<<snipped>> Today when I clicked on the <Export Results> button a dotted line formed around the button but nothing more happened. Is it me or my system, or is there a problem with FamilySearch? <<snipped>> Chrome and Firefox fail similarly for me but IE works! Adrian B

My point was that it worked for me until this weekend, but not yesterday. Has the facility to save as a spreadsheet (1) been withdrawn altogether (2) been suspended (3) run into a temporary blip? Saving spreadsheets was quite useful, especially in large files (for one-namers and one-placers) Regards, Colin Mills On 25/03/2014 22:48, David Beakhust wrote: > Revise that. The export button appears only if you are viewing batch > results, not search results. It does not work for me either. > Also tried on a tablet, and there the button animation is fine, but no > download. Click the button and a balloon appears "export to xls"; tap that > and it goes, but no file. > Dave Beakhust > > > > > On 25 March 2014 22:13:07 David Beakhust <dave@beakhust.com> wrote: > >> I don't see any export results button (never have), only copy or print. >> Can you specify how exactly to repeat the issue, as i might be looking at >> the wrong kind of result. >> Outwit hub may be an answer. >> >> Dave Beakhust >> >> >> >> >> On 25 March 2014 21:30:34 Colin Mills <colinmills@phonecoop.coop> wrote: >> >>> I have over the last few weeks searched FamilySearch on a few parishes >>> an by clicking on the <Export Results> button been able to download the >>> results as a series of Excel spreadsheets whIich I have been able to >>> knock into shape and save as a dBase III file. >>> >>> Today when I clicked on the <Export Results> button a dotted line formed >>> around the button but nothing more happened. Is it me or my system, or >>> is there a problem with FamilySearch? >>> >>> Regards, Colin Mills >>> >>> --- >>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

My point was that it worked for me until this weekend, but not yesterday. Has the facility to save as a spreadsheet (1) been withdrawn altogether (2) been suspended (3) run into a temporary blip? Saving spreadsheets was quite useful, especially in large files (for one-namers and one-placers) Regards, Colin Mills On 25/03/2014 22:48, David Beakhust wrote: > Revise that. The export button appears only if you are viewing batch > results, not search results. It does not work for me either. > Also tried on a tablet, and there the button animation is fine, but no > download. Click the button and a balloon appears "export to xls"; tap that > and it goes, but no file. > Dave Beakhust > > > > > On 25 March 2014 22:13:07 David Beakhust <dave@beakhust.com> wrote: > >> I don't see any export results button (never have), only copy or print. >> Can you specify how exactly to repeat the issue, as i might be looking at >> the wrong kind of result. >> Outwit hub may be an answer. >> >> Dave Beakhust >> >> >> >> >> On 25 March 2014 21:30:34 Colin Mills <colinmills@phonecoop.coop> wrote: >> >>> I have over the last few weeks searched FamilySearch on a few parishes >>> an by clicking on the <Export Results> button been able to download the >>> results as a series of Excel spreadsheets whIich I have been able to >>> knock into shape and save as a dBase III file. >>> >>> Today when I clicked on the <Export Results> button a dotted line formed >>> around the button but nothing more happened. Is it me or my system, or >>> is there a problem with FamilySearch? >>> >>> Regards, Colin Mills >>> >>> --- >>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Revise that. The export button appears only if you are viewing batch results, not search results. It does not work for me either. Also tried on a tablet, and there the button animation is fine, but no download. Click the button and a balloon appears "export to xls"; tap that and it goes, but no file. Dave Beakhust On 25 March 2014 22:13:07 David Beakhust <dave@beakhust.com> wrote: > I don't see any export results button (never have), only copy or print. > Can you specify how exactly to repeat the issue, as i might be looking at > the wrong kind of result. > Outwit hub may be an answer. > > Dave Beakhust > > > > > On 25 March 2014 21:30:34 Colin Mills <colinmills@phonecoop.coop> wrote: > > > I have over the last few weeks searched FamilySearch on a few parishes > > an by clicking on the <Export Results> button been able to download the > > results as a series of Excel spreadsheets whIich I have been able to > > knock into shape and save as a dBase III file. > > > > Today when I clicked on the <Export Results> button a dotted line formed > > around the button but nothing more happened. Is it me or my system, or > > is there a problem with FamilySearch? > > > > Regards, Colin Mills > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't see any export results button (never have), only copy or print. Can you specify how exactly to repeat the issue, as i might be looking at the wrong kind of result. Outwit hub may be an answer. Dave Beakhust On 25 March 2014 21:30:34 Colin Mills <colinmills@phonecoop.coop> wrote: > I have over the last few weeks searched FamilySearch on a few parishes > an by clicking on the <Export Results> button been able to download the > results as a series of Excel spreadsheets whIich I have been able to > knock into shape and save as a dBase III file. > > Today when I clicked on the <Export Results> button a dotted line formed > around the button but nothing more happened. Is it me or my system, or > is there a problem with FamilySearch? > > Regards, Colin Mills > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have over the last few weeks searched FamilySearch on a few parishes an by clicking on the <Export Results> button been able to download the results as a series of Excel spreadsheets whIich I have been able to knock into shape and save as a dBase III file. Today when I clicked on the <Export Results> button a dotted line formed around the button but nothing more happened. Is it me or my system, or is there a problem with FamilySearch? Regards, Colin Mills --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Among the donors to the "English and American Church" in Berne in 1893 was "R.V. Boyle, Esqre, A.S.T.". Has anyone any idea what the abbreviation stood for? (He was a generous donor - giving five times as much as the American Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary (though only a quarter of what the British minister gave!)). Hector Davie

