Having more trouble with my ntl connection I have not looked recently, but about a week ago the subject of the impending destruction of the Cards was being discussed on the newsgroup/List? of 1914-1918. There appeared to be disagreement of the number of cards with addresses on the reverse up to 30%! They were then saying a couple of people were contacting their MPs and getting replies plus that they were hopeful that another Government? department were in discussion regarding the siting of the Cards. Perhaps a Society member could look and see if there has been progress via that List? From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757. Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock; Mem. of Wells Assn. (GOONS Reg.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Warn" <philwarn@ntlworld.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 24 March 2005 23:35 PM Subject: [SoG] Grumpy Old Men <was> Scanning an old book? >> Incidentally, I did use TNA complaint's procedure to ask for the actual > figures for the WW1 Medal cards that had useful info on them and the > statistical breakdown for the claimed percentage, alas, I got no reply to > my contact. > > Many thanks, > > Phil.

> From: Brian Randell <Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:23:43 +0000 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SoG] software for Macs > PPS I also strongly recommend moving from Mac OS 9 to OS 10. Couldn't agree more. Our business uses three Macs, two of which are up to 10.3.8 BUT there is no way that I am going to OSX this one! It's replacement will be another G5, but I have seen the chaos that can be let loose when sticking OS10 onto an OS9 system. Took us weeks to unravel the mess. ---- Peter Amsden, Argyll, Scotland ASAT Productions: http://www.asat.biz Researching Amsden World Wide Outline History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~amsden Books I have written: http://www.btinternet.com/~amsden AllExperts: http://www.allexperts.com/displayExpert.asp?Expert=38044 Never dump originals - they may be all that is left after the computer age.

I do not have the time to waste replying in too much detail to Tim P-L's long winded reply, with most of which I totally disagree! Visions of putting up straw men come to mind . . . I shall make the following points: 1. Tim assumes that the new scanner plus PC and printer would be used as a replacement for one or more photocopiers ("could go where the photocopiers now are"). I deliberately made no such assumption. Apart from the fact that this is only an A4 scanner and the photocopiers take up to A3 size originals, the concept of the PC illiterate (as many library users still are) let loose on such a setup as he suggests would be a recipe for disaster!. No, a more realistic use of such a scanner would be for staff and volunteer use, perhaps scanning books for CD-ROM or online access. My best case scenario could then apply. 2. Despite having been on the Society's Executive Committee, and so presumably aware of the limited financial resources under which the Society currently operates, Tim suggests a Rolls Royce solution . . . - 3 year PC replacement cycles are both unrealistic and unnecessary for the simple uses to which most of the computers are used at the Society. The age profile of the PCs in use will bear this out - of course staff and volunteer time is taken in trying to monitor use of networked laser printers, but that is what already happens to 3 such printers in the lower library (for Internet, CD-ROMs and film scanner). Coin slot operated printers are simply far too expensive a proposition at present - it would really put off sponsors if it was suggested that they should also provide for the eventual replacement costs of everything they sponsor. Why no go the whole hog and suggest that they should pay for the running costs too? 3. With over 25 years IT experience and the person who was responsible for the selection and installation of all the Society's PCs and printers between about 1995 and 2003, my hardware suggestions were for reliable, quality kit at the best possible price - Dell's advertising policy is to headline low PC prices but charge high prices for additional or replacement components such as more memory. This works to the Society's advantage when only a basic model is required. The model chosen (E-value Code NPIUK4-D03241) comes from Dell's March Business booklet - and it was not even one of the reduced price sale items - Dell sell mainly rebadged Lexmark printers. Published printer comparisons usually place Lexmark print output quality below HP, Epson, and Brother. I have bought Brother printers for the Society and use them at home without problems. - A printer is a peripheral not a component and if there is a problem use the printer with another PC to determine where the problem lies. So there is absolutely no reason to buy the same make of printer as the PC unless you belong to a large organisation which has a binding cost saving contract with Dell to do so. I have worked for such an organisation . . . - the Dell PC specified included a 1 year return to base repair service. On site maintenance contracts are the ideal but when money is tight and there are volunteers who can carry out basic IT repairs, the risk of doing without is probably worth it This is longer than I intended and I could go on . . . I shall not reply to any further messages on this subject. Cheers, John John Addis-Smith Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, England

