Mortification - from Old French - "Death of part of the body, esp. of an extremity; localized necrosis of tissue; gangrene; an instance of this" So that's easy. Harder is Nick Burton's ossification. Ossification - from post-classical Latin - "The formation of bone; the normal or metaplastic process of forming bone; the condition of being ossified. In early use also: calcification, hardening---- 2 A bony formation or concretion; an area of bone formation. In early use also: a calcified concretion or area of calcification ----3 The process of becoming emotionally hardened or callous, or of becoming rigid or fixed in attitude, position, etc" So maybe John Brown's paralysis theory hits it on the bone... Sources for both : OED.

<Nickburton99@aol.com> wrote : > Similarly, a LE GRYS ancestor of a friend of mine apparently died of > 'ossification'! Any ideas? Aside from the obvious, which you noted yourself, my dictionary suggests 'becoming inflexible'; I wonder if this could, therefore, imply some form of paralysis ? Alternatively, isn't there an unpleasant medical condition that results in substantial additional bony growth ? John B Leic., Eng

Hi, Didn't the ancients put their bones in an Ossuary? Even of those bones. Edna - Ottawa

Doh! Sorry John, missed your e-mail, but hey! Great minds think alike! Kind regards Nick

Giving it more thought, I wonder if 'ossification' could refer to some sort of paralysis? Kind regards Nick

Hi, That surely is a much better explanation! Take care & LOL, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wason" <wason@dial.pipex.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [SoG] Fw: Mortification. Mortification - from Old French - "Death of part of the body, esp. of an extremity; localized necrosis of tissue; gangrene; an instance of this" So that's easy. Harder is Nick Burton's ossification. Ossification - from post-classical Latin - "The formation of bone; the normal or metaplastic process of forming bone; the condition of being ossified. In early use also: calcification, hardening---- 2 A bony formation or concretion; an area of bone formation. In early use also: a calcified concretion or area of calcification ----3 The process of becoming emotionally hardened or callous, or of becoming rigid or fixed in attitude, position, etc" So maybe John Brown's paralysis theory hits it on the bone... Sources for both : OED.

Hi, To me the word mortification means Dead coming from the french word Mort. and ossification coming from the french Os meaning bone... N'est-ce pas? Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brown" <john.dhb@btopenworld.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [SoG] Fw: Mortification. <Nickburton99@aol.com> wrote : > Similarly, a LE GRYS ancestor of a friend of mine apparently died of > 'ossification'! Any ideas? Aside from the obvious, which you noted yourself, my dictionary suggests 'becoming inflexible'; I wonder if this could, therefore, imply some form of paralysis ? Alternatively, isn't there an unpleasant medical condition that results in substantial additional bony growth ? John B Leic., Eng

In a message dated 17/02/05 10:46:20 GMT Standard Time, john.dhb@btopenworld.com writes: << Alternatively, isn't there an unpleasant medical condition that results in substantial additional bony growth ? >> Acromegaly? I have a gruesome picture of someone with this condition in an Anatomy and Physiology book. Cheers, Janet Heskins (Surbiton Surrey)

Beyond 'turning to bone' of course Nick

Similarly, a LE GRYS ancestor of a friend of mine apparently died of 'ossification'! Any ideas? Kind regards Nick

David, I can confirm Robin's suggestion that 'Mortification' is another term for Gangrene, which in turn is defined as mortification, or death of a part. Source Hadden's Pocket Vocabulary of Medical Terms (pub 1884). Regards, Geoff Wedmore.org.uk

As you say, small distinctions can indeed be significant. And Peter said "Aldworth Papers" - no colon, no TNA! Presumably he can clarify? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brown" <john.dhb@btopenworld.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [SoG] ALDWORTH > "David Wason" <wason@dial.pipex.com> wrote: > > >> Try - as almost always - Google: >> >> "Aldworth Papers" (ie in quotes, thus a phrase) brings up > > Thanks for that, David. I am not sure that this is necessarily what Peter > was asking about, as the phrase actually present at the TNA website (as > referred to) is "-------- Aldworth : Papers" rather than the "Aldworth > Papers". A very small distinction but could be significant. > > Either way, I don't think it does much for the fog surrounding my family > :-) > > John B > Leic., Eng >

I suspect that it may have meant gangrene but I am not at all certain. Robin Gain (Long retired Medic)

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> To: "SOGMAIL" <lists@sog.org.uk>; "KFHS Mailinglist" <kfhs@maillist.ox.ac.uk> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: Mortification. > I am transcribing Lenham,Kent burials 1558-1837. > Between June & October 1781,about 30 militia from various counties > were buried at Lenham after smallpox. > > But standing out amongst them was:- > > 1 Aug 1781 Benjamin PALMER 16th Lt (Light) D (Dragoon) > mortification! > > So what is mortification apart from something you die of? > > Medics on the list I am sure will oblige. > > Best, > > David Gilroy . > > 16 February 2005. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/05

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Perhaps we have here a mistranscription and the work is really "dafter". Easy, especially for those unfamiliar with the writing of the time, to misread F for a long S - although to be fair it is usually done the other way around! The Dictionary of Archaic Words (subtitled as Dictionary of Archaisms and Provincialisms) contains "Dafter - a daughter". Its area of usage is given as "East". Chris Watts ----- Original Message ----- From: "mfcn" <mfcn@nasongen.co.uk> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: [SoG] Daster = Daughter? | An English will of 1672 contains the word 'Daster', repeated several times | in conjunction with a name and in a context which almost certainly gives the | meaning 'daughter'. | | The orthography, based on usage throughout the will, provides no other | alternative spelling. | | A Google search produced transcripts of wills in which the same spelling is | encountered and interpreted as meaning daughter. My SOED has no such word. | | Can anyone comment on the origin of the word/spelling? Perhaps dialect, or | perhaps a device used by scribes of a certain school? | | Mike Nason | | | | -- | This email has been verified as Virus free | Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net |

An English will of 1672 contains the word 'Daster', repeated several times in conjunction with a name and in a context which almost certainly gives the meaning 'daughter'. The orthography, based on usage throughout the will, provides no other alternative spelling. A Google search produced transcripts of wills in which the same spelling is encountered and interpreted as meaning daughter. My SOED has no such word. Can anyone comment on the origin of the word/spelling? Perhaps dialect, or perhaps a device used by scribes of a certain school? Mike Nason

"David Wason" <wason@dial.pipex.com> wrote: > Try - as almost always - Google: > > "Aldworth Papers" (ie in quotes, thus a phrase) brings up Thanks for that, David. I am not sure that this is necessarily what Peter was asking about, as the phrase actually present at the TNA website (as referred to) is "-------- Aldworth : Papers" rather than the "Aldworth Papers". A very small distinction but could be significant. Either way, I don't think it does much for the fog surrounding my family :-) John B Leic., Eng

Have you tried the National Register of Archives? This is the first place of call when searching for such material - there are 5 sets of papers listed at various dates. The other is to try A2A. Both sites are accessible from the TNA website. Chris Watts

Try - as almost always - Google: "Aldworth Papers" (ie in quotes, thus a phrase) brings up http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ADAIR/2002-04/1017831433 with the following reference: LIBRARY OF VIRGINIA Colonial Records (Index).... 9. Mr. Adair - government official --- (Va) -- no date SR # 05381, page 1 Reel # 518 Title:Neville & ****Aldworth Papers.**** Under Secretary of State, Correspondence. Colonial: Bermuda; Canada; North America; West Indies. 1748 and no date Repository :Public Record Office Class Hope this helps David Wason