You will see that the pop-up has gone to be replaced by a server side include which we can use as an "information banner". Also for the time being the javascript which provided the "updated date" has also turned into an SSI so no Javascript alert either. Hope you all approve! Also to add the the "new of the Website" theme. I recommend you try www.sog.org.uk/sogcat/ and follow the link to SOGCAT - The Society of Genealogists Library Catalogue Online. But please read the Tutorial and use the FAQs before you shout "I can't find anything" and please not all at the same time!! regards Chris At 00:08 23/07/2005 +0100, you wrote: >webmaster@sog.org.uk wrote: >>I am only the messenger > >Understood Chris :-) > >>- Malcolm's solution would mean scrolling down for the main navigation >>something even more people object too. > >The answer to that is to have less on the front page but it's each to his >own and I won't turn this into a general web design debate :-) > >>Like or not our records show that lecture ticket sales go up with a pop-up > >I won't deny the statistics, but feel there are better ways ... > >>the addition of the travel message is temporary until we work out a >>workable alternative - I do use it sparingly more that can be said of the >>TNA whose pop-up is permanent . > >If the pop-up is there, then that's a very worthwhile use for it. I wasn't >aware the TNA site had a pop-up, I've never seen it! (Until I went to look >for it this evening, that is.) > >>I will bear the comment in mind and see if there is another way but I >>assume I should avoid flashing lights or even worse sound! > >As a practical suggestion Chris, to be less irritating to those who do see >the pop-up - how about setting a session cookie to control it so that it >only pops up on the first visit to the home page - or even pop-up (just >once) on a visit to /any/ page on the site. > >= Malcolm. > > >This email has been scanned for viruses by NetBenefit using Sophos >anti-virus technology > Chris Broomfield, Webmaster, Society of Genealogists, London webmaster@sog.org.uk www.sog.org.uk On-line retail shopping? Use www.buy.at/genealogists our affiliate shop and SoG gains funds at no cost to you

> What is the opposite of "single" in a marriage context? As far as I can see, the only politically correct status other than "single" is "widowed". Is this right? Hector Davie

Chris, Divorced people remarrying are described as "divorced" or "previous marriage dissolved" on the marriage certificate. Did you get this from the Times Online article? It's very badly worded, but it says "Divorced men and women are already described as such in marriage registers and on certificates" - meaning that they are described as "divorced", not "single". http://women.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,17909-1711204,00.html "Single" is used to describe someone who has never been married. "Divorced" and "widowed" are the alternatives for those previously married. -- Susan Deacon Wokingham, Berks, UK BOUNDS/SKYRME - HEF DANIEL/HARRIES - CMN PINFIELD-WELLS - WOR SHUARD - WOR Chris Watts wrote: > Has anybody noticed the proposal by ONS to do away with the words "spinster" > and "bachelor" in marriage regsiters - and to substitute the word "single". > Apparently this has been used for divorced people remarrying for some while.

Hello list, What is the opposite of "single" in a marriage context? Could it be "not single"? Might that mean "married"? Could it mean anything else?! Has bigamy become legal? If not, what is the point of the word "single"? Jim Halsey

Has anybody noticed the proposal by ONS to do away with the words "spinster" and "bachelor" in marriage regsiters - and to substitute the word "single". Apparently this has been used for divorced people remarrying for some while. I would hope that the SoG raises objection to this as it is a valuable piece of genealogical info. Chris

Does anybody on the list have easy access to the INdex to Marriages for Western Australia for 1961-1962? There are copies at the JS Battye Library in Perth and at the State Library in Victoria. If so would you be willing to check for an entry there for me? Two Danish citizens: Jens SØRENSEN, cyclist aged 20 years, to Dorit Margarethe PEDERSEN (now known as BAUER), typist aged 18 years married on the P&O liner "Oriana" in the Arabian Sea between Aden and Colombo en route to Australia on 22 Oct 1961. The officiant was Cecil, Bishop of Kalgoorlie, WA. The marriage was apparently subsequently registered in Denmark, though I have still to locate that. It was certainly recorded in the shipping files preserved in the UK as it was a British-registered ship. I wish to discover whether the parties bothered to have it recorded in WA when the ship docked - I suspect not! It certainly was not registered in Victoria where the couple disembarked. This marriage is one of the examples that I intend to use at the AFFHO Congress in Darwin in June 2006. Thanks in anticipation. Chris

