I am only the messenger - Malcolm's solution would mean scrolling down for the main navigation something even more people object too. Like or not our records show that lecture ticket sales go up with a pop-up - the addition of the travel message is temporary until we work out a workable alternative - I do use it sparingly more that can be said of the TNA whose pop-up is permanent . But the message needs to get to more than the several '00s people who are on the News distribution - the website gets between 1000 and 2000 user sessions per day about 30% go via the homepage. I will bear the comment in mind and see if there is another way but I assume I should avoid flashing lights or even worse sound! Chris At 22:17 22/07/2005, Malcolm Austen wrote: >David Tappin wrote: >>I consider myself to be sensible > >Yes David, most of us are ... well, most of the time we are ;-) > >>and suppress pop ups as a rule but what's wrong with > > setting up your browser to accept pop ups from SoG by exception >>as I and no doubt many others do for sites that they choose to trust? > >I considered doing that, and then remembered that my browser of choice, >although one of the first to allow pop-ups to be suppressed, doesn't allow >me to be site specific about the pop-up action. That said, I wouldn't want >to set up an exception list. There are thousands of sites that I trust and >I'm not going get around to putting them all in an exception list ... but >if I don't, the pop-ups are liable to be suppressed without my ever >realizing there is something worth making an exception for. > >Clearly, I dislike pop-ups :-) ... but then Chris started out by >classifying them as irritating and there are plenty of non-irritating ways >of getting my attention - including an email to SoG-NEWS! I shall continue >to ignore the flag my browser puts up to say that a pop-up has been suppressed. > >= Malcolm. > > >This email has been scanned for viruses by NetBenefit using Sophos >anti-virus technology > Chris Broomfield, Webmaster, Society of Genealogists, London webmaster@sog.org.uk www.sog.org.uk On-line retail shopping? Use www.buy.at/genealogists our affiliate shop and SoG gains funds at no cost to you

David Tappin wrote: > I consider myself to be sensible Yes David, most of us are ... well, most of the time we are ;-) > and suppress pop ups as a rule but what's wrong with > setting up your browser to accept pop ups from SoG by exception > as I and no doubt many others do for sites that they choose to trust? I considered doing that, and then remembered that my browser of choice, although one of the first to allow pop-ups to be suppressed, doesn't allow me to be site specific about the pop-up action. That said, I wouldn't want to set up an exception list. There are thousands of sites that I trust and I'm not going get around to putting them all in an exception list ... but if I don't, the pop-ups are liable to be suppressed without my ever realizing there is something worth making an exception for. Clearly, I dislike pop-ups :-) ... but then Chris started out by classifying them as irritating and there are plenty of non-irritating ways of getting my attention - including an email to SoG-NEWS! I shall continue to ignore the flag my browser puts up to say that a pop-up has been suppressed. = Malcolm.

Though unlikely, I suppose, it is possible that the SoG website might be spoofed as part of a phishing scam, and if so then the integrity of any popups generated by the spoofed site obviously cannot be taken for granted. I know the SoG is not a bank but it nevertheless deals with membership accounts, and by implication commercial transactions and contact details, even if indirectly. I treat the SoG website with the same form of security that I do Paypal et al. Lawrence. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Tappin [mailto:d.tappin@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 22 July 2005 20:03 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [SoG] [SoG-NEWS] New on Website > > > Malcolm. > > I consider myself to be sensible and suppress pop ups as a > rule but what's > wrong with setting up your browser to accept pop ups from SoG > by exception > as I and no doubt many others do for sites that they choose to trust? > > Regards. > > David Tappin > d.tappin@ntlworld.com > Family Personal Web Pages www.tappin.org.uk > Family Genealogy Web Pages http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.tappin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Austen [mailto:malcolm.austen.rw@weald.org.uk] > Sent: 22 July 2005 19:19 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SoG] [SoG-NEWS] New on Website > > > webmaster@sog.org.uk wrote: > > 1. An irritating pop up - but we do need it as it sells lecture > > tickets > > and currently is used to warn users to check by phone > before travelling > > to the Society. We hope to be able to use the pop-up to > alert people to > > unscheduled closures. > > Chris, > > Please don't put anything in the pop-up that you want me to > read - in common > > with all sensible people, I have my browser set to suppress > such pop-ups. > I'm > afraid the world's got too many baddies in it for me to allow > pop-ups for > one > good egg! > > At the moment, half the pop-up content is already on the > front page, I see > no > advantage in a pop-up over a newsflash box at the head of the > page as I use > on > http://www.ofhs.org.uk ... but that's just my view. > > = Malcolm. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: > 21/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005