Hi: At 12:22 pm +0000 24/3/05, Peter Amsden wrote: >I use a Mac G4 running 9.2.2 with Reunion and I am surprised that iBook is >not compatible. > >Mark you, I do use version 5 and this may be the problem. The later versions >may only run on OSX. > >As Tim says, Reunion does have a web site. If their current versions will >only run on Mac OSX it may be possible to find an earlier version on eBay or >some such. > >I am pretty certain that version 5 will not run on OSX, but I have never >felt the need to try it on the G5, so I can't be definitive. I use Reunion 7, as a classic (OS 9) application, though I'm basically using OS 10.3. I would expect that the same would be possible for version 5. Out of curiosity I have just checked with Leister's web-site, where I read: >When you buy Reunion 8, you receive one CD with Reunion for OS X and >Reunion for OS 8.5 to 9.2. That's right, two different applications, >virtually identical in functionality, but each one optimized and >designed for its native OS Cheers Brian Randell PS I concur with Tim's praise for Reunion - though in actual fact I also use the rather creaky LDS Personal Ancestral File. (For security purposes I like to have not just multiple copies of my database but also multiple versions.) PPS I also strongly recommend moving from Mac OS 9 to OS 10. -- School of Computing Science, University of Newcastle, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/~brian.randell/

I use a Mac G4 running 9.2.2 with Reunion and I am surprised that iBook is not compatible. Mark you, I do use version 5 and this may be the problem. The later versions may only run on OSX. As Tim says, Reunion does have a web site. If their current versions will only run on Mac OSX it may be possible to find an earlier version on eBay or some such. I am pretty certain that version 5 will not run on OSX, but I have never felt the need to try it on the G5, so I can't be definitive. Peter Amsden, Argyll, Scotland ASAT Productions: http://www.asat.biz Researching Amsden World Wide Outline History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~amsden Books I have written: http://www.btinternet.com/~amsden AllExperts: http://www.allexperts.com/displayExpert.asp?Expert=38044 Never dump originals - they may be all that is left after the computer age. > From: "A.G.Hamilton" <ag.hamilton22@virgin.net> > Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:06:43 +0000 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] software for Macs > Resent-From: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:07:16 -0700 > > In the recent correspondence about drawing trees Peter Abbot mentioned using > Reunion for a Mac. I use an iBook Mac OS 9.2 and can find no genealogy > software that I can use on it. Any advice or suggestions please. Angela > Hamilton >

In message of 24 Mar, "A.G.Hamilton" <ag.hamilton22@virgin.net> wrote: > In the recent correspondence about drawing trees Peter Abbot mentioned using > Reunion for a Mac. I use an iBook Mac OS 9.2 and can find no genealogy > software that I can use on it. Any advice or suggestions please. Angela > Hamilton No idea about iBooks but Reunion is available on: www.leisterpro.com It says on that site that Reunion will run on an iBook. Reunion is seriously good and well supported software and I'm even tempted to buy a small mac to run it as a replacement for Generations on PCs and whose files can be ported to Reunion. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

In the recent correspondence about drawing trees Peter Abbot mentioned using Reunion for a Mac. I use an iBook Mac OS 9.2 and can find no genealogy software that I can use on it. Any advice or suggestions please. Angela Hamilton

Thanks to all who responded and the various suggestions. I have been sent a software patch which works so I am back in business. This shows another benefit of being a member of SOG Peter