Hi, Anyone with a library card [at least in Essex Libraries] can access the DNB through the library website by entering their library ticket number. I am sorry if this does not work outside of Essex. Glynis ----- Original Message ----- From: Alison Ruxton Edna I've managed to get onto www.ancestry.co.uk and the dictionary IS available but only to paying subscribers of which I'm currently not. Perhaps someone on the list has a subscription and could look up the entry for you. The Dictionary of National Biography is under the "Family & Local Histories" categories. Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> > Hi Alison -- Thank you for replying. I think the CRA is for the name > CRAIGIE, must be the author of the piece. There is a possibility that > this TCJ (Thomas Clavering J., most probably for John) WORTH may be a son of > my Great-grandfather John Charles Worth (b. 1830). The name Clavering has > been used in my family as a second name. > > With appreciation, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alison Ruxton"> > > I've managed to access this Dictionary free online at > http://www.ancestry.co.uk in the past but I see it is now available to view > on a subscription basis elsewhere. Unfortunately I can't currently access > the UK Ancestry website at the moment as it is painfully slow. > > Looking at the reference CRA 1363, I'm guessing that the entry isn't for TCJ > Worth but TCJ Worth is mentioned in someone elses entry whose surname begins > with CRA. > > Alison > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> >> > > Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ > > > > Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 > > T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National > Biography CRA 1363. > > > > Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. > > > > With thanks, > > > > Edna ~ Ottawa > > ekbrit@rogers.com

Edna I've managed to get onto www.ancestry.co.uk and the dictionary IS available but only to paying subscribers of which I'm currently not. Perhaps someone on the list has a subscription and could look up the entry for you. The Dictionary of National Biography is under the "Family & Local Histories" categories. Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales > Hi Alison -- Thank you for replying. I think the CRA is for the name > CRAIGIE, must be the author of the piece. There is a possibility that > this TCJ (Thomas Clavering J., most probably for John) WORTH may be a son of > my Great-grandfather John Charles Worth (b. 1830). The name Clavering has > been used in my family as a second name. > > With appreciation, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alison Ruxton" <alison.ruxton@btinternet.com> > To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <ekbrit@rogers.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales > > > I've managed to access this Dictionary free online at > http://www.ancestry.co.uk in the past but I see it is now available to view > on a subscription basis elsewhere. Unfortunately I can't currently access > the UK Ancestry website at the moment as it is painfully slow. > > Looking at the reference CRA 1363, I'm guessing that the entry isn't for TCJ > Worth but TCJ Worth is mentioned in someone elses entry whose surname begins > with CRA. > > Alison > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> > To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:37 PM > Subject: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales > > > > Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ > > > > Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 > > T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National > Biography CRA 1363. > > > > Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. > > > > With thanks, > > > > Edna ~ Ottawa > > ekbrit@rogers.com > > > > > > > > > >

