Looking through the Bedfordshire baptisms unfortunately I have seen early periods where the mother's name is not included despite her being the person to actually give birth. And I've also seen early marriages which don't give the bride's name, being a big full stop to family research! From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bush" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Meaning of Alias on Baptism? >I agree with Andrew that, as recorded in the register, the alias can only >be > Thomas Bate's. However, there are some interesting features of this entry. > > 1. I have never seen a baptism with the mother's name omitted - unless the > child was a foundling. Are there other entries with the mother's name > missing in the same period? If it has been done deliberately, why? > > 2. Presumably you have already tried to establish whether or not it was > actually Thomas's own parents who "jumped the gun"? Because if so and if > his > mother's maiden name was Gibbons, that would in my opinion, resolve the > matter . > > 3. Undoubtedly trivial, and of no significance whatsoever, but Decimo and > Sexto do not seem to be Latin. I think they are Italian words and if the > writer was intending "sixteenth", the correct form would be sextodecimo, > but > don't quote me on that. > > George > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Adrian Bruce > Date: 04/09/12 12:10:57 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SOG-UK] Meaning of Alias on Baptism? > > On 16 January 1718/19, the parish register for Acton, Cheshire, records > the > baptism of Maria in these terms: > > Maria fil: Thomae Bate alias Gibbons de Hurleston Decimo Sexto Jan: 16 > > Which I reckon translates to: > Maria, daughter of Thomas Bate alias Gibbons, of Hurleston, 16 January > [1718/19] (my punctuation). > > So my question is - to whom does that "alias" belong?? Anyone familiar > with > similar wording who can say? > > My first inclination is that it's Thomas Bate who has an alias of Thomas > Gibbons. However, on 15 June 1719, there's a marriage at Acton of Thomas > Bate to Rachel Gibbons, which seems to suggest a distinct possibility that > Thomas and Rachel have jumped the gun (there's a similar baptism to Thomas > in 1713). But no sign of "illegitimus" or whatever the real Church Latin > is... > > It may not be possible to decide but has anyone certain knowledge of the > meaning of such a form elsewhere? Thanks > > Adrian Bruce > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4924 - Release Date: 04/09/12 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message