For information: As suggested I contacted Else Churchill about the non response to my earlier email to the Chief Exec concerning the FMP. I am pleased to have now received a reply from June Perrin and include it below in case it is of interest to others on the list. Lin From: June Perrin [ <mailto:ceo@sog.org.uk> mailto:ceo@sog.org.uk] Sent: 04 July 2014 12:30 To: 'Lin & David' Subject: Findmypast Dear Lin I am emailing regarding your original query re Findmypast and the changes to their software. First let me apologise for not replying earlier. I did actually act on your first email and I discussed it at the Trustee meeting in April and contacted Findmypast. However when I returned to my emails to reply I had failed to put a flag on the email and didn't find it. I do receive a huge number of emails so this is not as lame as it sounds but I was rather silly in not setting the flag on it so I apologise wholeheartedly. Our position with Findmypast is a commercial one but there is very little we can do about the new systems apart from add our own concerns to the list. The income we receive from the contract is not easily replaceable for the Society as we often run in deficit due to our high running costs so we would not withdraw our data. Findmypast are not likely to return to their old systems so all we can do is continue to give feedback on how the new one needs improving. >From my own observation Findmypast are listening and trying to make improvements but how quickly this can happen when they are adding so much new data is not clear. We did also hold a training day for the new system here at the Society and hopefully will add more training days as they make improvements. I am sorry to not be able to help more. Kind Regards June June Perrin Chief Executive Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings, London EC1M 7BA Registered Charity No. 233701 Company Limited by Guarantee Registered No.115703 This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lin & David [mailto:lin@boots1.demon.co.uk] Sent: 04 July 2014 19:24 To: 'June Perrin' Cc: genealogy@sog.org.uk Subject: RE: Findmypast Dear June Thank you for your reply which is appreciated. I quite understand about the deluge of emails you no doubt have to cope with! Thanks too to Else for her very prompt acknowledgement of my most recent email. I am glad to learn that you raised the concerns I, and many other members had, with the Trustees and note that contact has been made with the FMP. The SOG's pragmatic response seems reasonable in view of the financial constraints in which it has to work. Only time will tell whether the FMP's system will return to its previous comparatively high standard. As I referred to your apparent lack of response on the members' forum, I hope you will not mind my forwarding a copy of your email to that list for members' information. Regards Lin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28158341 Well if we. Going to change this at all might aswell do it comprehensively and start from scratch. Could some of the goodies thart are in the Scottish National BDM be included? What about the EEC Right to be Forgotten?? Julian Duffus Jjgduffus@gmail.com Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

I had a similar problem but realised it was Internet Explorer problem again and switched to Google Gold and it work o.k. Regards Daphne

Many thanks. I should have read it with more care. Have accessed it now! Lin -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of g.e.young@talk21.com Sent: 03 July 2014 23:27 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] FMP I have accessed the site successfully.  After verifying your email address you have to click on the link again and enter the unique access code given in the FMP email. Gillian >________________________________ > From: Lin & David <lin@boots1.demon.co.uk> >To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2014, 22:22 >Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] FMP > > >Has anyone followed up FMP's offer of 12 months free access to their >newest partner site, Imperial War Museum's Lives of the First World >War?  I could only access the index - not specific records.  As soon as >I tried the screen informed me that I had to take out a subscription or >purchase credits.  It doesn't appear to offer any more access than if I >had gone into the site without having a special code. > >Am I doing something wrong, or just misinterpreted the offer from FMP? > >Lin > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have accessed the site successfully.  After verifying your email address you have to click on the link again and enter the unique access code given in the FMP email. Gillian >________________________________ > From: Lin & David <lin@boots1.demon.co.uk> >To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2014, 22:22 >Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] FMP > > >Has anyone followed up FMP's offer of 12 months free access to their newest >partner site, Imperial War Museum's Lives of the First World War?  I could >only access the index - not specific records.  As soon as I tried the screen >informed me that I had to take out a subscription or purchase credits.  It >doesn't appear to offer any more access than if I had gone into the site >without having a special code. > >Am I doing something wrong, or just misinterpreted the offer from FMP? > >Lin > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Has anyone followed up FMP's offer of 12 months free access to their newest partner site, Imperial War Museum's Lives of the First World War? I could only access the index - not specific records. As soon as I tried the screen informed me that I had to take out a subscription or purchase credits. It doesn't appear to offer any more access than if I had gone into the site without having a special code. Am I doing something wrong, or just misinterpreted the offer from FMP? Lin