Hi, Thank you Glynis, I really don't want to subscribe to Ancestry on the possibility that TCJ WORTH (b. 1875) might be a relative. Apparently there are many volumes to the set. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Morris" <gr.morris@btinternet.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales Hi, Anyone with a library card [at least in Essex Libraries] can access the DNB through the library website by entering their library ticket number. I am sorry if this does not work outside of Essex. Glynis ----- Original Message ----- From: Alison Ruxton Edna I've managed to get onto www.ancestry.co.uk and the dictionary IS available but only to paying subscribers of which I'm currently not. Perhaps someone on the list has a subscription and could look up the entry for you. The Dictionary of National Biography is under the "Family & Local Histories" categories. Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> > Hi Alison -- Thank you for replying. I think the CRA is for the name > CRAIGIE, must be the author of the piece. There is a possibility that > this TCJ (Thomas Clavering J., most probably for John) WORTH may be a son of > my Great-grandfather John Charles Worth (b. 1830). The name Clavering has > been used in my family as a second name. > > With appreciation, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alison Ruxton"> > > I've managed to access this Dictionary free online at > http://www.ancestry.co.uk in the past but I see it is now available to view > on a subscription basis elsewhere. Unfortunately I can't currently access > the UK Ancestry website at the moment as it is painfully slow. > > Looking at the reference CRA 1363, I'm guessing that the entry isn't for TCJ > Worth but TCJ Worth is mentioned in someone elses entry whose surname begins > with CRA. > > Alison > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> >> > > Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ > > > > Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 > > T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National > Biography CRA 1363. > > > > Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. > > > > With thanks, > > > > Edna ~ Ottawa > > ekbrit@rogers.com

I've managed to access this Dictionary free online at http://www.ancestry.co.uk in the past but I see it is now available to view on a subscription basis elsewhere. Unfortunately I can't currently access the UK Ancestry website at the moment as it is painfully slow. Looking at the reference CRA 1363, I'm guessing that the entry isn't for TCJ Worth but TCJ Worth is mentioned in someone elses entry whose surname begins with CRA. Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales > Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ > > Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 > T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National Biography CRA 1363. > > Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. > > With thanks, > > Edna ~ Ottawa > ekbrit@rogers.com > > >

Thanks kindly Allison, will do that. Kindest regards, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Ruxton" <alison.ruxton@btinternet.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales Edna I've managed to get onto www.ancestry.co.uk and the dictionary IS available but only to paying subscribers of which I'm currently not. Perhaps someone on the list has a subscription and could look up the entry for you. The Dictionary of National Biography is under the "Family & Local Histories" categories. Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales > Hi Alison -- Thank you for replying. I think the CRA is for the name > CRAIGIE, must be the author of the piece. There is a possibility that > this TCJ (Thomas Clavering J., most probably for John) WORTH may be a son of > my Great-grandfather John Charles Worth (b. 1830). The name Clavering has > been used in my family as a second name. > > With appreciation, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alison Ruxton" <alison.ruxton@btinternet.com> > To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <ekbrit@rogers.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales > > > I've managed to access this Dictionary free online at > http://www.ancestry.co.uk in the past but I see it is now available to view > on a subscription basis elsewhere. Unfortunately I can't currently access > the UK Ancestry website at the moment as it is painfully slow. > > Looking at the reference CRA 1363, I'm guessing that the entry isn't for TCJ > Worth but TCJ Worth is mentioned in someone elses entry whose surname begins > with CRA. > > Alison > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> > To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:37 PM > Subject: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales > > > > Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ > > > > Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 > > T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National > Biography CRA 1363. > > > > Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. > > > > With thanks, > > > > Edna ~ Ottawa > > ekbrit@rogers.com > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Alison -- Thank you for replying. I think the CRA is for the name CRAIGIE, must be the author of the piece. There is a possibility that this TCJ (Thomas Clavering J., most probably for John) WORTH may be a son of my Great-grandfather John Charles Worth (b. 1830). The name Clavering has been used in my family as a second name. With appreciation, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Ruxton" <alison.ruxton@btinternet.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ekbrit@rogers.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales I've managed to access this Dictionary free online at http://www.ancestry.co.uk in the past but I see it is now available to view on a subscription basis elsewhere. Unfortunately I can't currently access the UK Ancestry website at the moment as it is painfully slow. Looking at the reference CRA 1363, I'm guessing that the entry isn't for TCJ Worth but TCJ Worth is mentioned in someone elses entry whose surname begins with CRA. Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [SoG] T C J WORTH b. 1875 Newport area, Wales > Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ > > Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 > T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National Biography CRA 1363. > > Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. > > With thanks, > > Edna ~ Ottawa > ekbrit@rogers.com > > >