In message of 23 Mar, "Chris" <chris@masquerade.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Peter, > > I fully re-installed Generations, then installed the patch for Chart, > and all works just fine. > > If you do need to move from generations, then I'd suggest The Master > Genealogist (TMG) which imports directly from Generations - rather > than needing to go via GEDCOM. While it does take a bit of learning, > once you are on top of it - TMG is very good. May I corroborate this for TMG. There is no other way of extracting all your information from your Generations file: GEDCOM is not sufficient for this purpose, data is always lost. > > regards > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Abbott [mailto:PeterAbbott.Eymore@btinternet.com] > Sent: 23 March 2005 14:34 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] Drawing Family Trees > > > I have been using Generations 8.5 for sometime (originally as reunion on a > mac). I like the features of the chart program. I am now using Windows XP > Pro and the colour translation to a printer does not work and the chart > program is unusable. I cannot go back to an earlier operating system. I think you can run an earlier operating system under XP, I have heard people talk about doing that. But I don't use XP myself so cannot help. > I have posted a message on the forum and others are having the same > problem. As far as I know the software is not be maintained or > updated and no fixes are available. > > Does anyone know of software that works similar to the Chart program in > Generations. I have tried Rootsmagic demo and it will not import my flags > and notes at present. The chart features would be acceptable if I could > guarantee to import all of the fields from my GEDCOM file. Curiously this original note of Peter Abbot's has yet to get to me. There is a fix for this Chart problem with Generations and somewhere I have the file to do that fix. If I can be given a firm real e-address, I'll forward it there (too many people have to munge their addresses these days to avoid spam). -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

In message of 23 Mar, John Addis-Smith <genl@addisgen.com> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:36:46 GMT, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> > wrote: > > Anyhow the Plustek book scanner looks very interesting, though I > > suspect the sponsorship to The Society would need to be nearer > > £1,000 to provide the necessary PC with monitor and printer as well. > > The deployment of the scanner would be decided by the Librarian with > advice from the IT Working Party. Perhaps it could go where the photocopiers now are, thereby not taking any space. > > In the best case scenario no further equipment would need to be > purchased, as the scanner would be connected to an existing PC and > print through one of the several network connected printers already > present. A networked printer would indeed be usable save for the little problem of the odd person who might print off several sheets of paper, collect them and then walk out without paying (deliberately or otherwise but this has happened). The current solution is, I understand, to put the printer in a place accessible only by volunteers but this requires a person to spend time sorting out who own which piece of paper and handing them out to the right persons. The other problem of using an existing PC is that it then becomes unusable for its current purpose. My view is that a totally self-contained unit on open access would be better. It should have no connection to the network to avoid virus costs. And that unit would need a coin in the slot machine similar to the current photocopiers that are on open access. This would obviously increase the costs. > In the worst case scenario one would buy all the equipment, but this > need only cost: > - PC Dell Dimension 2400 £199, which includes 17" CRT monitor and > CD-ROM drive (plus £29 for a CD-RW drive) While the Society _must_ pursue its own purchasing policy which might very well not be Dell, let's continue the pricing on the assumption that Dell it is. Weird. I've just had a look at the Dell site and it is very clear that a Dimension 2400 costs £510 and upwards. Further a system with 17 inch TFT monitor (preferable for heat and electricity reasons) plus 3 years service plus black and white laser printer is £752 including VAT and shipping. There are cheaper Dell machines, though, but none at £199. > - Brother HL 5139 laser printer £120 (from Simply Computers, now taken > over by Misco) Nil, use Dell printer, above. (It is better to buy as many components as possible from the one supplier.) > So the total cost would be £462 (scanner £143, PC £199, printer £120) > which excludes VAT, since the Society would get that back. There > would be a few more pounds for delivery of these items. Subtract 17.5% from the Dell price gives £640. Plus the scanner gives £783. Plus installation and customisation (so it will only run the scanner software), say £100. Sub-total £883. Add in a coin-in-the-slot box. No idea of the price. Let's guess at £250. Sub-total £1033. I have not included anything for consumables (electricity, ink, paper) and assume these would be covered by the coins in the slot. Perhaps the charge per copy could be reduced from the current 20p a sheet if a donor was paying for the machine so I have no idea what the charge per copy should be. Now the problem that all businesses have to bear in mind - and SoG should use business practices for its costings. Depreciation. All machinery depreciates and the product proposal must include depreciation. By and large the recommendation is that desktop PCs are replaced every three years. This means that at the end of each year, £340 must be put aside to pay for replacement. What should the donor do about depreciation? If the Society accepts the gift, then it is increasing its costs by the annual depreciation. The Society might take the view that it cannot afford to increase its costs so reluctantly has to refuse the gift. So the donor has to add in something for the depreciation, perhaps he (she) has to commit to paying the depreciation at least for the next three years? So, over three years, the donor would have shelled out double the above sub-total, at £2066. And, over six years this is £3099 (though the prices of things will undoubtedly have changed at the end of the first depreciation period). > So the estimate of around £1,000 is rather misleading and might put > off a potential donor of the scanner. Well I really wish the project could be costed in the way that you recommend, but I just cannot see those figures on Dell's site. Are you sure that this price is what was there for a Dell Dimension 2400? Oh, and I nearly forgot, two of these bits of kit might be needed, one on each of the middle and top floors. Double all the donor's costs! Sounds like more than one donor would need to be found. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Peter. If you have not already done so try first of all saving the chart in it's "wrong" colours then re-open the file, I seem to recall that the chart then reverts to it's true colours. Hope this helps. David Tappin d.tappin@ntlworld.com Family Personal Web Pages www.tappin.org.uk Family Genealogy Web Pages http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.tappin -----Original Message----- From: Peter Abbott [mailto:PeterAbbott.Eymore@btinternet.com] Sent: 23 March 2005 14:34 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SoG] Drawing Family Trees I have been using Generations 8.5 for sometime (originally as reunion on a mac). I like the features of the chart program. I am now using Windows XP Pro and the colour translation to a printer does not work and the chart program is unusable. I cannot go back to an earlier operating system. I have posted a message on the forum and others are having the same problem. As far as I know the software is not be maintained or updated and no fixes are available. Does anyone know of software that works similar to the Chart program in Generations. I have tried Rootsmagic demo and it will not import my flags and notes at present. The chart features would be acceptable if I could guarantee to import all of the fields from my GEDCOM file. Thanks Peter

