This might seem obscure but it would probably be best to contact the National Archive as the image of the census might be copyrighted (and then licenced) If I have an antique chair at home and take a photograph of it - I own the copyright to the image (in this case a photograph) of the chair. And what we download are images of one original (which was never printed an published) -----Original Message----- From: Keith Atkinson Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:32 PM To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Census pages Copyright The extract from TNA's Crown Copyright statement which appears to relate to Censusses states;- "The standard duration of Crown copyright is for 50 years after the year of publication or for 125 years after creation" It does not say "whichever is the longer/shorter" but in that Censusses are created when taken would imply that Censusses up to 1881 are out of Crown Copyright & 1891 will be in 2 years time. Would it be reasonable to proceed on this basis? Keith Atkinson. Please use kandn.atkinson@gmail.com & delete kandn.atkinson@tiscali.co.uk On 30 January 2014 19:14, Karen Francis <ranaridibunda@hotmail.com> wrote: > As I am in the process of publishing a family history book (specifically > on my own family, not a generic text) this condition on Ancestry's UK site > was interesting and possibly relevant to the current query also: > > "Online or other republication of Content is prohibited except as unique > data elements that are part of a unique family history or genealogy." > > This comes under the T&A connected to the link posted earlier. This seems > to suggest that individual items are not the problem so much as the > wholesale copying and reproduction of entire sets or databases. Or am I > reading this incorrectly? > > Regards > Karen Francis > >> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:00:20 +0000 >> From: drageke@ntlworld.com >> To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Census pages Copyright >> >> The following document: >> >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/information-management/copyright-related-rights.pdf >> >> determine if copyright still exists. Crown copyright does expire, and >> section 12 of this document provides a flow diagram for determining it. >> Based on that, I am not convinced that crown copyright still exists in >> many of the censuses. >> >> Part of this depends on the term "publication" and its interpretation in >> regard to these documents - see section 3. >> >> Note also however you are dealing with three things here, not one, all >> of which you need to assess. >> >> 1) Copyright, which can expire >> 2) Any contract you have made with the provider of the information. >> (For example Ancestry does not own copyright on the images it provides, >> but you may have made a contract with Ancestry that constrains how you >> use the information you obtain from them). >> 3) Privacy. My understanding is that this only applies if it relates >> to a living individual, which would therefore not apply to the majority >> of census records. I would suggest you reassess this however if you do >> find out that an individual is still alive. >> >> regards >> >> Keith Drage >> >> On 30/01/2014 17:45, Peter Goodey wrote: >> > On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 14:08 +0000, Keith Atkinson wrote: >> >> We are a not-for-profit Local Amenity Society compiling an online >> >> Directory of historic buildings in our area. We would like to upload >> >> or link the relevant census pages onto our site to show the >> >> occupants/occupations etc of these buildings over the decades The >> >> easiest way is to use the TNA Census pages. These are presumably >> >> copyrighted but of course widely available online and at TNA. >> > This page may help. >> > >> > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/information-management/our-services/crown-copyright.htm >> > >> > "You may quote or transcribe from Crown copyright documents freely and >> > without formal permission. However you must give the document reference >> > number and acknowledge The National Archives as custodian of the >> > document. >> > >> > If you wish to publish an image of a document held at The National >> > Archives (including readers' own photographs of records) then you >> > should >> > contact the Image Library for further advice" >> > >> > If you want to display images downloaded from a commercial company, >> > there may be other copyright issues which you'll have to explore. >> > >> > I suspect that transcriptions would have to be your own original >> > transcriptions and not copied from Ancestry or FMP etc. >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message