Indeed they are a commercial organisation & if people vote with their feet then they might take note. I took out a subscription (ie a contract) to be able to view their datasets and now it is much harder to do so, so they are not providing the service that I signed up for. Since it's more like ancestry in it's search methods now, I'm not sure it's worth paying for two such similar things. However I had a reply from Paul Dunlop and am hopeful that they are listening and will make access to the individual datasets easier again. Pat On 22 March 2014 23:18, Tom Perrett <tomp@st.net.au> wrote: > Remember that they are a commerical organisation and would not change it > unless there was > some benefit it them. > > Tom > > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:09:36 +0000, P A Wallbank wrote: > > >Yes I certainly am very frustrated by the new FMP. I commented on their > >site via their Feedback forum & was emailed by a Paul Dunlop who asked me > >what aspects of the new site fall short. Anyway I said much the same as > >you David, but not as comprehensively. Perhaps if we all comment this way, > >maybe they will start to listen? > > > >I cannot understand why they feel the need to change something that is so > >good. > > > >Patricia Wallbank > > > > > > > >On 20 March 2014 16:12, David Wharton <david@wharton21.freeserve.co.uk > >wrote: > > > >> Is anybody else frustrated by the new "improved" Find My Past website > and > >> searches? > >> > >> For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by > >> Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by place > of > >> birth. The results no longer appear in a table where clicking on certain > >> columns changed the sort to that column [there is a drop-down box called > >> Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. The transcription no longer > >> shows a sensible table with a line for each person showing all the > fields; > >> the other persons appear at the bottom of the page with incomplete > >> information. > >> > >> On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish > >> Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. From > 1837 > >> this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown does not have > the > >> source - you have to click through to see it. It is possible to choose > >> Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious for mobile people > living > >> close to the next county. Again the only option in the drop-down Order > By > >> box is Relevance. It is no longer possible to choose other columns. > >> > >> On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's Maiden > >> Name > >> goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's names go in > the > >> Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any Name Variants option, > >> unlike the previous versions of these searches. > >> > >> On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage or > a > >> range. > >> > >> On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working on > >> them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is very > >> premature and also "user hostile" even if they resolve all these > problems. > >> > >> David Wharton > >> > >> > >> --- > >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > >> protection is active. > >> http://www.avast.com > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I doubt whether our forum will carry any weight! Those responsible at FMP won't be monitoring the SOG forum - they are too busy trying to placate the many contributors to their Facebook page who are either complaining about the new system or the sudden slowness of the old. There are repeated assurances that issues will be sorted out - I hope for your sake they do this before transferring any more subscribers. I am surprised that a commercial organisation releases a new system with so many obvious deficiencies. From the comments seen they have lost a lot of good will and potentially a loss of revenue. Lin -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cathy Roberts Sent: 23 March 2014 12:53 To: SOG-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOG-UK] The new FMP Oh dear, I was really hoping, after reading all this, that I wouldn't get transferred across just yet. In particular, I use census reference searches a lot. This is what they say on the advisory email - I agree it's sensible to give it a go - & perhaps their forum will carry more weight than ours? "To find out more about the changes we have made, visit our Learn More<http://tracking.findmypast.co.uk:80/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTEmbXNpZ D0xJmF1aWQ9Jm1haWxpbmdpZD0xMzYxMCZtZXNzYWdlaWQ9NjQwOCZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTEzOTQ3M TIzMzUmc2VyaWFsPTE2NzgwODQ5JmVtYWlsaWQ9cm9iZXJ0cy5yZXNlYXJjaDM2QGdtYWlsLmNvb SZ1c2VyaWQ9Rk1QVUtJTlQ0MDM1NjQ2ODcmdGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmZsPSZleHRyYT1NdWx0aXZhcmlhd GVJZD0mJiY=&&&2006&&&http://new.findmypast.co.uk/new-findmypast-learn-more>p age. We're on hand to answer any questions you have about the new features. You can post questions and suggestions on the new group forum directly from the website by clicking the light bulb icon in the bottom right hand corner of the page, or email our support team at support@findmypast.co.uk We hope you enjoy your new findmypast experience." Cathy Roberts ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh dear, I was really hoping, after reading all this, that I wouldn't get transferred across just yet. In particular, I use census reference searches a lot. This is what they say on the advisory email - I agree it's sensible to give it a go - & perhaps their forum will carry more weight than ours? "To find out more about the changes we have made, visit our Learn More<http://tracking.findmypast.co.uk:80/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTEmbXNpZD0xJmF1aWQ9Jm1haWxpbmdpZD0xMzYxMCZtZXNzYWdlaWQ9NjQwOCZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTEzOTQ3MTIzMzUmc2VyaWFsPTE2NzgwODQ5JmVtYWlsaWQ9cm9iZXJ0cy5yZXNlYXJjaDM2QGdtYWlsLmNvbSZ1c2VyaWQ9Rk1QVUtJTlQ0MDM1NjQ2ODcmdGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmZsPSZleHRyYT1NdWx0aXZhcmlhdGVJZD0mJiY=&&&2006&&&http://new.findmypast.co.uk/new-findmypast-learn-more>page. We're on hand to answer any questions you have about the new features. You can post questions and suggestions on the new group forum directly from the website by clicking the light bulb icon in the bottom right hand corner of the page, or email our support team at support@findmypast.co.uk We hope you enjoy your new findmypast experience." Cathy Roberts