The charting package in Reunion/ generations is actually Treedraw, which is available separately, XP compatible. When I had this problem, I abandoned Reunion and moved all my data to Legacy with no problems and now use treedraw Legacy, which reads the Legacy files direct, with no need for an intermediate gedcom. Ken Peter Abbott wrote: > I have been using Generations 8.5 for sometime (originally as reunion > on a mac). I like the features of the chart program. I am now using > Windows XP Pro and the colour translation to a printer does not work > and the chart program is unusable. I cannot go back to an earlier > operating system. I have posted a message on the forum and others are > having the same problem. As far as I know the software is not be > maintained or updated and no fixes are available. > > Does anyone know of software that works similar to the Chart program > in Generations. I have tried Rootsmagic demo and it will not import my > flags and notes at present. The chart features would be acceptable if > I could guarantee to import all of the fields from my GEDCOM file. > > Thanks > > Peter

I gave up using Generations for the same reason. TWR Computing advertise a fix for this to make it compatible with XP (version 8.5a) but this appears to be out of stock - might be worth talking to them anyway - http://www.twrcomputing.co.uk/ Alternatively have a look at Genbox for particularly good charting - http://www.genbox.com - or Family Historian is also strong in this area - http://www.family-historian.co.uk/. Ruth On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:34:15 +0000, Peter Abbott <PeterAbbott.Eymore@btinternet.com> wrote: > I have been using Generations 8.5 for sometime (originally as reunion on a > mac). I like the features of the chart program. I am now using Windows XP > Pro and the colour translation to a printer does not work and the chart > program is unusable. I cannot go back to an earlier operating system. I > have posted a message on the forum and others are having the same problem. > As far as I know the software is not be maintained or updated and no fixes > are available. > > Does anyone know of software that works similar to the Chart program in > Generations. I have tried Rootsmagic demo and it will not import my flags > and notes at present. The chart features would be acceptable if I could > guarantee to import all of the fields from my GEDCOM file. > > Thanks > > Peter > >