Malcolm. I consider myself to be sensible and suppress pop ups as a rule but what's wrong with setting up your browser to accept pop ups from SoG by exception as I and no doubt many others do for sites that they choose to trust? Regards. David Tappin d.tappin@ntlworld.com Family Personal Web Pages www.tappin.org.uk Family Genealogy Web Pages http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.tappin -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Austen [mailto:malcolm.austen.rw@weald.org.uk] Sent: 22 July 2005 19:19 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] [SoG-NEWS] New on Website webmaster@sog.org.uk wrote: > 1. An irritating pop up - but we do need it as it sells lecture > tickets > and currently is used to warn users to check by phone before travelling > to the Society. We hope to be able to use the pop-up to alert people to > unscheduled closures. Chris, Please don't put anything in the pop-up that you want me to read - in common with all sensible people, I have my browser set to suppress such pop-ups. I'm afraid the world's got too many baddies in it for me to allow pop-ups for one good egg! At the moment, half the pop-up content is already on the front page, I see no advantage in a pop-up over a newsflash box at the head of the page as I use on http://www.ofhs.org.uk ... but that's just my view. = Malcolm.

webmaster@sog.org.uk wrote: > 1. An irritating pop up - but we do need it as it sells lecture tickets > and currently is used to warn users to check by phone before travelling > to the Society. We hope to be able to use the pop-up to alert people to > unscheduled closures. Chris, Please don't put anything in the pop-up that you want me to read - in common with all sensible people, I have my browser set to suppress such pop-ups. I'm afraid the world's got too many baddies in it for me to allow pop-ups for one good egg! At the moment, half the pop-up content is already on the front page, I see no advantage in a pop-up over a newsflash box at the head of the page as I use on http://www.ofhs.org.uk ... but that's just my view. = Malcolm.

Census News from Canada! Surprisingly quickly, and early for a census, the 1911 Census images are now online at ArchiviaNet. I'm finally able to answer a nagging question about one of my distant relatives and realize someone had earlier misread a 7 for a 9! Alas I had only a couple of relatives here at that time - I have yet to tackle my grandfather in Toronto before his family arrived! That may take some time. <G> It's necessary to know where they [hopefully] were, and to trawl a lot of images, but there's lots of detail when you get to them. Good luck ! Catherine Alberta <>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: [CAN-BC] Post 1901 Census - 1911 Census images now online Greetings All. My thanks to Peggy Johnson who just sent me an email to advise that scanned images of the 1911 National Census of Canada are now online and accessible at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/index-e.html Thanks also go to Ian E. Wilson, Librarian and Archivist of Canada, and the staff at Library and Archives Canada for their hard work in putting these valuable records online sooner than was expected. This will now enable volunteers to begin indexing the 1911 records. Pardon me while I go surfing for my ancestors in 1911. <]:-) Enjoy the Census! Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC Permission to forward without notice is granted -- There are no attachments to this Email message unless specifically stated in subject line or in the body of this message. Message scanned by Norton AntiVirus - last updated 20th July 2005

Try contacting Air Force Association of Canada, PO Box 2460 Stn.D, Ottawa ON, K1P 5W6 or e-mail their historian Fred Aldworth at aldworth@airforce.ca. I have, in te past, found him to be very helpful. Dave Ostler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Susanne Bakar" <lsb255@hotmail.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: [SoG] RCAF Records WWII > Hi, > Does anyone on the List have an address in Canada for obtaining Royal > Canadian Air Force Records for the WWII period? I emailed the Archives > but have not had a reply. > Thank you for your input, > Best regards, > Lois S. Bakar > California, U.S.A. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > This email has been scanned for viruses by NetBenefit using Sophos anti-virus technology -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005