Remember that they are a commerical organisation and would not change it unless there was some benefit it them. Tom On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:09:36 +0000, P A Wallbank wrote: >Yes I certainly am very frustrated by the new FMP. I commented on their >site via their Feedback forum & was emailed by a Paul Dunlop who asked me >what aspects of the new site fall short. Anyway I said much the same as >you David, but not as comprehensively. Perhaps if we all comment this way, >maybe they will start to listen? > >I cannot understand why they feel the need to change something that is so >good. > >Patricia Wallbank > > > >On 20 March 2014 16:12, David Wharton <david@wharton21.freeserve.co.uk>wrote: > >> Is anybody else frustrated by the new "improved" Find My Past website and >> searches? >> >> For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by >> Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by place of >> birth. The results no longer appear in a table where clicking on certain >> columns changed the sort to that column [there is a drop-down box called >> Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. The transcription no longer >> shows a sensible table with a line for each person showing all the fields; >> the other persons appear at the bottom of the page with incomplete >> information. >> >> On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish >> Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. From 1837 >> this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown does not have the >> source - you have to click through to see it. It is possible to choose >> Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious for mobile people living >> close to the next county. Again the only option in the drop-down Order By >> box is Relevance. It is no longer possible to choose other columns. >> >> On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's Maiden >> Name >> goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's names go in the >> Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any Name Variants option, >> unlike the previous versions of these searches. >> >> On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage or a >> range. >> >> On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working on >> them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is very >> premature and also "user hostile" even if they resolve all these problems. >> >> David Wharton >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is ironic that I have been commenting to FMP for a number of years about the shortcomings in their search facility and I will probably be one of the last to get to try out the new search! Gerry gerrynuk@gmail.com On 22 Mar 2014, at 15:22, Lin & David <lin@boots1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > No search facility is perfect, so you are quite correct in saying the old > FMP search was lacking in some respects. But why introduce a new search > which does not as a minimum include all the facilities of the old. I do > enjoy the ease of using something I am used to and am impatient when I have > to "learn" a system all over again. But if you promote a new system as > being an improvement - this needs to be obvious or more advice provided on > how to undertake the searches. > > Having just looked at the FMP site I now find a "Handy Guide to FMP new > search" published on 21 March. In response to a query there is also a > comment from Paul Dunlop: "The next post will indeed focus on some the > basics of census searching on the new site. Not every single feature from > the old site has made it across yet, but we're working to bring them up to > par as quickly as possible." > > Well - better late than never but I would have appreciated both items of > information with the email telling me that I had access to the new system. > Anyway Gerry, when you do get it and have used it for a week (!) I'd be > interested to know your views. > > Lin Howard > > -----Original Message----- > From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Gerald Newnham (Gmail) > Sent: 22 March 2014 14:09 > To: Sog-Uk@Rootsweb.Com > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] New Find My Past > > I have to say that, as far as I am concerned, the existing (old) FMP search > is sadly lacking in many respects and I can't wait to get my hands on the > new search. I watched the demo at the WDYTYA show and also watched the video > on the FMP web site and it seems to be a great improvement. > > It may be different from what you are used to but that doesn't mean it isn't > any good. My suggestion is - give it a fair chance (at least a week!) before > you damn it. > > Gerry > gerrynuk@gmail.com > > > > > On 22 Mar 2014, at 13:09, P A Wallbank <pawcards5@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes I certainly am very frustrated by the new FMP. I commented on >> their site via their Feedback forum & was emailed by a Paul Dunlop who >> asked me what aspects of the new site fall short. Anyway I said much >> the same as you David, but not as comprehensively. Perhaps if we all >> comment this way, maybe they will start to listen? >> >> I cannot understand why they feel the need to change something that is >> so good. >> >> Patricia Wallbank >> >> >> >> On 