This happened to my grandfather - he was kept on for a while in the stores (in Aldershot I think) helping kit men out, but was eventually discharged unfit after a few months. He did not get any kind of allowance from the Army and went out and got a civilian job. In his case the reason for being unfit was because he had a heart murmur - he lived until he was 87 in fact so I don't think it was that bad! No records of his Army service exist that we know of and he didn't get the Victory medal etc at the end of the war that serving soldiers got. In the case you quote, I think KR 1912 refers to Kings Regulations issued in 1912. Hope that helps, Julia -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Francia Sent: 30 April 2014 14:20 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOG-UK] Medical discharge from the army I am researching a man who enlisted in the British army in September 1914 and was then discharged for medical reasons in December 1914 as being unfit for service. The reason was given as 'Medically Unfit Para 392 (iii) C KR 1912.' I understand that this means he was not likely to become an efficient soldier. Does anyone know whether he would have been awarded any kind of allowance? S. Francia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4570 / Virus Database: 3931/7416 - Release Date: 04/29/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4570 / Virus Database: 3931/7416 - Release Date: 04/29/14

Can anyone who attended the recent FMP training at the SOG please report back on if they learnt anything useful. I am still having terrible problems with the site and FMP aren't replying to legitimate questions on Facebook (their chosen media). They have also deleted literally 1000's of comments from their feedback site including many helpful workarounds. I was wondering how the training/meeting went and if it was in any way helpful. I would liked to have gone but all the places seemed to go within 2 hours. It would be nice for somebody to post a report on how it went. Thank you Rae Knight

I am researching a man who enlisted in the British army in September 1914 and was then discharged for medical reasons in December 1914 as being unfit for service. The reason was given as 'Medically Unfit Para 392 (iii) C KR 1912.' I understand that this means he was not likely to become an efficient soldier. Does anyone know whether he would have been awarded any kind of allowance? S. Francia

Like you Phil I too have also been using PAF and continue to do so, however when they stopped supporting I downloaded Ancestral Quest which uses my PAF database and I can switch between the two at will. Any information added to either is added to the database. After using the trial version I puchased the full version at the reduced price for PAF users of $19.99. It does everything PAF does plus a lot of additional bits. Worth a look at their site http://www.ancquest.com/index.htm But as you say everyone has their own preferences there is no one package that will meet everyones needs Tony -----Original Message----- From: Phil Marris Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:29 AM To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Genealogy Software It is interesting, the different preferences we all have. Years ago, I used an early version of FTM (when it was owned by Broderbund) but found the UI rather clunky. I then tried an early version of TMG but found its ranking system ("How confident are you about this or that piece of information?") overly time-consuming for little benefit. I also tried Tree Draw for charts but found it took hours to achieve anything half decent. So I switched to Personal Ancestral File (PAF), the freeware package from the LDS, which I've been using ever since. Unfortunately, they stopped support for it in July 2013 (see https://familysearch.org/paf) but even today, I still think it's a great package. It has an excellent UI, making it easy both to enter data and to move quickly around the generations. The only two reports I need are Book Reports (ok in PAF) and drop-line pedigree charts (awful in PAF). For the latter, I use PowerPoint - by far the best when it comes to controlling the page-layout. PAF's basic "find" facility is easy to use but its complex search facilities are horribly difficult. But this doesn't matter as I have all my records in an MS Access database. Everything goes firstly into the database before I start building individual records into trees. The searching, sorting and filtering facilities in MS Access are exceptionally good. Although now out of support, PAF 5.2 works fine in Windows 7 - so I'm not yet faced with the question of what to migrate to next. Phil Marris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 25/04/14 12:06, Mitchelmore wrote: > I currently use The Master Genealogist (TMG) software. I chose this > because of its comprehensive features, although it is not > particularly user friendly. As it seems that the UK version is no > longer supported I am looking for a replacement. Family Tree Maker is > a leading candidate but there have been adverse reports about the > latest version. I should be grateful for advice and suggestions. I've used Gramps for years. It does everything that I want. And it's completely free. https://gramps-project.org/ Dave...

It is interesting, the different preferences we all have. Years ago, I used an early version of FTM (when it was owned by Broderbund) but found the UI rather clunky. I then tried an early version of TMG but found its ranking system ("How confident are you about this or that piece of information?") overly time-consuming for little benefit. I also tried Tree Draw for charts but found it took hours to achieve anything half decent. So I switched to Personal Ancestral File (PAF), the freeware package from the LDS, which I've been using ever since. Unfortunately, they stopped support for it in July 2013 (see https://familysearch.org/paf) but even today, I still think it's a great package. It has an excellent UI, making it easy both to enter data and to move quickly around the generations. The only two reports I need are Book Reports (ok in PAF) and drop-line pedigree charts (awful in PAF). For the latter, I use PowerPoint - by far the best when it comes to controlling the page-layout. PAF's basic "find" facility is easy to use but its complex search facilities are horribly difficult. But this doesn't matter as I have all my records in an MS Access database. Everything goes firstly into the database before I start building individual records into trees. The searching, sorting and filtering facilities in MS Access are exceptionally good. Although now out of support, PAF 5.2 works fine in Windows 7 - so I'm not yet faced with the question of what to migrate to next. Phil Marris

