Thank you Gerry and Carole - you make some good points which I will certainly check out. Much obliged. Theresa This company (No. 539065) is registered in England and limited by guarantee. Registered office is at the above address. Please Note: All quoted prices exclude VAT and are valid for 30 days unless otherwise stated. All payments are due within 30 days of the date of invoice. This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sog-uk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 07 July 2014 12:59 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 88 Today's Topics: 1. NHS Numbers (jjgduffus@gmail.com) 2. Re: NHS Numbers (Tony Coombe) 3. Re: NHS Numbers (Merryl Wells) 4. Re: SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 87 (new query) (Theresa Green) 5. Re: SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 87 (new query) (Carole Eales) 6. Unique identifying number (jjgduffus@gmail.com) 7. Re: SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 87 (new query) (Gerald Newnham (Gmail)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 08:21:48 +0100 From: jjgduffus@gmail.com Subject: [SOG-UK] NHS Numbers To: sog list <sog-uk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <20140707072148.5849233.90853.2474@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ?Dear All I was. Just wondering if there is a wealth of hidden info in these numbers that we literally carry through life. Is there any good guide to their decoding Julian Duffus Sog member 1978 to present Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 10:33:09 +0100 From: Tony Coombe <tony_coombe@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] NHS Numbers To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <53BA6955.3050906@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Julian The simple answer is no. Originally the NHS number was the war time National Registration Number which had numerous forms and mixtures of letters and numbers and occasionally forward slashes, which sometimes showed family relationships, and were sometimes not unique. These were replaced in the 1990s with a ten digit number that is supposedly unique and is now issued at birth registration. This includes a check digit to ensure validity of the whole number. There is no "hidden" information that can be extracted from the number itself. It is no more than a unique identifier. Tony Coombe Retired GP On 07/07/2014 08:21, jjgduffus@gmail.com wrote: > ?Dear All > > I was. Just wondering if there is a wealth of hidden info in these numbers > that we literally carry through life. > > Is there any good guide to their decoding > > Julian Duffus > > Sog member 1978 to present > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:48:29 +0100 From: "Merryl Wells" <merryl.wells@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] NHS Numbers To: <sog-uk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <717CB995310C4E0F88C1091AFB55B7CB@merryl1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Hi, I was born 1944 and given a NHS number that reflected the year or date on which I was born so was easy for me to remember. However at some point it was changed, can't remember exactly when but after I left school, so don't think now it would be of any use for family research purposes. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jjgduffus@gmail.com> To: "sog list" <sog-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: [SOG-UK] NHS Numbers > > ?Dear All > > I was. Just wondering if there is a wealth of hidden info in these > numbers > that we literally carry through life. > > Is there any good guide to their decoding > > Julian Duffus > > Sog member 1978 to present > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:15:22 +0000 From: Theresa Green <t.green@britglass.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 87 (new query) To: "sog-uk@rootsweb.com" <sog-uk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <539E4B1DFA57C84D98F67C65DD406DC10109BDB9@BGSERVER.glass.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi I've come across an anomaly with regard to the death of an ancestor and wonder if anyone might have a theory as to solving my problem please? My ancestor, George Watson, was buried in Howff Cemetery, Dundee in April 1847. I have a picture of his gravestone and can confirm it is he from several other inscriptions on the tombstone. However, his burial record on Scotland's People (which shows the original record and is not a transcript) says he died in April 1848! I've asked SP if they can check this, but all they did was to look at the previous and following page, which also says 1848. As far as I'm aware, we are not related to Lazarus (though I haven't gone that far back yet)! I'm really puzzled by this but can't imagine the family would not have noticed such an error when the headstone was put up - or equally that the original record is wrong - am I going mad or can anyone think of an explanation please? Can anyone tell me what I might find if I order the "Extract" from SP please? (apparently, there is a 20 day delay due to backlogs, but I'm not sure what it would tell me). Much obliged fellow hunters. Thank you Theresa This company (No. 539065) is registered in England and limited by guarantee. Registered office is at the above address. Please Note: All quoted prices exclude VAT and are valid for 30 days unless otherwise stated. All payments are due within 30 days of the date of invoice. This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. 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Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:33:00 +0100 From: "Carole Eales" <carole.eales@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 87 (new query) To: <sog-uk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <NDENLMAGAOHGCFEEMHLEAEDHHGAA.carole.eales@talktalk.