20 March 2014 16:12, David Wharton > <david@wharton21.freeserve.co.uk>wrote: >> >>> Is anybody else frustrated by the new "improved" Find My Past website >>> and searches? >>> >>> For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by >>> Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by >>> place of birth. The results no longer appear in a table where >>> clicking on certain columns changed the sort to that column [there is >>> a drop-down box called Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. >>> The transcription no longer shows a sensible table with a line for >>> each person showing all the fields; the other persons appear at the >>> bottom of the page with incomplete information. >>> >>> On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish >>> Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. >>> From 1837 this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown >>> does not have the source - you have to click through to see it. It is >>> possible to choose Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious >>> for mobile people living close to the next county. Again the only >>> option in the drop-down Order By box is Relevance. It is no longer > possible to choose other columns. >>> >>> On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's >>> Maiden Name goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's >>> names go in the Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any >>> Name Variants option, unlike the previous versions of these searches. >>> >>> On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage >>> or a range. >>> >>> On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working >>> on them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is >>> very premature and also "user hostile" even if they resolve all these > problems. >>> >>> David Wharton >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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No search facility is perfect, so you are quite correct in saying the old FMP search was lacking in some respects. But why introduce a new search which does not as a minimum include all the facilities of the old. I do enjoy the ease of using something I am used to and am impatient when I have to "learn" a system all over again. But if you promote a new system as being an improvement - this needs to be obvious or more advice provided on how to undertake the searches. Having just looked at the FMP site I now find a "Handy Guide to FMP new search" published on 21 March. In response to a query there is also a comment from Paul Dunlop: "The next post will indeed focus on some the basics of census searching on the new site. Not every single feature from the old site has made it across yet, but we're working to bring them up to par as quickly as possible." Well - better late than never but I would have appreciated both items of information with the email telling me that I had access to the new system. Anyway Gerry, when you do get it and have used it for a week (!) I'd be interested to know your views. Lin Howard -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Newnham (Gmail) Sent: 22 March 2014 14:09 To: Sog-Uk@Rootsweb.Com Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] New Find My Past I have to say that, as far as I am concerned, the existing (old) FMP search is sadly lacking in many respects and I can't wait to get my hands on the new search. I watched the demo at the WDYTYA show and also watched the video on the FMP web site and it seems to be a great improvement. It may be different from what you are used to but that doesn't mean it isn't any good. My suggestion is - give it a fair chance (at least a week!) before you damn it. Gerry gerrynuk@gmail.com On 22 Mar 2014, at 13:09, P A Wallbank <pawcards5@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes I certainly am very frustrated by the new FMP. I commented on > their site via their Feedback forum & was emailed by a Paul Dunlop who > asked me what aspects of the new site fall short. Anyway I said much > the same as you David, but not as comprehensively. Perhaps if we all > comment this way, maybe they will start to listen? > > I cannot understand why they feel the need to change something that is > so good. > > Patricia Wallbank > > > > On 20 March 2014 16:12, David Wharton <david@wharton21.freeserve.co.uk>wrote: > >> Is anybody else frustrated by the new "improved" Find My Past website >> and searches? >> >> For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by >> Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by >> place of birth. The results no longer appear in a table where >> clicking on certain columns changed the sort to that column [there is >> a drop-down box called Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. >> The transcription no longer shows a sensible table with a line for >> each person showing all the fields; the other persons appear at the >> bottom of the page with incomplete information. >> >> On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish >> Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. >> From 1837 this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown >> does not have the source - you have to click through to see it. It is >> possible to choose Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious >> for mobile people living close to the next county. Again the only >> option in the drop-down Order By box is Relevance. It is no longer possible to choose other columns. >> >> On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's >> Maiden Name goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's >> names go in the Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any >> Name Variants option, unlike the previous versions of these searches. >> >> On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage >> or a range. >> >> On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working >> on them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is >> very premature and also "user hostile" even if they resolve all these problems. >> >> David Wharton >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have to say that, as far as I am concerned, the existing (old) FMP search is sadly lacking in many respects and I can't wait to get my hands on the new search. I watched the demo at the WDYTYA show and also watched the video on the FMP web site and it seems to be a great improvement. It may be different from what you are used to but that doesn't mean it isn't any good. My suggestion is - give it a fair chance (at least a week!) before you damn it. Gerry gerrynuk@gmail.com On 22 Mar 2014, at 13:09, P A Wallbank <pawcards5@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes I certainly am very frustrated by the new FMP. I commented on their > site via their Feedback forum & was emailed by a Paul Dunlop who asked me > what aspects of the new site fall short. Anyway I said much the same as > you David, but not as comprehensively. Perhaps if we all comment this way, > maybe they will start to listen? > > I cannot understand why they feel the need to change something that is so > good. > > Patricia Wallbank > > > > On 20 March 2014 16:12, David Wharton <david@wharton21.freeserve.co.uk>wrote: > >> Is anybody else frustrated by the new "improved" Find My Past website and >> searches? >> >> For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by >> Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by place of >> birth. The results no longer appear in a table where clicking on certain >> columns changed the sort to that column [there is a drop-down box called >> Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. The transcription no longer >> shows a sensible table with a line for each person showing all the fields; >> the other persons appear at the bottom of the page with incomplete >> information. >> >> On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish >> Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. From 1837 >> this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown does not have the >> source - you have to click through to see it. It is possible to choose >> Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious for mobile people living >> close to the next county. Again the only option in the drop-down Order By >> box is Relevance. It is no longer possible to choose other columns. >> >> On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's Maiden >> Name >> goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's names go in the >> Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any Name Variants option, >> unlike the previous versions of these searches. >> >> On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage or a >> range. >> >> On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working on >> them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is very >> premature and also "user hostile" even if they resolve all these problems. >> >> David Wharton >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes I certainly am very frustrated by the new FMP. I commented on their site via their Feedback forum & was emailed by a Paul Dunlop who asked me what aspects of the new site fall short. Anyway I said much the same as you David, but not as comprehensively. Perhaps if we all comment this way, maybe they will start to listen? I cannot understand why they feel the need to change something that is so good. Patricia Wallbank On 20 March 2014 16:12, David Wharton <david@wharton21.freeserve.co.uk>wrote: > Is anybody else frustrated by the new "improved" Find My Past website and > searches? > > For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by > Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by place of > birth. The results no longer appear in a table where clicking on certain > columns changed the sort to that column [there is a drop-down box called > Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. The transcription no longer > shows a sensible table with a line for each person showing all the fields; > the other persons appear at the bottom of the page with incomplete > information. > > On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish > Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. From 1837 > this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown does not have the > source - you have to click through to see it. It is possible to choose > Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious for mobile people living > close to the next county. Again the only option in the drop-down Order By > box is Relevance. It is no longer possible to choose other columns. > > On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's Maiden > Name > goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's names go in the > Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any Name Variants option, > unlike the previous versions of these searches. > > On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage or a > range. > > On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working on > them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is very > premature and also "user hostile" even if they resolve all these problems. > > David Wharton > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too am frustrated. Until your emails I had assumed that all subscribers had been transferred to the new system. My immediate reaction was that they had "thrown the baby out with the bathwater". I suppose there are some advantages, especially for newcomers, in that one search can reveal matches in all censuses, record sets, etc. rather than having to do separate searches. But this does not compensate for losing the variety of ways to search so succinctly described by David Wharton. The first census search I completed had the other members of the household listed below in a muddled order rather than the Head/Wife/Son/Visitor listing you expect and which did not reflect the content of the original image. Whilst this appears to have been a one-off, it did not inspire confidence in the new system. Hopefully I will feel less critical as I become more familiar with the new system, but at the moment I feel fortunate to have completed so much research in the