As I am in the process of publishing a family history book (specifically on my own family, not a generic text) this condition on Ancestry's UK site was interesting and possibly relevant to the current query also: "Online or other republication of Content is prohibited except as unique data elements that are part of a unique family history or genealogy." This comes under the T&A connected to the link posted earlier. This seems to suggest that individual items are not the problem so much as the wholesale copying and reproduction of entire sets or databases. Or am I reading this incorrectly? Regards Karen Francis > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:00:20 +0000 > From: drageke@ntlworld.com > To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Census pages Copyright > > The following document: > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/information-management/copyright-related-rights.pdf > > determine if copyright still exists. Crown copyright does expire, and > section 12 of this document provides a flow diagram for determining it. > Based on that, I am not convinced that crown copyright still exists in > many of the censuses. > > Part of this depends on the term "publication" and its interpretation in > regard to these documents - see section 3. > > Note also however you are dealing with three things here, not one, all > of which you need to assess. > > 1) Copyright, which can expire > 2) Any contract you have made with the provider of the information. > (For example Ancestry does not own copyright on the images it provides, > but you may have made a contract with Ancestry that constrains how you > use the information you obtain from them). > 3) Privacy. My understanding is that this only applies if it relates > to a living individual, which would therefore not apply to the majority > of census records. I would suggest you reassess this however if you do > find out that an individual is still alive. > > regards > > Keith Drage > > On 30/01/2014 17:45, Peter Goodey wrote: > > On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 14:08 +0000, Keith Atkinson wrote: > >> We are a not-for-profit Local Amenity Society compiling an online > >> Directory of historic buildings in our area. We would like to upload > >> or link the relevant census pages onto our site to show the > >> occupants/occupations etc of these buildings over the decades The > >> easiest way is to use the TNA Census pages. These are presumably > >> copyrighted but of course widely available online and at TNA. > > This page may help. > > > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/information-management/our-services/crown-copyright.htm > > > > "You may quote or transcribe from Crown copyright documents freely and > > without formal permission. However you must give the document reference > > number and acknowledge The National Archives as custodian of the > > document. > > > > If you wish to publish an image of a document held at The National > > Archives (including readers' own photographs of records) then you should > > contact the Image Library for further advice" > > > > If you want to display images downloaded from a commercial company, > > there may be other copyright issues which you'll have to explore. > > > > I suspect that transcriptions would have to be your own original > > transcriptions and not copied from Ancestry or FMP etc. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The extract from TNA's Crown Copyright statement which appears to relate to Censusses states;- "The standard duration of Crown copyright is for 50 years after the year of publication or for 125 years after creation" It does not say "whichever is the longer/shorter" but in that Censusses are created when taken would imply that Censusses up to 1881 are out of Crown Copyright & 1891 will be in 2 years time. Would it be reasonable to proceed on this basis? Keith Atkinson. Please use kandn.atkinson@gmail.com & delete kandn.atkinson@tiscali.co.uk On 30 January 2014 19:14, Karen Francis <ranaridibunda@hotmail.com> wrote: > As I am in the process of publishing a family history book (specifically on my own family, not a generic text) this condition on Ancestry's UK site was interesting and possibly relevant to the current query also: > > "Online or other republication of Content is prohibited except as unique data elements that are part of a unique family history or genealogy." > > This comes under the T&A connected to the link posted earlier. This seems to suggest that individual items are not the problem so much as the wholesale copying and reproduction of entire sets or databases. Or am I reading this incorrectly? > > Regards > Karen Francis > >> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:00:20 +0000 >> From: drageke@ntlworld.com >> To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Census pages Copyright >> >> The following document: >> >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/information-management/copyright-related-rights.pdf >> >> determine if copyright still exists. Crown copyright does expire, and >> section 12 of this document provides a flow diagram for determining it. >> Based on that, I am not convinced that crown copyright still exists in >> many of the censuses. >> >> Part of this depends on the term "publication" and its interpretation in >> regard to these documents - see section 3. >> >> Note also however you are dealing with three things here, not one, all >> of which you need to assess. >> >> 1) Copyright, which can expire >> 2) Any contract you have made with the provider of the information. >> (For example Ancestry does not own copyright on the images it provides, >> but you may have made a contract with Ancestry that constrains how you >> use the information you obtain from them). >> 3) Privacy. My understanding is that this only applies if it relates >> to a living individual, which would therefore not apply to the majority >> of census records. I would suggest you reassess this however if you do >> find out that an individual is still alive. >> >> regards >> >> Keith Drage >> >> On 30/01/2014 17:45, Peter Goodey wrote: >> > On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 14:08 +0000, Keith Atkinson wrote: >> >> We are a not-for-profit Local Amenity Society compiling an online >> >> Directory of historic buildings in our area. We would like to upload >> >> or link the relevant census pages onto our site to show the >> >> occupants/occupations etc of these buildings over the decades The >> >> easiest way is to use the TNA Census pages. These are presumably >> >> copyrighted but of course widely available online and at TNA. >> > This page may help. >> > >> > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/information-management/our-services/crown-copyright.htm >> > >> > "You may quote or transcribe from Crown copyright documents freely and >> > without formal permission. However you must give the document reference >> > number and acknowledge The National Archives as custodian of the >> > document. >> > >> > If you wish to publish an image of a document held at The National >> > Archives (including readers' own photographs of records) then you should >> > contact the Image Library for further advice" >> > >> > If you want to display images downloaded from a commercial company, >> > there may be other copyright issues which you'll have to explore. >> > >> > I suspect that transcriptions would have to be your own original >> > transcriptions and not copied from Ancestry or FMP etc. >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message