher has concluded his work at TNA and now I have full details of the military career of Joseph BOY / BYE / BUY. There's nothing that Chris didn't already find but now I have photos of the documents which allows me to glean a few extra details. > > So Joseph was born in Wantage, Berkshire on 16 Oct 1786 and baptised 6 months later. He enlisted at Newbury in 1804. He served in the Peninsula War arriving home (Chatham) in 1814 but leaving almost immediately for Flanders. He fought at the Battle of Waterloo and afterwards was in Paris on the Champs Elysees! At least that's what the muster roll says. > > He stayed in France mostly at Therouanne and a camp near St Omar until late 1818 when the regiment returned to England. Joseph was stationed at Chester which must be where he met his bride Elizabeth ANDREW(S). In early 1819 he is at Weedon Barracks in Northamptonshire. I'm not sure how this works out but he is accounted for at Weedon every day of the quarter ending 24 Jun 1819 even though I know he was in Chester getting married on Jun 21. > > Later that year the regiment moves to Lichfield and by the 2nd quarter of 1820, they are at Hull until leaving for Dublin in the spring of 1821. Here I was delighted to find out that he certainly could be the father of Ann BOY baptised in October 1821. Joseph was noted as being on furlough from 25 Nov 1820 until 5 Jan 1821. That was a relief because I was beginning to think that he'd had no opportunity to father this child. > > The regiment stayed in Ireland until the spring of 1823 and then left for New Brunswick. Joseph died at Miramichi, NB on 20 May 1826. The casualty return just says that he died. Most likely would be of some illness. I'm thinking that even an accidental death would be noted as such and killed in action would definitely be stated. > > The fiche copy of his enlistment details is difficult to read but says that his term was unlimited. I suppose this is a euphemism for a life sentence. Was it possible for such lifetime soldiers to get a discharge? Perhaps for family reasons, sickness, disability etc. > > Anyway, I just thought I'd let you all know how things had gone. I'm busy reading about all the places where the regiment spent time. > > If anyone is interested seeing any of the images, just let me know off-list. > > Thanks to all, > Irene > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:18:21 +0000 > From: Peter Goodey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 08:53 -0600, Irene Marlborough wrote: >> Was it possible for such lifetime soldiers to get a discharge? > > Unfit for further service would be a typical reason. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:57:25 +0100 > From: Mike flaherty <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Great to watch your progress with Joseph who has captured the imagination (& affection) of many on this list. > Thank you for the update - a good romp! > Best regards > > Sent from my iPad >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOG-UK list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SOG-UK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOG-UK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 21 > ************************************* ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:48:19 -0000 From: "Else Churchill" <[email protected]> Subject: [SOG-UK] GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" News just in from the Identity and Passport Service, the Government Agency which is responsible for the General Register Office, reports that the Advertising Standards Authority has taken action against third party certificate websites Identity and Passport Service has warned people ordering birth, death and marriage certificates not to be fooled into paying more through unofficial websites. The Advertising Standards Authority has now upheld three separate complaints from the Registrar General about third party websites misleading customers into believing that they were ordering from the government?s own website. The authority warned ?UK Official Services?, ?UK GRO Certificates? and ?Vital Certificates? that they were in breach of the Committee of Advertising Practice code and that they must stop appearing or implying that they are the General Register Office. Customers applying for replacement birth certificates can be charged up to ?74.99 for an unofficial ?express? online service. The same express service is ?23.40 via the official IPS certificate ordering website through Directgov www.direct.gov.uk/gro. The standard certificate service is available for even less - ?9.25. Welcoming the news, IPS Chief Executive and Registrar General Sarah Rapson, said: ?The Advertising Standards Authority has sent a very clear message to customers and those companies that mislead them: there is just one official online certificate ordering service for England and Wales. ?It is always quicker, cheaper and safer to deal directly with the General Register Office for certificate orders. ?While other outlets can be found online, there is no reason to pay over the odds and I would urge customers to look at the official site first before ordering anywhere else.? New number for certificate ordering IPS has adopted a 0300 prefix for its GRO certificates enquiry number. The prefix 0300 replaces the 0845 prefix used in the previous number. >From 5 January 2012 IPS stopped publishing the 0845 603 7788 number for members of the public who wish to make an enquiry about, or place an order for, certificates. Customers who previously contacted IPS via the 0845 number are now being asked to use 0300 123 1837. This is a particularly memorable number as civil registration was introduced in England and Wales in the year 1837. 0300 numbers are exclusively reserved for charities and the public sector and for the majority of customers the cost of calling us will be reduced. Calls made to 0300 numbers from landlines and mobile phones are charged to customers at their network provider's national rate and also form part of the inclusive minutes within the customer's call package in the same way as calls to geographical numbers. Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website www.sog.org.uk <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society?s library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:17:41 +0000 From: Jeanne Bunting <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am surprised that Ancestry has not been warned about the exorbitant prices they charge for certificates. Jeanne Bunting nee Attersley Sent from my iPhone4 On 11 Feb 2012, at 14:48, "Else Churchill" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > News just in from the Identity and Passport Service, the Government Agency > which is responsible for the General Register Office, reports that the > Advertising Standards Authority has taken action against third party > certificate websites > > Identity and Passport Service has warned people ordering birth, death and > marriage certificates not to be fooled into paying more through unofficial > websites. > > The Advertising Standards Authority has now upheld three separate complaints > from the Registrar General about third party websites misleading customers > into believing that they were ordering from the government?s own website. > > The authority warned ?UK Official Services?, ?UK GRO Certificates? and > ?Vital Certificates? that they were in breach of the Committee of > Advertising Practice code and that they must stop appearing or implying that > they are the General Register Office. > > Customers applying for replacement birth certificates can be charged up to > ?74.99 for an unofficial ?express? online service. > > The same express service is ?23.40 via the official IPS certificate ordering > website through Directgov > > www.direct.gov.uk/gro. The standard certificate service is available for > even less - ?9.25. > > Welcoming the news, IPS Chief Executive and Registrar General Sarah Rapson, > said: > > ?The Advertising Standards Authority has sent a very clear message to > customers and those companies that mislead them: there is just one official > online certificate ordering service for England and Wales. > > ?It is always quicker, cheaper and safer to deal directly with the General > Register Office for certificate orders. > > ?While other outlets can be found online, there is no reason to pay over the > odds and I would urge customers to look at the official site first before > ordering anywhere else.? > > New number for certificate ordering > > IPS has adopted a 0300 prefix for its GRO certificates enquiry number. The > prefix 0300 replaces the 0845 prefix used in the previous number. > >> From 5 January 2012 IPS stopped publishing the 0845 603 7788 number for > members of the public who wish to make an enquiry about, or place an order > for, certificates. Customers who previously contacted IPS via the 0845 > number are now being asked to use 0300 123 1837. This is a particularly > memorable number as civil registration was introduced in England and Wales > in the year 1837. > > 0300 numbers are exclusively reserved for charities and the public sector > and for the majority of customers the cost of calling us will be reduced. > Calls made to 0300 numbers from landlines and mobile phones are charged to > customers at their network provider's national rate and also form part of > the inclusive minutes within the customer's call package in the same way as > calls to geographical numbers. > > > > > > Else Churchill > > Genealogist > > Society of Genealogists > > 14 Charterhouse Buildings > > Goswell Road > > London EC1M 7BA > > direct phone 020 7702 5488 > > visit the Society of Genealogists' Website www.sog.org.uk > <http://www.sog.org.uk/> > > > > www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year > > > > WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? > >> From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our > dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 > > Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm > > The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions > with experts at the Society?s library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. > Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or > library tour. > > > > This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the > addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute > the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. > > If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then > delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. > Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments > that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists > are neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > > Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered > No. 115703. Registered office as above > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:43:23 -0000 From: "A Jones" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "Else Churchill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:48 PM Subject: [SOG-UK] GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number <<News just in ... Identity and Passport Service has warned people ordering birth, death and marriage certificates not to be fooled into paying more through unofficial websites ... The Advertising Standards Authority has now upheld three separate complaints from the Registrar General about third party websites misleading customers into believing that they were ordering from the government's own website.>> Certainly seems welcome news, although at least two of the instances appear to date right back to last November: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-centre/press-releases/unofficial-certific ate-websites ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:28:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Ann L. Wells" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Else, I am the current president of the International Society for British Genealogy and Family History (ISBGFH), headquartered in Westminster, Colorado. I would like permission to reprint this e-mail in our quarterly journal. I think the information is very important to share with others who may not be aware there is an "official" source for vital records.? Thank you in advance, Ann L. Wells ISBGFH, President ? Ann L. Wells Wells Research Associates Crystal Lake, IL ? http://wellsresearch.net ? ? ________________________________ From: Else Churchill <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: [SOG-UK] GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:43:04 +0000 From: John Alexander <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:53:08 -0600, you wrote: >Hello All but especially Chris & Blair: > >My hired researcher has concluded his work at TNA and now I have full details of the military career of Joseph BOY / BYE / BUY. There's nothing that Chris didn't already find but now I have photos of the documents which allows me to glean a few extra details. Have you come across this book The history of Lord Seaton's regiment (the 52nd light infantry) at the battle of Waterloo; together with various incidents connected with that regiment, not only at Waterloo but also at Paris, in the north of France, and for several years afterwards: to which are added many of the author's reminiscences of his military and clerical careers during a period of more than fifty years. By the Rev. William Leeke. This and several other regimental histories are available from the Internet Archive at www.archive.org Be warned that it I found it too easy to get sidetracked by this amazing collection -- Regards John Alexander ------------------------------ To contact the SOG-UK list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the SOG-UK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SOG-UK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 22 *************************************