Thanks to you all for your constructive comments and suggestions. It does seem to be a matter of personal appeal, so though it is time consuming I'll get trial versions of the ones you recommend. Efficiency at importing events, sources and notes is an important consideration: TMG, which I have been using for several years, is particularly good at this but I am still sorting out input queries. If there is sufficient interest perhaps SOG could arrange an (annual ?) event where the leading packages could be demonstrated and features compared. I'm sure the suppliers would subsidise it. I realised how dated TMG had become when I saw a demonstration of Family Tree Maker. Perhaps that is why TWR Computing have withdrawn support. John Mitchelmore

I have always obtained my UK version from the USA and their support has been first class. I find the product excellent for what I need. Chris -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Henwood Family Tree Sent: 25 April 2014 16:39 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Genealogy Software The British firm, TWR Computing, which used to supply and support TMG is no longer doing so. The UK version of TMG has recently been updated by Wholly Genes and I have always found the support I have received from the States to be first class - even to the extent of them 'phoning me on occasions. I would suggest John you get TMG direct from the States as I have done. David Henwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchelmore" <post@jkmitchelmore.plus.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: [SOG-UK] Genealogy Software >I currently use The Master Genealogist (TMG) software. I chose this because >of its comprehensive features, although it is not particularly user >friendly. As it seems that the UK version is no longer supported I am >looking for a replacement. Family Tree Maker is a leading candidate but >there have been adverse reports about the latest version. > I should be grateful for advice and suggestions. > John Mitchelmore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would agree with David Henwood that support for TMG from Wholly Genes in the USA is second to none. From my early days as a user I received first class support, including personal phone calls from the President of the company shortly after I had posted a query on the mailing list or support forum. I felt so grateful for this excellent customer service that I declined their offer of payment for my work on the UK version of the software back in 2004. Caroline Gurney On 25 April 2014 16:39, Henwood Family Tree <FamilyTree.Henwood@btinternet.com> wrote: > The British firm, TWR Computing, which used to supply and support TMG is no > longer doing so. > > The UK version of TMG has recently been updated by Wholly Genes and I have > always found the support I have received from the States to be first class - > even to the extent of them 'phoning me on occasions. > > I would suggest John you get TMG direct from the States as I have done. > > David Henwood

John, What makes you think the UK version of TMG is no longer supported? I can't find anything to that effect on the Wholly Genes website. Indeed the new version - TMG 9 - has just added the ability to produce UK style drop line charts. As you may know, I was a long time user of TMG and provided both the Sample Project and the Source Types for the UK version. I switched to Family Tree Maker some years ago when it started providing functionality previously only available to me in TMG. In my opinion, Family Tree Maker does so with a more pleasing and user friendly interface. It is also much more reliable and robust software, since TMG is based on a now very old and obsolete database structure. When I first started using TMG in the 1990s it was cutting edge. Sadly, in my opinion, it is now some way behind the curve. But others will disagree, depending on which features they use. What specific adverse reports are you worried about concerning the latest version of Family Tree Maker - FTM 2014? I have used FTM from FTM 2010 onwards and, for me, each version has been better than the previous one. I use it every day in my work as a professional genealogist and maintain multiple client databases. I have had had no problems at all with the software. Having said which, the best new program for you is the one with which you personally feel comfortable. This is one area where personal recommendations are really no help at all. One man's meat truly is another's poison. About once a year I download the trial versions of other genealogy software and have so far never been tempted to change to Family Historian, Legacy or Roots Magic. I am sure that users of those programs feel exactly the same about my choice of FTM. It is important that you take the time to try out each program and decide which works best for you. Caroline Gurney Caroline Gurney | Historical Research Services On 25 April 2014 12:06, Mitchelmore <post@jkmitchelmore.plus.com> wrote: > I currently use The Master Genealogist (TMG) software. I chose this because of its comprehensive features, although it is not particularly user friendly. As it seems that the UK version is no longer supported I am looking for a replacement. Family Tree Maker is a leading candidate but there have been adverse reports about the latest version. > I should be grateful for advice and suggestions. > John Mitchelmore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<snipped>> Personally, i dont like programs where gedcom is the native file format. It is often touted as an advantage, but it has always been a rather loose standard, open to misinterpretation and change. Legacy and probably TMG and several others use their own format, but basically it is a " proper" database. <<snipped>> Mmm - I suspect a few IT people will be spluttering into their coffee at the idea that these systems are "proper" databases! Most of them won't even agree MS Access is one (me, I like Access!) More seriously - I would contend that GEDCOM is not a loose standard, nor is it open to misinterpretation and change. Especially not "change" - would that it were, but it's been stuck for years... The issue is not the standard but those programmers who simply can't be bothered to read the manual. (I can say this - I was a programmer once. I read the manual - funny how the software works better when you do that...) However, we do have to deal with reality - you should check up on how good your current software is at writing a GEDCOM file and your potential new program at reading one - especially reading one from your current program. Try Googling terms like Import Export GEDCOM and the program names. You may be lucky and find there is also the option of doing a direct import from your old into your new, without going via GEDCOM. However, if you go down the GEDCOM route, there is the option - if you are happy to mess about with editing a text file - to TAKE A COPY and edit some at least of the issues out of existence. If you know what the thing *should* look like, of course! So, fundamentally, import / export of data is a serious question - though most people usually manage with minimal loss. As for the user interface, well, I did try FTM a number of years ago - it got zapped within the day since I just could not get on with the UI - I couldn't tell whether I was looking at an editable view or a print preview or what... It depends very much on what you're used to - anyone who is competent with MS Office will have no problems with Family Historian, e.g., because it's very much a Windows style program. Adrian B

