Geoff: At 01:15 +0100 22/5/06, Geoff Riggs wrote: >The custom in Scotland that Sheila refers to also prevailed in Wales until >the 1960s. I can confirm this, and am talking about Cardiff, not some small rural parish. cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, University of Newcastle, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/~brian.randell/