Hi - I've just completed an exam "module" looking at Dutch ancestry, and have copied you the relevant bits here: Hope you have some luck. Theresa Tracing Dutch Ancestry Dutch records are very thorough. Many images from the 1700s and 1800s are available freely online. The usual source for the indexes were Genlias, however, from 1 January 2013, this website was closed down and the contents of the site transferred to a new website https://www.wiewaswie.nl/ As with Genlias, the name of the archive, the record number and page are given which can be used to request an actual record if it has not been scanned. A Genlias index of information can be used to browse and locate the images on www.familysearch.org A marriage record has the date of the marriage, the birth names of the bride and groom and the full names of both sets of parents. Marriage records may also provide the dates and places of birth for the couple and if this is a second (or more) marriage for either person, the name of the earlier spouse(s) will be given. The number of children born to the couple prior to marriage will be mentioned. These records are the most useful because they include information on up to six people. Birth records include any stillborn children. The majority of birth records available are actually the death records of children. If the couple is not married at the time of a child's birth, the child took the surname of the mother. Once this name was recorded officially, it did not change even if the parents were later married. Death records include the birth name of the "partner," however, beware - this person is not necessarily the spouse of the deceased. The names of previously deceased partners, the age, place of birth and place of death of the deceased are listed as well. These records usually list the names of the deceased person's parents, making them very useful for tracing a genealogical line. Dutch names are notoriously spelled incorrectly on United States census records. The combination of the unfamiliar pronunciation and the fact that many census-takers were poorly educated according to today's standards, created some very strange phonetic spellings of Dutch names. Even headstones were not exempt. In addition, passenger lists are difficult for Americans to read because the European style of writing is unfamiliar. To find these names, you may have to think phonetically. A good idea is to try writing the name several times the way it might be pronounced. This technique will provide clues as to how the name might have been spelled. Dutch naming conventions were fairly standard in earlier generations. The first four children's names provide clues as to the names of their grandparents. There might be a slight variation in the spelling of the name and they may appear out of order due to a child's death, but the following naming convention was followed almost universally: First son was named after his father's father First daughter was named for her mother's mother Second son was named for his mother's father Second daughter was named for her father's mother Dutch Family History Resources * Cyndi's List - Netherlands/Nederland - www.cyndislist.com/netherlands * Genlias in English - replaced by: https://www.wiewaswie.nl/ * Streekarchivariaat/Noordwest-Veluwe (Gelderland) http://www.streekarchivariaat.nl/nl/ * Central Bureau for Genealogy (& National Archives) http://www.cbg.nl/index.php/308/visiting+us?id=308 * New Netherlands (New York) Vital Records http://www.americanancestors.org/uploadedFiles/American_Ancestors/Content/Promotions/Publication_Promotions/focus_new_netherland.pdf * Online Begraafplaatsen (Cemeteries): * http://www.online-begraafplaatsen.nl/ * FORVO - language guide: http://www.forvo.com/languages/nl/ ----------------------------- This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. 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Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. ----------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sog-uk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 22 January 2014 08:01 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 6 Today's Topics: 1. Am looking for a Dutch Or German Divorce 1922-1939 any suggestions (jjgduffus@gmail.com) 2. Re: Am looking for a Dutch Or German Divorce 1922-1939 any suggestions (Peter at LostCousins) 3. Passport photos (Denis McElhinney) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:14:15 +0000 From: jjgduffus@gmail.com Subject: [SOG-UK] Am looking for a Dutch Or German Divorce 1922-1939 any suggestions To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20140121121415.5558417.17424.86@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Fellow listmembers My Great Aunt Vida Helen Von Pischof got divorced from her husband Otto Von Pischof at some time between the wars. During this time they lived in Netherlands and Germany. Has anyone any expierence of this type of search? Wonderful if they could offer a pointer or two Many thanks Julian Duffus Sog Member 1979 to Present Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:08:41 -0000 From: "Peter at LostCousins" <peter@lostcousins.com> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Am looking for a Dutch Or German Divorce 1922-1939 any suggestions To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <52DE7159.12229.149D484@peter.lostcousins.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII It might be worth trying this free site which has Netherlands newspapers from 1618-1995: http://kranten.delpher.nl/ Also, this site has taken over from Genlias.nl https://www.wiewaswie.nl/ Hope this helps - how's your Dutch? Peter > My Great Aunt Vida Helen Von Pischof got divorced from her husband > Otto Von Pischof at some time between the wars. During this time > they lived in Netherlands and Germany. > > Has anyone any expierence of this type of search? Wonderful if they > could offer a pointer or two > > Many thanks > > Julian Duffus > > Sog Member 1979 to Present > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:29:29 +0000 From: Denis McElhinney <denis54uk@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: [SOG-UK] Passport photos To: SOG-UK@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP91A26188D3A50C47EE611F8A40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My father had two uncles who emigrated to Africa in 1921 to work on the railways. Within 15 years both had died there of Malaria. I have details of the passports issued to them in London before the journey and I have a variety of documents from Northern Rhodesia including their death certificates. Does anyone know whether the Passport Office would have copies of their passport photos and if so whether I could apply for these? Thanks Denis ------------------------------ To contact the SOG-UK list administrator, send an email to SOG-UK-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SOG-UK mailing list, send an email to SOG-UK@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 6 ************************************