I would concur with David M FTM 2006 is the best it gets with Family Tree Maker, now that Ancestry.com have taken over the latter versions are more geared to on-line trees which they then exploit and sell on, whilst I am happy to share my data I am not happy about a company exploiting and making profit from it which is the way on-line family trees seem to hav moved. I also use Family Historian which I find helpful as it is seems to be based more on UK Family History practise rather than the American style. Albert Wm Gosnall <https://mybizcard.co/albertwm.gosnall.736568> ________________________________ From: David Martin <dmart7@blueyonder.co.uk> To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com; SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 25 April 2014, 13:28 Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Genealogy Software It is always personal, but I would probably go for Family Historian rather than Family Tree Maker. Most people will recommend the programme they use, and they may or may not have tried others.  I have tried and would recommend FH but don't use it at the moment.  This is because I still use an old version of Family Tree Maker (FTM 2006), which is superb but as a legacy system you should not start using it now.  The newer versions of FTM (2008-2014), which I have also tried, are completely different and have been problematic.  They are getting better but they are not the class leader that FTM2006 was in its day. One day, I will have to upgrade to a 'modern' programme but after trying both, currently I would recommend FH over FTM.  If you do choose FTM, bear in mind that although it likes to integrate with Ancestry and has facilities for online trees, you do not have to use these features. David M -----Original Message----- From: Mitchelmore Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 12:06 PM To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOG-UK] Genealogy Software I currently use The Master Genealogist (TMG) software. I chose this because of its comprehensive features, although it is not particularly user friendly. As it seems that the UK version is no longer supported I am looking for a replacement. Family Tree Maker is a leading candidate but there have been adverse reports about the latest version. I should be grateful for advice and suggestions. John Mitchelmore ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The British firm, TWR Computing, which used to supply and support TMG is no longer doing so. The UK version of TMG has recently been updated by Wholly Genes and I have always found the support I have received from the States to be first class - even to the extent of them 'phoning me on occasions. I would suggest John you get TMG direct from the States as I have done. David Henwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchelmore" <post@jkmitchelmore.plus.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: [SOG-UK] Genealogy Software >I currently use The Master Genealogist (TMG) software. I chose this because >of its comprehensive features, although it is not particularly user >friendly. As it seems that the UK version is no longer supported I am >looking for a replacement. Family Tree Maker is a leading candidate but >there have been adverse reports about the latest version. > I should be grateful for advice and suggestions. > John Mitchelmore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I too have used Legacy for many years. The new version is certainly worth a try. When i first used it (version 4?) I had tried to use TMG, but something in my computer did not like it. I also have tried FH, and have imported my data to RootsMagic, which i received as a gift with a magazine sub. My conclusion was that legacy does what i want it to, and the learning curve and possibly lossy conversion from one program to another is something to consider. When i talk of lossy conversion, i mean that sometimes notes attached to a particular event in a persons history may be merged. This hit me when for those close to me i had not used legacys sourcing system, but just attached a birth note, marriage note or death note with (year quarter) volume and page, no more. With one import i made to another program, those references went into one notes field. When all three were present, no problem, but with just two, i lost the link with the event... I am sticking to Legacy and have paid for the deluxe version. The basic free version has no size limits, but some advanced features dont work. Although updates come regularly, they keep a major version going for at least a couple of years, so upgrade costs are very modest. There are independent apps on android and ios ("families") to handle data from Legacy, and possibly other programs too, but i only ever use it "one way". That is the pc is where i edit, but you can go both ways. It has its own charting functions, but again there are add on programs to give you alternatives. Personally, i dont like programs where gedcom is the native file format. It is often touted as an advantage, but it has always been a rather loose standard, open to misinterpretation and change. Legacy and probably TMG and several others use their own format, but basically it is a " proper" database. In the case of Legacy it always used to have MS Access, and "families" (not made by the legacy people but can work with it) converts this to a different engine, to suit android (that has a database built in - effectively). Whatever you choose, visit the legacy homepage and find out about their webinars. Some are very usa- centric, but others are not, and they are free to join in or view within a week of broadcast. Recent speakers have included retiring Goons chairman, Kirsty Gray. SOG, please note! Dave Beakhust On 25 April 2014 15:08:50 arabati <arabati@btinternet.com> wrote: > I agree with the view that we each tend to favour the program we use. So, FWIW I like Legacy which I originally chose because of the other programs at the time were very weak in this area. Legacy has progressed over the years and has had a major makeover. Available for free download in its standard version, the fully featured edition is not IMHO expensive and does not come with loads of useless junk. It has a tool that checks for people who are missing census entries.  > > Tony Albert  > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with the view that we each tend to favour the program we use. So, FWIW I like Legacy which I originally chose because of the other programs at the time were very weak in this area. Legacy has progressed over the years and has had a major makeover. Available for free download in its standard version, the fully featured edition is not IMHO expensive and does not come with loads of useless junk. It has a tool that checks for people who are missing census entries.  Tony Albert 