Nick The Great War Rootsweb list includes a number of people with the knowledge and expertise you need, who answer questions like this almost daily. To subscribe, send a message with 'subscribe' (without the quotes) in the body of the message to: GREATWAR-D-request@rootsweb.com Ken REsearching MYCOCK/ MICOCK any time anywhere Nickburton99@aol.com wrote: >Dear All > >I wonder if anyone can help? My mother is going to visit the battlefields >of France in a few weeks time. Her father, WILLIAM JAMES PRINCE, born 1895, >served during WW1. He was on the Somme on his 21st birthday, and , as he put >it, 'just for a change', at Passendale the following year. He was wounded in >Flanders (I don't know how), and , I think, returned to duty thereafter. He >was a member of the Royal Artillery, the 12th or 13th Siege Battery >(possibly both?) and he was Gunner 58885. > >Can anyone help me with any info about him or his deployment during the war, >or any other details which may be of interest, or info of any sources which >may be able to help? > >Thanks in advance > >Kind regards > >Nick Burton > > > > >

Thank you Chris, for the info and website. I have found an address there. Much obliged, Lois >From: "Chris Watts" <ml@ctwatts.plus.com> >Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SoG] RCAF Records WWII >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:37:04 +0100 > >See http://www.genealogy.gc.ca/10/100907_e.html > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lois Susanne Bakar" <lsb255@hotmail.com> >To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:31 PM >Subject: [SoG] RCAF Records WWII > > >Hi, > Does anyone on the List have an address in Canada for obtaining Royal >Canadian Air Force Records for the WWII period? I emailed the Archives but >have not had a reply. > Thank you for your input, >Best regards, >Lois S. Bakar >California, U.S.A. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > >-- >This email has been verified as Virus free >Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Dear All I wonder if anyone can help? My mother is going to visit the battlefields of France in a few weeks time. Her father, WILLIAM JAMES PRINCE, born 1895, served during WW1. He was on the Somme on his 21st birthday, and , as he put it, 'just for a change', at Passendale the following year. He was wounded in Flanders (I don't know how), and , I think, returned to duty thereafter. He was a member of the Royal Artillery, the 12th or 13th Siege Battery (possibly both?) and he was Gunner 58885. Can anyone help me with any info about him or his deployment during the war, or any other details which may be of interest, or info of any sources which may be able to help? Thanks in advance Kind regards Nick Burton

"Arthur & Pauline Kennedy" <akpak@waitrose.com> wrote : > From: "PeterGoodey" > >> The best method I can see appears to be to use advanced search and enter >> "Missing OR Wanting" in the Notes field. This seems to hold good for >> 1841-1881. For 1891 and 1901, entering the same term in Scope and >> Contents >> seems to work. > This might work where a complete piece is missing (or wanting), but I've > come across a piece where only part is missing (the part where my family > is, > naturally) and the catalogue makes no reference to this. I could see the > value of some kind of user-contributed listing to cover cases like this. I think you're right on both counts. The TNA catalogue doesn't seem to make much, if any, reference to missing pages within pieces, and this is a potential problem. The individual street indexes, for those areas that have been indexed, generally indicate missing house numbers, streets etc, but I've never seen any consolidated record of these and there are then the many areas that have not been so indexed. It does seem like an exercise waiting to be undertaken. John B Leic., Eng

See http://www.genealogy.gc.ca/10/100907_e.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Susanne Bakar" <lsb255@hotmail.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: [SoG] RCAF Records WWII Hi, Does anyone on the List have an address in Canada for obtaining Royal Canadian Air Force Records for the WWII period? I emailed the Archives but have not had a reply. Thank you for your input, Best regards, Lois S. Bakar California, U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net

Be patient, or look in their online catalogue, Archives Canada's website state that it takes about 5 weeks to get a reply from them. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Susanne Bakar" <lsb255@hotmail.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: [SoG] RCAF Records WWII Hi, Does anyone on the List have an address in Canada for obtaining Royal Canadian Air Force Records for the WWII period? I emailed the Archives but have not had a reply. Thank you for your input, Best regards, Lois S. Bakar California, U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net

