And, at the end of the day, the only true line is the female line!! Best, Yvonne > > I suspect that the mother simply made false statements to the registrar > but would like to know if that were possible. When i first started doing genealogy, I was advised by an older and wiser genealogist that "they all tell lies - and many of them tell lies about /telling/ lies". So true! My paternal grandfather William AINSLEY married twice, and on each occasion gave his father's name as Reginald William AINSLEY - except that he knew damn well that it was Reginald William ATKINSON.... because his mother Alice AINSLEY was in RW's keeping for a number of years before she was ousted by a later mistress and had an illegitimate daughter by someone else... (unless he had 2 mistresses pregnant at the same time of course). It was clearly far more acceptable to lie to Congregation and State than admit one was a bastard! At least my maternal grandmother was more honest in a way, since she put her adoptive father down as her father (I think he was probably her step-grandfather). Mind you, she was a 2nd generation bastard, and that /was/ a family secret - I only learned of that as a deathbed confession! They ALL tell lies.... hugh<<