Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National Biography CRA 1363. Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. With thanks, Edna ~ Ottawa ekbrit@rogers.com

I've managed to access this Dictionary free online at http://www.ancestry.co.uk in the past but I see it is now available to view on a subscription basis elsewhere. Unfortunately I can't currently access the UK Ancestry website at the moment as it is painfully slow. Looking at the reference CRA 1363, I'm guessing that the entry isn't for TCJ Worth but TCJ Worth is mentioned in someone elses entry whose surname begins with CRA. Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales > Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ > > Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 > T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National Biography CRA 1363. > > Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. > > With thanks, > > Edna ~ Ottawa > ekbrit@rogers.com > > >

Hi Alison -- Thank you for replying. I think the CRA is for the name CRAIGIE, must be the author of the piece. There is a possibility that this TCJ (Thomas Clavering J., most probably for John) WORTH may be a son of my Great-grandfather John Charles Worth (b. 1830). The name Clavering has been used in my family as a second name. With appreciation, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Ruxton" <alison.ruxton@btinternet.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ekbrit@rogers.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales I've managed to access this Dictionary free online at http://www.ancestry.co.uk in the past but I see it is now available to view on a subscription basis elsewhere. Unfortunately I can't currently access the UK Ancestry website at the moment as it is painfully slow. Looking at the reference CRA 1363, I'm guessing that the entry isn't for TCJ Worth but TCJ Worth is mentioned in someone elses entry whose surname begins with CRA. Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales > Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ > > Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 > T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National Biography CRA 1363. > > Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. > > With thanks, > > Edna ~ Ottawa > ekbrit@rogers.com > > >

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:37:44 -0400, "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> wrote: > Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ > > Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 > T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National Biography CRA 1363. > >Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. I had hoped that someone else would have solved this problem by now. As this has not happened I have decoded the above and looked at two sources available to me at home: A. My Compact (12 pages reduced in size to fit on one page) paper edition of the (Old) DNB: 1. 'Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22' very likely refers to Ancestry's online version of the DNB, since they do not seem to have volume 21 online . . . 2. 'Chamber - Craigie' refers to a particular original printed volume, where the first biography is for a surname 'Chamber' and the last biography surname is 'Craigie' 3. 'CRA 1363' refers to a biography surname starting with 'Cra' and the original volume page number in this volume is: 1363. Now the bad news: On page 1363 there are three biographies: - Walter Cradock (1606? - 1659) - Zachary Cradock (1633 - 1695) - William H Craft (d.1805) I have reads the page through several times and there is no surname WORTH. However, in the Walter Cradock biography there is mention of the Rev William WROTH, pastor of the congregational church at Llanvaches, Monmouthshire in the 17th century . . . B. Then I used Ancestry.co.uk to which I subscribe. 1. I searched the: 'Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22' for WORTH, but there were thousands, since Ancestry does a word search of all the volumes based on optical character readings (OCR). TCJ (or T C J) WORTH did not find that page number either, but searching on: 'WORTH 1363' did! Ancestry uses a very crude search mechanism when more than one word is used in such a search: if each of the words (or initials) are found ANYWHERE on a page then that page counts as a 'hit' . . . As I have previously said, there is no WORTH on the page but there is WROTH ! Because the hit words are not highlighted in the result , there is no knowing whether the OCR interpretation of another word on the page was 'worth'. 2. The Ancestry 'hit' reference was the following: Title, Chapter, Section, Page Chamber - Craigie, Dictionary of National Biography, CRA, 1363 The best way to search the old DNB is from the CD-ROM version or the official online site for the new DNB, which includes all the old DNB biographies, most of which have been updated. I believe the New DNB has not yet been issued on CD-ROM. It is possible to carry out either single word or phrase searches on the complete text (that takes up 100,000 pages in the new DNB print edition). Cheers, John John Addis-Smith Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, England