last two years whilst the old FMP existed. Unless they respond well to complaints, I rather doubt I will be renewing my subscription. Lin Howard -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wharton Sent: 20 March 2014 16:13 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOG-UK] New Find My Past Is anybody else frustrated by the new “improved” Find My Past website and searches? For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by place of birth. The results no longer appear in a table where clicking on certain columns changed the sort to that column [there is a drop-down box called Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. The transcription no longer shows a sensible table with a line for each person showing all the fields; the other persons appear at the bottom of the page with incomplete information. On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. From 1837 this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown does not have the source – you have to click through to see it. It is possible to choose Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious for mobile people living close to the next county. Again the only option in the drop-down Order By box is Relevance. It is no longer possible to choose other columns. On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's Maiden Name goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's names go in the Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any Name Variants option, unlike the previous versions of these searches. On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage or a range. On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working on them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is very premature and also “user hostile” even if they resolve all these problems. David Wharton --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Caroline I was switched to the new site yesterday. It is very like the non-UK sites. I am unimpressed [based on 50 years of both genealogy and work on major insurance computer systems]. Good luck in avoiding the new one as long as possible. David -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Gurney Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:52 PM To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] New Find My Past My apologies, David. Having sent my message below I found this information on the FMP website via Google: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/new-version-of-fmp-coming-soon. Obviously the new site has rolled out for you but not for me. I now live in dread of what is to come. Caroline Caroline Gurney | Historical Research Services<http://www.carolinegurney.com> On 20 March 2014 16:42, Caroline Gurney <caroline.gurney@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: David, I don't see the changes you list when I search FindMyPast. For example, I can search Parish Baptisms at: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/parish-records/baptisms?tab=1. I can search births by mother's maiden name at: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/all/births. The spouse name box (with variants) is still available for marriages: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/all/marriages. My results still appear in tables where I can order the data by clicking on the column headings. Are you by any chance using the US site: http://www.findmypast.com*,* which does have a "dumbed down" search function? Caroline Gurney Caroline Gurney | Historical Research Services<http://www.carolinegurney.com> On 20 March 2014 16:12, David Wharton <david@wharton21.freeserve.co.uk>wrote: Is anybody else frustrated by the new "improved" Find My Past website and searches? For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by place of birth. The results no longer appear in a table where clicking on certain columns changed the sort to that column [there is a drop-down box called Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. The transcription no longer shows a sensible table with a line for each person showing all the fields; the other persons appear at the bottom of the page with incomplete information. On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. From 1837 this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown does not have the source - you have to click through to see it. It is possible to choose Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious for mobile people living close to the next county. Again the only option in the drop-down Order By box is Relevance. It is no longer possible to choose other columns. On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's Maiden Name goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's names go in the Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any Name Variants option, unlike the previous versions of these searches. On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage or a range. On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working on them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is very premature and also "user hostile" even if they resolve all these problems. David Wharton --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