The latest version of Discovery (prototype) was released today at http://beta.discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk TNA has sent the following notice to the Society of Genealogists "We have been working hard on this for many months, adding over 10 million record descriptions previously stored in a variety of different sources within the National Register of Archives (NRA), Access to Archives (A2A) and the Manorial Documents Register (MDR) so that they are all now searchable within a single online catalogue. See the Finding Archives for information: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archives-sector/finding-archives.htm. Some things to note: In order to add this new functionality, we have made some changes to how searching works; you will find that the search engine behaves differently and it may take a bit of time to get used to it. But you should be able to find what you would have found before (and of course lots more!). If you experience difficulties using the new search please let me know. Use the 2 tick boxes under the main search box to quickly narrow your search only to records held by The National Archives and / or only records available for download. Advanced search options have been significantly updated. For example, you can search for a specified date or a date range in the formats yyyy, mmyyyy or ddmmyyyy. 'Search within' has been replaced by 'Find any reference' which enables you to search within up to 3 references (not just National Archives' ones). You can limit your search to only closed or retained records (currently you search for both). 'Exclude title' enables you to search for a specified term in all catalogue fields other than the document's title (for example it's longer 'description'). You can also use advanced search to search only for records held by The National Archives, only for records held by (all) repositories other than The National Archives, or only for records held by any other (named) repository. The latest version has a new home screen and now includes a separate archive/repository search (ARCHON). There is also a new image viewer which forms part of the details page where there are images to be displayed (rather than just downloaded) - the images are still obscured for external users and subscribers but onsite you will be able to view the images. We have also made further changes to the export based on your feedback. This is beta and some features may be missing or not work fully. However, there should be enough features and functionality for you to experience the new service. Please send (via the Discovery mailbox) any comments and feedback. " The Society of Genealogists encourages members to look at the beta test site and give comment and feedback .This is your opportunity to make Discovery work for you Else Churchill Society of Genealogists direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.sog.org.uk WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

Thanks to everyone who has replied, both privately and on the list. Peter

Email librarian@sog.org.uk - Tim Lawrence Chris Broomfield Broomfield, Bromfield & Brumfield One Name Study -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter at LostCousins Sent: 02 July 2014 15:44 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOG-UK] Reporting errors in online data Does anyone know what the procedure is for reporting errors in the SoG's data, in this instance Boyd's Marriage Index? There's reason to believe that the wrong county is shown (Devon instead of Yorkshire) and up to 235 records could be affected. Thanks, Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know what the procedure is for reporting errors in the SoG's data, in this instance Boyd's Marriage Index? There's reason to believe that the wrong county is shown (Devon instead of Yorkshire) and up to 235 records could be affected. Thanks, Peter

Andrew, It might be worth contacting the curator responsible for the V & A's jewellery collection: http://www.vam.ac.uk/page/j/jewellery. There is also a Society of Jewellery Historians: http://www.societyofjewelleryhistorians.ac.uk. Caroline Gurney http://www.carolinegurney.com On 30 June 2014 09:23, MILLARD A.R. <a.r.millard@durham.ac.uk> wrote: > > Thanks to all those who replied about mourning rings. As Gillian illustrated their price can range from a few shillings, and up to several pounds. My problem is to link the specific ring to its likely original price. I'll follow up Richard's leads, but in the meantime if anyone knows of other indicators of what one got for one's money when buying mourning rings in the late 18th century, do let me know. > > Best wishes > > Andrew

Thanks to all those who replied about mourning rings. As Gillian illustrated their price can range from a few shillings, and up to several pounds. My problem is to link the specific ring to its likely original price. I'll follow up Richard's leads, but in the meantime if anyone knows of other indicators of what one got for one's money when buying mourning rings in the late 18th century, do let me know. Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - A.R.Millard@durham.ac.uk Chair, Trustees of Genuki: www.genuki.org.uk Maintainer, Genuki Middx + London: homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/ Academic Co-ordinator, Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Bodimeade one-name study: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My genealogy: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/