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Theresa If the headstone was erected some time after the funeral, it is not uncommon for the relatives to get the date wrong.... if for example, his spouse outlived him for some years and then the family had the stone engraved when she died, it is perfectly possible for them to forget the year... folk tend to remember the day and month far more easily than the year.... time flies ?! The official records are most likely to be correct.... have you checked the cemetery burial registers, rather than Civil Registration ??... the Superintendent at the cemetery might be willing to consult their register for you, since it is such a minor search... Carole -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Theresa Green Sent: 07 July 2014 12:15 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 87 (new query) Hi I've come across an anomaly with regard to the death of an ancestor and wonder if anyone might have a theory as to solving my problem please? My ancestor, George Watson, was buried in Howff Cemetery, Dundee in April 1847. I have a picture of his gravestone and can confirm it is he from several other inscriptions on the tombstone. However, his burial record on Scotland's People (which shows the original record and is not a transcript) says he died in April 1848! I've asked SP if they can check this, but all they did was to look at the previous and following page, which also says 1848. As far as I'm aware, we are not related to Lazarus (though I haven't gone that far back yet)! I'm really puzzled by this but can't imagine the family would not have noticed such an error when the headstone was put up - or equally that the original record is wrong - am I going mad or can anyone think of an explanation please? Can anyone tell me what I might find if I order the "Extract" from SP please? (apparently, there is a 20 day delay due to backlogs, but I'm not sure what it would tell me). Much obliged fellow hunters. Thank you Theresa This company (No. 539065) is registered in England and limited by guarantee. Registered office is at the above address. Please Note: All quoted prices exclude VAT and are valid for 30 days unless otherwise stated. All payments are due within 30 days of the date of invoice. This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:55:35 +0100 From: jjgduffus@gmail.com Subject: [SOG-UK] Unique identifying number To: sog list <sog-uk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <20140707115535.5849233.70725.2483@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear All I have always thought it sensible for a number to be issued at Birth And used throughout life. It could be an school number, library number, NI number indeed any interactions with the powers at b would be via the number. Helpfully the banks and credit cards companies could use it as well Ideally it would be implanted via chip and checked by hand held reader If linked to a GPS system lost children and vulnerable adults could be tracked and traced School truancy would be a thing of the past Offender management would be greatly enhanced. Many European visitors arrival on our shores without having to bother and pay for a passport merely showing their national I'd cards. We could save the trouble of carrying any documentation with a chipped ID number Local authorities could have an up to date snapshot shoot off their populations for planning of schools and health provision. Julian Duffus Sog member 1978 to present Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:59:09 +0100 From: "Gerald Newnham (Gmail)" <gerrynuk@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 87 (new query) To: "Sog-Uk@Rootsweb.Com" <sog-uk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CC220073-CFCB-4B21-8C89-DD9E94AC8B27@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What about checking an independent source such as the local newspaper for an obituary or death notice? Gerry gerrynuk@gmail.com On 7 Jul 2014, at 12:15, Theresa Green <t.green@britglass.co.uk> wrote: > Hi > > I've come across an anomaly with regard to the death of an ancestor and wonder if anyone might have a theory as to solving my problem please? > > My ancestor, George Watson, was buried in Howff Cemetery, Dundee in April 1847. I have a picture of his gravestone and can confirm it is he from several other inscriptions on the tombstone. However, his burial record on Scotland's People (which shows the original record and is not a transcript) says he died in April 1848! I've asked SP if they can check this, but all they did was to look at the previous and following page, which also says 1848. As far as I'm aware, we are not related to Lazarus (though I haven't gone that far back yet)! I'm really puzzled by this but can't imagine the family would not have noticed such an error when the headstone was put up - or equally that the original record is wrong - am I going mad or can anyone think of an explanation please? Can anyone tell me what I might find if I order the "Extract" from SP please? (apparently, there is a 20 day delay due to backlogs, but I'm not sure what it would tell me). > > Much obliged fellow hunters. > Thank you > Theresa > > > > This company (No. 539065) is registered in England and limited by guarantee. > Registered office is at the above address. > > > > Please Note: All quoted prices exclude VAT and are valid for 30 days unless otherwise stated. All payments are due within 30 days of the date of invoice. > > This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. 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