My apologies, David. Having sent my message below I found this information on the FMP website via Google: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/new-version-of-fmp-coming-soon. Obviously the new site has rolled out for you but not for me. I now live in dread of what is to come. Caroline Caroline Gurney | Historical Research Services<http://www.carolinegurney.com> On 20 March 2014 16:42, Caroline Gurney <caroline.gurney@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: David, I don't see the changes you list when I search FindMyPast. For example, I can search Parish Baptisms at: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/parish-records/baptisms?tab=1. I can search births by mother's maiden name at: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/all/births. The spouse name box (with variants) is still available for marriages: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/all/marriages. My results still appear in tables where I can order the data by clicking on the column headings. Are you by any chance using the US site: http://www.findmypast.com*,* which does have a "dumbed down" search function? Caroline Gurney Caroline Gurney | Historical Research Services<http://www.carolinegurney.com> On 20 March 2014 16:12, David Wharton <david@wharton21.freeserve.co.uk>wrote: Is anybody else frustrated by the new "improved" Find My Past website and searches? For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by place of birth. The results no longer appear in a table where clicking on certain columns changed the sort to that column [there is a drop-down box called Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. The transcription no longer shows a sensible table with a line for each person showing all the fields; the other persons appear at the bottom of the page with incomplete information. On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. From 1837 this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown does not have the source - you have to click through to see it. It is possible to choose Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious for mobile people living close to the next county. Again the only option in the drop-down Order By box is Relevance. It is no longer possible to choose other columns. On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's Maiden Name goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's names go in the Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any Name Variants option, unlike the previous versions of these searches. On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage or a range. On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working on them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is very premature and also "user hostile" even if they resolve all these problems. David Wharton --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, I don't see the changes you list when I search FindMyPast. For example, I can search Parish Baptisms at: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/parish-records/baptisms?tab=1. I can search births by mother's maiden name at: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/all/births. The spouse name box (with variants) is still available for marriages: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/all/marriages. My results still appear in tables where I can order the data by clicking on the column headings. Are you by any chance using the US site: http://www.findmypast.com*,* which does have a "dumbed down" search function? Caroline Gurney Caroline Gurney | Historical Research Services<http://www.carolinegurney.com> On 20 March 2014 16:12, David Wharton <david@wharton21.freeserve.co.uk>wrote: Is anybody else frustrated by the new "improved" Find My Past website and searches? For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by place of birth. The results no longer appear in a table where clicking on certain columns changed the sort to that column [there is a drop-down box called Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. The transcription no longer shows a sensible table with a line for each person showing all the fields; the other persons appear at the bottom of the page with incomplete information. On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. From 1837 this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown does not have the source - you have to click through to see it. It is possible to choose Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious for mobile people living close to the next county. Again the only option in the drop-down Order By box is Relevance. It is no longer possible to choose other columns. On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's Maiden Name goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's names go in the Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any Name Variants option, unlike the previous versions of these searches. On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage or a range. On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working on them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is very premature and also "user hostile" even if they resolve all these problems. David Wharton --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anybody else frustrated by the new “improved” Find My Past website and searches? For example on the census, it is no longer possible to search by Piece/Folio/Page reference. It is no longer possible to search by place of birth. The results no longer appear in a table where clicking on certain columns changed the sort to that column [there is a drop-down box called Order By, but the only option is Relevance]. The transcription no longer shows a sensible table with a line for each person showing all the fields; the other persons appear at the bottom of the page with incomplete information. On Life Events (BMDs), it is no longer possible to search all Parish Baptisms on their own. The choice of Filter is Births & Baptisms. From 1837 this produces Births as well, but the initial data shown does not have the source – you have to click through to see it. It is possible to choose Baptisms for just one county, but this is tedious for mobile people living close to the next county. Again the only option in the drop-down Order By box is Relevance. It is no longer possible to choose other columns. On Births from 1911, you have to know or guess that the Mother's Maiden Name goes in the Keyword box. On Marriages any of the Spouse's names go in the Keyword box. But the Keyword box does not have any Name Variants option, unlike the previous versions of these searches. On Marriages, it is no longer possible to search by Year of Marriage or a range. On Facebook FMP say that they are noting problems raised and working on them. But it strikes me that the introduction of this change is very premature and also “user hostile” even if they resolve all these problems. David Wharton --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com