Hi I have a will dated 1677 in which the testator gives 20 shillings to his sister for a mourning ring and 10 shillings to each of his sister's sons and daughters and their husbands and wives. The testator, William Thornbury, was a Customer at the port of London. He was wealthy and owned substantial property in London, much of it inherited from his father, a barber surgeon. Hope this helps Gillian -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Heaton Sent: Saturday, 28 June 2014 7:04 AM To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] the price of mourning rings What an interesting question While widespread mourning jewellery has always looked to me as a potentially specialist manufacture and I wonder if it was produced in the 18th century in London and other centres and distributed to Jewellers across the country (it would make sense being small light and valuable and probably essential as part of an 18th century jewellers stock). While I have several thousand of 18th century newspapers and while I've come across advertisements for mourning in general I've never seen a price quoted for jewellery - but it might be worth a look through the British Newspaper Archive. Other options ... do any account books survive (possibly traceable through A2A ?) And last but far from least another line of enquiry - there are collectors of funeral ephemera (I gave a talk for the Goons at Nottingham earlier in the year and touched on this then)- you might want to send an email to the Ephemera Society - with luck it would be printed in their quarterly magazine for if anyone knows or point where to look this would be a good place to start ! Very Best Regards and good luck Richard Heaton -----Original Message----- From: MILLARD A.R. Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 2:47 PM To: 'sog-uk@rootsweb.com' Subject: [SOG-UK] the price of mourning rings I'm sure many here have seen mourning rings mentioned in wills, with varying values attached to them. A colleague of mine has excavated one dated 1775, which you can see pictured here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-27810231 and for real in his exhibition: http://www.divingintodurham.com/ We are trying to track down information about the lady commemorated, and I'm hoping that if I can work out the price of this type of mourning ring it might give a clue as to the family's social status. Does anyone have any ideas where to look to establish its value in 1775? Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - A.R.Millard@durham.ac.uk Chair, Trustees of Genuki: www.genuki.org.uk Maintainer, Genuki Middx + London: homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/ Academic Co-ordinator, Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Bodimeade one-name study: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My genealogy: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It was an outage caused by DDOS which hit Ancestry (who host rootsweb), a conspiracy of a nasty kind, but not under the control of the SoG. JK On 28 June 2014 13:17, <jjgduffus@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All > What a shame this was no brought up at the AGM last week, indeed it was a shame that this list seems to have been "down" for the pwriod leading up to AGM > > Julian Duffus > Sog member 1979 to present > > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > Original Message > From: Dave Beakhust > Sent: Saturday, 28 June 2014 00:03 > To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com > Reply To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] FMP > > Else Churchill may be the person you want. Email Genealogy AT .... > > She is on twitter, too. > > > > On 27 June 2014 22:44:37 Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: > >> On 27 Jun at 11:00, "Lin & David" <lin@boots1.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > Its interesting to see continuing comments about the FMP. On 17 April >> > I sent the following email to the Chief Executive of the SOG using the >> > address 'ceo@sog.org.uk'. and received no reply. Whilst I do not >> > expect the SOG to share my views about FMP, or the need to express >> > concern, I was disappointed at the apparent lack of interest in >> > members views. I am sure Ms Perrin is a very busy individual but the >> > courtesy of a brief acknowledgement would have been nice! >> > >> > Lin >> >> Try sending it to the Genealogist or the chairman of trustees. The ceo >> looks after the administration of the Society. >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Dear Ms Perrin >> > >> > I have for years been a keen user of Find My Past and pleased that the >> > SoG has been associated with the company. However, as you may be >> > aware many members have expressed their disquiet and disappointment >> > following the launch of Find My Past's new system. I doubt you have >> > the time to routinely monitor the SOG members forum but their messages >> > do provide an eloquent description of the problems encountered. The >> > new system is slow, difficult to use, poorly designed and lacks many >> > of the search facilities of the previous version. It is so bad that >> > I cannot believe it was tested with the help of genealogists. A high >> > volume of complaints can be seen on its own website and on Facebook. >> > >> > The SoG is described as one of the FMP's partners. I feel the SoG's >> > reputation will be damaged by its continuing association with an >> > organisation which appears to have behaved with a lack of >> > professionalism, with little concern for its users or for the ease of >> > access to information provided by its partners. >> > >> > I am writing to ask whether the SoG has, or will be, making an >> > official representation to the company to express its concern. >> > >> > Regards Lin Howard >> > >> > (Member No. 011443) >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please >> > send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> > message >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org >> for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear All What a shame this was no brought up at the AGM last week, indeed it was a shame that this list seems to have been "down" for the pwriod leading up to AGM Julian Duffus  Sog member 1979 to present Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.   