According to the FRC's population tables the village in question (Tregynon, MGY in RG9/4252) had 703 people living in it, but only 195 appear on the returns. The surviving pages are fo85 p7 to fo88 p14; the enumeration district summary pages for Tregynon are missing, and the one preceding page 7 refers to an entirely different parish. The population figures suggest that there are pages missing after fo88. This book contains a number of small villages, many of which seem to be intact, so the answer to your question is that it was just part of a book, though I couldn't say what proportion. Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "PeterGoodey" <peter.goodey.gen@gmail.com> > Do you mind me asking whether that was a whole book (or books) missing or > part of a book? > > I'm wondering how much has to be missing before they bother to mention it in > the catalogue. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Arthur & Pauline Kennedy [mailto:akpak@waitrose.com] > > > > This might work where a complete piece is missing (or wanting), but I've > > come across a piece where only part is missing (the part where my family > > is, > > naturally) and the catalogue makes no reference to this. I could see the > > value of some kind of user-contributed listing to cover cases like this. > > > > Arthur Kennedy

Do you mind me asking whether that was a whole book (or books) missing or part of a book? I'm wondering how much has to be missing before they bother to mention it in the catalogue. > -----Original Message----- > From: Arthur & Pauline Kennedy [mailto:akpak@waitrose.com] > Sent: 20 July 2005 20:32 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SoG] Lost or destroyed original census books > > This might work where a complete piece is missing (or wanting), but I've > come across a piece where only part is missing (the part where my family > is, > naturally) and the catalogue makes no reference to this. I could see the > value of some kind of user-contributed listing to cover cases like this. > > Arthur Kennedy >

This might work where a complete piece is missing (or wanting), but I've come across a piece where only part is missing (the part where my family is, naturally) and the catalogue makes no reference to this. I could see the value of some kind of user-contributed listing to cover cases like this. Arthur Kennedy ----- Original Message ----- From: "PeterGoodey" > Following on from the point about the inconsistency in recording "missing" > or "wanting" in the catalogue, I can't see a universally foolproof way of > listing all missing pieces from any particular census. > > The best method I can see appears to be to use advanced search and enter > "Missing OR Wanting" in the Notes field. This seems to hold good for > 1841-1881. For 1891 and 1901, entering the same term in Scope and Contents > seems to work. > > I've no idea how foolproof this is because I don't have any data to check > the results against. > > Has anyone else got any comments?

Hi, Does anyone on the List have an address in Canada for obtaining Royal Canadian Air Force Records for the WWII period? I emailed the Archives but have not had a reply. Thank you for your input, Best regards, Lois S. Bakar California, U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Following on from the point about the inconsistency in recording "missing" or "wanting" in the catalogue, I can't see a universally foolproof way of listing all missing pieces from any particular census. The best method I can see appears to be to use advanced search and enter "Missing OR Wanting" in the Notes field. This seems to hold good for 1841-1881. For 1891 and 1901, entering the same term in Scope and Contents seems to work. I've no idea how foolproof this is because I don't have any data to check the results against. Has anyone else got any comments?

Very many thanks to the three Peters, the two Christophers, and to John, Ruth and Colin who all answered my question in their different ways. I hope I have not missed anyone. It appears that the Brighton Piece has gone for ever and its absence is not the result of error in the microfilming or accidental omission. No doubt I will have to check all fruitless searches similarly, to make sure I am not chasing shadows. Many thanks again to one and all, Jim Halsey

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brown" <john.dhb@btopenworld.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [SoG] Lost or destroyed original census books | "Ruth" <historyscape@gmail.com> wrote : | | | > This sparked my interest as I recently reported to Ancestry that part | > of Brighton appeared to be missing from its 1861 census product. This | > was part of the Palace district. Now I know the reason. If you look | > at the details of piece RG 9/601 on TNA's catalogue you will find a | > note which states the piece is "Wanting", i.e. missing. Slight technical nick-pit. Wanting and missing are not actually the same. Wanting means that the particular piece, or item, was not there on transfer to the PRO (now TNA). Missing means that it cannot now be located at TNA - i.e. it has been mislaid or misfiled (on the over 100 miles of shelving!). In the former case, the chances of it turning up are very slim indeed. In the latter case it should, hopefully, come to light in due course. Chris Watts