Peter, I fully re-installed Generations, then installed the patch for Chart, and all works just fine. If you do need to move from generations, then I'd suggest The Master Genealogist (TMG) which imports directly from Generations - rather than needing to go via GEDCOM. While it does take a bit of learning, once you are on top of it - TMG is very good. regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: Peter Abbott [mailto:PeterAbbott.Eymore@btinternet.com] Sent: 23 March 2005 14:34 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SoG] Drawing Family Trees I have been using Generations 8.5 for sometime (originally as reunion on a mac). I like the features of the chart program. I am now using Windows XP Pro and the colour translation to a printer does not work and the chart program is unusable. I cannot go back to an earlier operating system. I have posted a message on the forum and others are having the same problem. As far as I know the software is not be maintained or updated and no fixes are available. Does anyone know of software that works similar to the Chart program in Generations. I have tried Rootsmagic demo and it will not import my flags and notes at present. The chart features would be acceptable if I could guarantee to import all of the fields from my GEDCOM file. Thanks Peter

I have been using Generations 8.5 for sometime (originally as reunion on a mac). I like the features of the chart program. I am now using Windows XP Pro and the colour translation to a printer does not work and the chart program is unusable. I cannot go back to an earlier operating system. I have posted a message on the forum and others are having the same problem. As far as I know the software is not be maintained or updated and no fixes are available. Does anyone know of software that works similar to the Chart program in Generations. I have tried Rootsmagic demo and it will not import my flags and notes at present. The chart features would be acceptable if I could guarantee to import all of the fields from my GEDCOM file. Thanks Peter

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:36:46 GMT, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: >Anyhow the Plustek book scanner looks very interesting, though I >suspect the sponsorship to The Society would need to be nearer £1,000 to >provide the necessary PC with monitor and printer as well. The deployment of the scanner would be decided by the Librarian with advice from the IT Working Party. In the best case scenario no further equipment would need to be purchased, as the scanner would be connected to an existing PC and print through one of the several network connected printers already present. In the worst case scenario one would buy all the equipment, but this need only cost: - PC Dell Dimension 2400 £199, which includes 17" CRT monitor and CD-ROM drive (plus £29 for a CD-RW drive) - Brother HL 5139 laser printer £120 (from Simply Computers, now taken over by Misco) So the total cost would be £462 (scanner £143, PC £199, printer £120) which excludes VAT, since the Society would get that back. There would be a few more pounds for delivery of these items. So the estimate of around £1,000 is rather misleading and might put off a potential donor of the scanner. Cheers, John John Addis-Smith Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, England

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Amsden" <amsden@btinternet.com> > > Remember when 1 million pixels was a dream? You can now buy mini versions > with eight million. Oh well! Yes, but my 1.3 MP cheapie produced better pictures without flash, probably because the large old clunky pixels were less prone to camera shake than the new multi-mega pixel versions. Pickard Trepess