Original Message   From: Dave Beakhust Sent: Saturday, 28 June 2014 00:03 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Reply To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] FMP Else Churchill may be the person you want. Email Genealogy AT .... She is on twitter, too. On 27 June 2014 22:44:37 Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: > On 27 Jun at 11:00, "Lin & David" <lin@boots1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > Its interesting to see continuing comments about the FMP. On 17 April > > I sent the following email to the Chief Executive of the SOG using the > > address 'ceo@sog.org.uk'. and received no reply. Whilst I do not > > expect the SOG to share my views about FMP, or the need to express > > concern, I was disappointed at the apparent lack of interest in > > members views. I am sure Ms Perrin is a very busy individual but the > > courtesy of a brief acknowledgement would have been nice! > > > > Lin > > Try sending it to the Genealogist or the chairman of trustees. The ceo > looks after the administration of the Society. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > Dear Ms Perrin > > > > I have for years been a keen user of Find My Past and pleased that the > > SoG has been associated with the company. However, as you may be > > aware many members have expressed their disquiet and disappointment > > following the launch of Find My Past's new system. I doubt you have > > the time to routinely monitor the SOG members forum but their messages > > do provide an eloquent description of the problems encountered. The > > new system is slow, difficult to use, poorly designed and lacks many > > of the search facilities of the previous version. It is so bad that > > I cannot believe it was tested with the help of genealogists. A high > > volume of complaints can be seen on its own website and on Facebook. > > > > The SoG is described as one of the FMP's partners. I feel the SoG's > > reputation will be damaged by its continuing association with an > > organisation which appears to have behaved with a lack of > > professionalism, with little concern for its users or for the ease of > > access to information provided by its partners. > > > > I am writing to ask whether the SoG has, or will be, making an > > official representation to the company to express its concern. > > > > Regards Lin Howard > > > > (Member No. 011443) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > > send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to you and Tim for that suggestion. I will try that. -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Beakhust Sent: 28 June 2014 00:02 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] FMP Else Churchill may be the person you want. Email Genealogy AT .... She is on twitter, too. On 27 June 2014 22:44:37 Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: > On 27 Jun at 11:00, "Lin & David" <lin@boots1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > Its interesting to see continuing comments about the FMP. On 17 > > April I sent the following email to the Chief Executive of the SOG > > using the address 'ceo@sog.org.uk'. and received no reply. Whilst I > > do not expect the SOG to share my views about FMP, or the need to > > express concern, I was disappointed at the apparent lack of interest > > in members views. I am sure Ms Perrin is a very busy individual but > > the courtesy of a brief acknowledgement would have been nice! > > > > Lin > > Try sending it to the Genealogist or the chairman of trustees. The > ceo looks after the administration of the Society. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > Dear Ms Perrin > > > > I have for years been a keen user of Find My Past and pleased that > > the SoG has been associated with the company. However, as you may > > be aware many members have expressed their disquiet and > > disappointment following the launch of Find My Past's new system. I > > doubt you have the time to routinely monitor the SOG members forum > > but their messages do provide an eloquent description of the > > problems encountered. The new system is slow, difficult to use, poorly designed and lacks many > > of the search facilities of the previous version. It is so bad that > > I cannot believe it was tested with the help of genealogists. A high > > volume of complaints can be seen on its own website and on Facebook. > > > > The SoG is described as one of the FMP's partners. I feel the SoG's > > reputation will be damaged by its continuing association with an > > organisation which appears to have behaved with a lack of > > professionalism, with little concern for its users or for the ease > > of access to information provided by its partners. > > > > I am writing to ask whether the SoG has, or will be, making an > > official representation to the company to express its concern. > > > > Regards Lin Howard > > > > (Member No. 011443) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > > send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Else Churchill may be the person you want. Email Genealogy AT .... She is on twitter, too. On 27 June 2014 22:44:37 Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: > On 27 Jun at 11:00, "Lin & David" <lin@boots1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > Its interesting to see continuing comments about the FMP. On 17 April > > I sent the following email to the Chief Executive of the SOG using the > > address 'ceo@sog.org.uk'. and received no reply. Whilst I do not > > expect the SOG to share my views about FMP, or the need to express > > concern, I was disappointed at the apparent lack of interest in > > members views. I am sure Ms Perrin is a very busy individual but the > > courtesy of a brief acknowledgement would have been nice! > > > > Lin > > Try sending it to the Genealogist or the chairman of trustees. The ceo > looks after the administration of the Society. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > Dear Ms Perrin > > > > I have for years been a keen user of Find My Past and pleased that the > > SoG has been associated with the company. However, as you may be > > aware many members have expressed their disquiet and disappointment > > following the launch of Find My Past's new system. I doubt you have > > the time to routinely monitor the SOG members forum but their messages > > do provide an eloquent description of the problems encountered. The > > new system is slow, difficult to use, poorly designed and lacks many > > of the search facilities of the previous version. It is so bad that > > I cannot believe it was tested with the help of genealogists. A high > > volume of complaints can be seen on its own website and on Facebook. > > > > The SoG is described as one of the FMP's partners. I feel the SoG's > > reputation will be damaged by its continuing association with an > > organisation which appears to have behaved with a lack of > > professionalism, with little concern for its users or for the ease of > > access to information provided by its partners. > > > > I am writing to ask whether the SoG has, or will be, making an > > official representation to the company to express its concern. > > > > Regards Lin Howard > > > > (Member No. 011443) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > > send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

On 27 Jun at 11:00, "Lin & David" <lin@boots1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Its interesting to see continuing comments about the FMP. On 17 April > I sent the following email to the Chief Executive of the SOG using the > address 'ceo@sog.org.uk'. and received no reply. Whilst I do not > expect the SOG to share my views about FMP, or the need to express > concern, I was disappointed at the apparent lack of interest in > members views. I am sure Ms Perrin is a very busy individual but the > courtesy of a brief acknowledgement would have been nice! > > Lin Try sending it to the Genealogist or the chairman of trustees. The ceo looks after the administration of the Society. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------ > > Dear Ms Perrin > > I have for years been a keen user of Find My Past and pleased that the > SoG has been associated with the company. However, as you may be > aware many members have expressed their disquiet and disappointment > following the launch of Find My Past's new system. I doubt you have > the time to routinely monitor the SOG members forum but their messages > do provide an eloquent description of the problems encountered. The > new system is slow, difficult to use, poorly designed and lacks many > of the search facilities of the previous version. It is so bad that > I cannot believe it was tested with the help of genealogists. A high > volume of complaints can be seen on its own website and on Facebook. > > The SoG is described as one of the FMP's partners. I feel the SoG's > reputation will be damaged by its continuing association with an > organisation which appears to have behaved with a lack of > professionalism, with little concern for its users or for the ease of > access to information provided by its partners. > > I am writing to ask whether the SoG has, or will be, making an > official representation to the company to express its concern. > > Regards Lin Howard > > (Member No. 011443) > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

What an interesting question While widespread mourning jewellery has always looked to me as a potentially specialist manufacture and I wonder if it was produced in the 18th century in London and other centres and distributed to Jewellers across the country (it would make sense being small light and valuable and probably essential as part of an 18th century jewellers stock). While I have several thousand of 18th century newspapers and while I've come across advertisements for mourning in general I've never seen a price quoted for jewellery - but it might be worth a look through the British Newspaper Archive. Other options ... do any account books survive (possibly traceable through A2A ?) And last but far from least another line of enquiry - there are collectors of funeral ephemera (I gave a talk for the Goons at Nottingham earlier in the year and touched on this then)- you might want to send an email to the Ephemera Society - with luck it would be printed in their quarterly magazine for if anyone knows or point where to look this would be a good place to start ! Very Best Regards and good luck Richard Heaton -----Original Message----- From: MILLARD A.R. Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 2:47 PM To: 'sog-uk@rootsweb.com' Subject: [SOG-UK] the price of mourning rings I'm sure many here have seen mourning rings mentioned in wills, with varying values attached to them. A colleague of mine has excavated one dated 1775, which you can see pictured here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-27810231 and for real in his exhibition: http://www.divingintodurham.com/ We are trying to track down information about the lady commemorated, and I'm hoping that if I can work out the price of this type of mourning ring it might give a clue as to the family's social status. Does anyone have any ideas where to look to establish its value in 1775? Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - A.R.Millard@durham.ac.uk Chair, Trustees of Genuki: www.genuki.org.uk Maintainer, Genuki Middx + London: homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/ Academic Co-ordinator, Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Bodimeade one-name study: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My genealogy: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glad to be of help. I hope he does turn out to be your friend's grandfather. As you say, a Jack the Lad who may well have generated lots of lovely records with the courts, school boards etc. Black sheep make the best ancestors to research. My record so far is a client's ancestor for whom I found 56 newspaper reports - all of them court cases! Best wishes, Caroline Caroline Gurney | Historical Research Services <http://www.carolinegurney.com> On 27 June 2014 18:28, Linda <lin.taylor@talktalk.net> wrote: > Thanks for your help Caroline. I've printed them all out and am trying to > work something out. I'm not convinced that the 1942 one is him, it's way > out of his league and the age is different, I think a bit too old. > > Still, it will keep me entertained for a while! > > Lin > > -----Original Message----- > From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Caroline Gurney > Sent: 26 June 2014 21:30 > To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com > Cc: prwalker51@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] A Brick Wall to rival Hadrian! > > Lin, > > I think newspapers may help breach your brick wall. The Nottingham Evening > Post has reports of a number of court cases from the right time period > involving a Robert Lees, hawker, who sold fruit from a market stall. He > lived in Montfort Street, Radford. Do you have access to the British > Newspaper Archive, either directly or via FindMyPast? > Contact me offlist at research@carolinegurney.com and I'll let you have > details of the newspapers in which the reports appear. > > Caroline Gurney > > http://www.carolinegurney.com > > > > On 26 June 2014 16:43, Linda <lin.taylor@talktalk.net> wrote: >> Hi >> >> >> >> I wonder if anyone could help me with some research I'm doing for a > friend. >> His father was illegitimate and I'm having problems finding anything! >> >> >> >> He was Frederick Lees Walker born in Nottingham on 30th March 1913 to >> Amelia Walker (nee Harwood) and Robert Lees. Amelia had left her >> husband by the >> 1911 census and the family story is that 'Uncle Bob' (Robert Lees) > visited. >> He was thought to be a greengrocer as he always brought fruit for the >> children when they were sent out to play while he 'chatted' to Amelia. >> I do realise that he could just have stopped off for a pound of apples >> on his way! There is also supposed to be a London connection but nobody > knows what. >> >> >> >> Amelia died in 1916 when Frederick was 3 years old and he went to live >> with his older sister. It is known that Robert Lees kept in touch >> with him during this time and Frederick went to live with Robert when >> he was about 15 years old (about 1928). West Bridgford has been >> mentioned and I assume this may be where Frederick lived with Robert as > it's not where he was born. >> >> >> >> Frederick did spend some time as a jockey in Newmarket although we >> don't know when. I have contacted the Horseracing Museum to see if >> they hold any record of apprentices but they don't. >> >> >> >> After that Frederick became a painter & decorator and married in Much >> Wenlock in 1939. This was his first marriage - his son was born from >> his second marriage which was in Germany. I sent for a copy of this >> marriage certificate and it gives his father as Robert Lees Walker >> (which we know is >> incorrect) and a hawker. It doesn't say he was deceased. Mind you, >> the ages of both bride and groom are also incorrect so I don't know >> how useful this is! >> >> >> >> We don't know where Robert Lees was born so birth records aren't of >> any help. I'm assuming him to be about the same age as Amelia (b >> 1872) If Frederick was born in March 1913, he was conceived in June >> 1912 and assuming that Amelia had known him for a while, I expected to >> find him on the 1911 census in or around Nottingham. The only Robert >> Lees listed are all accounted for with wives and families. I know he >> could have forgotten to mention them when he visited but I'm sure they >> would have been mentioned when Frederick lived with his father. >> >> >> >> Assuming he WAS alive in 1939 and was about the same age as Amelia, >> I've looked for death records in Nottingham for 20 years or so after >> that but nothing promising. >> >> >> >> I've also searched the Nottingham directories (residential and >> commercial) for 1910/11 and 1913/14 (when Robert Lees should have been >> in Nottingham) and 1925 and 1928 when Frederick was living with him. >> I know these only list householders and there's no-one obvious and >> I've checked any other Lees in case he was living with family. >> >> >> >> I've thought about school records for Frederick (which are in >> Nottingham Records office and I'm in Essex) but think they will only >> give me the address of his sister if he was living with her when he >> was registered at school. I've also asked about electoral records, >> but these are listed by address and I don't know that. >> >> >> >> I've looked at what army records are left for the 1914/18 war just in >> case but again, the only Robert Lees don't fit. >> >> >> >> I've thought about the 1939 register for identity cards but they ask >> for all the details I don't have! >> >> >> >> Frederick joined the army in 1941, moved to Germany, divorced his >> first wife and married a German lady. Ironically he did try to trace >> his father in >> 1951 but of course the GRO wasn't computerised in those days and >> couldn't help him. >> >> >> >> If anyone could come up with any suggestions of where I could look >> next I would be extremely grateful! >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> Lin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message