It is always personal, but I would probably go for Family Historian rather than Family Tree Maker. Most people will recommend the programme they use, and they may or may not have tried others. I have tried and would recommend FH but don't use it at the moment. This is because I still use an old version of Family Tree Maker (FTM 2006), which is superb but as a legacy system you should not start using it now. The newer versions of FTM (2008-2014), which I have also tried, are completely different and have been problematic. They are getting better but they are not the class leader that FTM2006 was in its day. One day, I will have to upgrade to a 'modern' programme but after trying both, currently I would recommend FH over FTM. If you do choose FTM, bear in mind that although it likes to integrate with Ancestry and has facilities for online trees, you do not have to use these features. David M -----Original Message----- From: Mitchelmore Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 12:06 PM To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOG-UK] Genealogy Software I currently use The Master Genealogist (TMG) software. I chose this because of its comprehensive features, although it is not particularly user friendly. As it seems that the UK version is no longer supported I am looking for a replacement. Family Tree Maker is a leading candidate but there have been adverse reports about the latest version. I should be grateful for advice and suggestions. John Mitchelmore ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> From: Mitchelmore > Sent: 25 April 2014 12:07 > > I currently use The Master Genealogist (TMG) software. I chose this > because of its comprehensive features, although it is not particularly > user friendly. As it seems that the UK version is no longer supported I > am looking for a replacement. I don't know why you say the UK version of TMG is no longer supported. It is still listed on the WhollyGenes website. For the latest version see https://www.whollygenes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=TMGUK Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - A.R.Millard@durham.ac.uk Chair, Trustees of Genuki: www.genuki.org.uk Maintainer, Genuki Middx + London: homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/ Academic Co-ordinator, Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Bodimeade one-name study: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My genealogy: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/

I recommend Family Historian. You can download a free trial version: http://www.family-historian.co.uk/ It is a very flexible and highly customisable program, and the developer is British. Debbie

Hi I would recommend Family Historian 5 (FH5); I tried TMG and others but settled on this one. It is user friendly, unlike TMG (my opinion of course!) but a big plus is the online user group from which you can download free add-ons i.e. macros, that allow you to run queries. For example, you could ask your entire database "how many individuals do I not have census records for?" or "how many baptisms in my database are unsourced?" etc. I find this flexibility very persuasive in FH5's favour. The program has all the usual bells and whistles when it comes to reports and charting.... As said before though, it is personal choice and so you may hear a diversity of opinion. Regards Karen > From: post@jkmitchelmore.plus.com > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:06:55 +0100 > Subject: [SOG-UK] Genealogy Software > > I currently use The Master Genealogist (TMG) software. I chose this because of its comprehensive features, although it is not particularly user friendly. As it seems that the UK version is no longer supported I am looking for a replacement. Family Tree Maker is a leading candidate but there have been adverse reports about the latest version. > I should be grateful for advice and suggestions. > John Mitchelmore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I currently use The Master Genealogist (TMG) software. I chose this because of its comprehensive features, although it is not particularly user friendly. As it seems that the UK version is no longer supported I am looking for a replacement. Family Tree Maker is a leading candidate but there have been adverse reports about the latest version. I should be grateful for advice and suggestions. John Mitchelmore