Hi Phil, Having used a handheld scanner in my 'early days', I found it very hard to scan absolutely straight, and to stitch together things well. This is especially true on a book. I regularly use a digital camera to photograph documents. You need to make sure it has a close-up setting - my Fuji for example works from about 1/2m to 2m on close-up, but my older 'cheapie' focussed only at 20 cm - still very good, but not enough for an A4 page, which had to be done in 2 halves. If possible, it would be worth setting up a mini rig, to do the job. Perhaps a frame, to carefully hold the page you are photographing flat, with something to hold the rest of the book open, but not full flat. You will need very good lighting, an experiment with both regular (incandescent) lamps, fluorescent lamps, Daylight bulbs, and perhaps even a mini fluorescent 'torch' lamp, to correct the contrast and remove background colours. You can try the flash too, that sometimes helps. As has been said, the main problem is the size of the images, being in full colour. There was a mention of Paint-shop-Pro or similar being used to convert the picture to two colour (B&W). If the background is reasonably white, this is very possible, but shades of grey and brown make this a very haphazard operation. PSP is however very good at colour replacement, so if the book is lit well, I am sure you could make sure the text is very black and the background some other colour that can be swapped out. However, a good OCR program should be able to extract the text from a full colour picture. so you may not need to mess about processing the picture. I use OmniPage Pro, which does some wonderful things. The newer versions are pretty good. The usual caveats should apply to a family history drawn up by a third party <g> Good luck Pickard Trepess Nagykanizsa, Hungary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Warn" <philwarn@ntlworld.com> > Could some one suggest whether a hand held scanner would the best bet for > scanning an old book? > > I do not like the idea of using a flat bed scanner because of the fragility > of this 94 year old book about the Warne Family in America. > > The devices I have seen contain some local memory and I do not mind having > to "stitch" together images to from an A4 page before OCR'ing the image so > formed. > > Apart from a few pictures and a couple of hand drawn Coats of Arms, the > rest is text. > > I see a hand held device as not having any ill effect on the spine, etc. > > I want to be able to produce a Word Document or PDF file from the scanned > images of the pages. > > Any thoughts would be most welcome. > > Has any one used a digital camera for this purpose, for example?

Hi Phil I am not sure where you live but there are now quite a few Family History Societies that have book scanners where you can lay your precious book face up on the bed of the scanner and then a picture is taken from above about two feet away so you do not have to press down on the book or squash the binding, they even have a mirror at the back which will work out and compensate for page curvature at the centre We at the Berkshire FHS in Reading have one and I am sure that some arrangement could be made to scan in your book, however I am not sure if you live in the UK and if so are you anywhere near to Reading. Regards Gillian (events coordinator for Berks FHS) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Warn" <philwarn@ntlworld.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: [SoG] Scanning an old book > Hi gang, > > Generally, you are a very knowledgeable lot! > > Could some one suggest whether a hand held scanner would the best bet for > scanning an old book? > > I do not like the idea of using a flat bed scanner because of the fragility > of this 94 year old book about the Warne Family in America. > > The devices I have seen contain some local memory and I do not mind having > to "stitch" together images to from an A4 page before OCR'ing the image so > formed. > > Apart from a few pictures and a couple of hand drawn Coats of Arms, the > rest is text. > > I see a hand held device as not having any ill effect on the spine, etc. > > I want to be able to produce a Word Document or PDF file from the scanned > images of the pages. > > Any thoughts would be most welcome. > > Has any one used a digital camera for this purpose, for example? > > Many thanks > > Phil. > > >

I watched a peculiar 'drama-documentary' on BBC2 tonight entitled 'If... TV Goes Down the Tube'. The drama part was set in 2016 suggesting that TV programmes would be seen on the internet and the internet on TV and that the BBC was up for sale. A girl in a reality show committed suicide but no one was responsible because it was actually an internet show and not covered by Ofwat (or whatever the TV programmes regulator is called) and could not be regulated. The documentary part seemed to suggest that we would be paying so much per second for everything we accessed online. Funny, but I thought we sort of did that already, by paying for broadband, phone bills, etc.. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757. Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock; Mem. of Wells Assn. (GOONS Reg.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <TebbuA@aol.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 21 March 2005 12:14 PM Subject: [SoG] Something more to worry about! > Those of you who have read the latest ed'n of Computer Active ( March 2005, > page 7 ) will no doubt be alarmed by gov't proposals to licence PCs. This > came to light in the recent green paper on the BBC's charter. It seems that we > are downloading too much from the BBC for free and are making it too difficult > to collect licence fees. ( What happened to all those lads in vans hiding > around the corner? ) The proposal is to charge the same as the TV licence fee > sometime after the renewal of the BBC's charter in 2006. Think about the > implications for business and education, let alone our researches. As these things are > not dreamt up overnight we can now perhaps understand why Mr Blair was so > keen, a couple of years ago, that we should all have internet access! > Don't forget The Medal Cards! Mike Tebbutt. > > > > > > > This email has been scanned for viruses by NetBenefit using Sophos anti-virus technology