Would anyone have access to this Dictionary ~~ Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 T C J WORTH Monmouthshire Chamber - Craigie Dictionary Of National Biography CRA 1363. Have tried our Ottawa City Library but could not find this entry. With thanks, Edna ~ Ottawa ekbrit@rogers.com

Hi Mary T. I believe that this is the most likely suggestion made so far. It is in the right part of Essex too, a couple of miles west of Braintree and not too far from Suffolk. Lawrence. -----Original Message----- From: Jenny De Angelis [mailto:jennydea@lycos.com] Sent: 26 July 2005 16:33 To: La Greenall; Essex Mailing List Cc: MWTRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Ess] Re: Faymehall HI Lawrence, I found another place in Essex that could be a possibility. Rayne Hall which is, again, near Braintree in the Finchingfield area but which is on the old Roman road, Stane Street, between Colchester and Waltham Cross There is a family of Josecelyne & vars. which have a webpage that I found about Rayne/Raine Hall http://www.peterjoslin.btinternet.co.uk/rayne.htm HOw correct the content of this site is I cannot say but it might be of intetest. There is also this other webpage on Raynehall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayne And this site of Rayne village http://www.raynevillage.info/index.shtml Where there appears to be written a complete history of the place. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005

About four weeks ago I put a message on the list asking for quotes etc suitable for a Liverpudlian family history. I had quite a few replies, all of them very appropriate - so much so that I used them all! However, before I could get round to thanking everyone who replied, my ancient PC finally gave up on me and it's only now that I can say "thank you very much" for your help. Sue Holden

About four weeks ago I put a message on the list asking for quotes etc suitable for a Liverpudlian family history. I had quite a few replies, all of them very appropriate - so much so that I used them all! However, before I could get round to thanking everyone who replied, my ancient PC finally gave up on me and it's only now that I can say "thank you very much". Sue Holden

Hi Mary. Like you I have not heard of a 'Faymehall' or similar in or around Waltham Holy Cross (Waltham Abbey), despite being an amateur local historian of the town. However, the surname CURTIS does have strong historical associations with the locality, especially with the parish of Nazeing just to the north of WHX. Nazeing contributed a significant number of the 17th Century settlers of New England, including William Curtis, baptised at Nazeing in 1592, who settled at Boston forty years later. I have forwarded your request to the Essex Rootsweb list. Lawrence. > -----Original Message----- > From: MWTRE@aol.com [mailto:MWTRE@aol.com] > Sent: 24 July 2005 17:36 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] an Essex query > > > A 1693/4 will of Mary Blatt nee Curtis (widow of William, > silkman of the > City of London) filed in Suffolk (her home county to which > she had returned with > her four children upon the death of her husband) mentions (in > relation to her > eldest son, James) a property she called "Faymehall in > Essex", indicating that > her bequest to him was conditional upon the above property > not descending to > him. (In the event, James died unmarried in Bury St. Edmunds > in 1709, so > presumably this property never came to him. I have looked > for some trace as to > the possible location of this property, but so far have found > nothing. The IGI > shows early Essex records for the surname Blatt in Barnston & > Waltham Holy > Cross, but I have not found such a property in conjunction > with either place. > (The surname was sometimes written Blate & one clerk has > erroneously recorded it > as "Place".) As I have been tracking the Curtis line and > know of no Essex > connections there, and as James Blatt was the eldest son of > the eldest daughter > - and as Mary Curtis Blatt had a younger brother with living > sons, it would > seem most likely that the property in question was descended > on the Blatt side. > Has anyone out there any knowledge of such a property ever > existing anywhere > in Essex? > > Mary T. > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: > 22/07/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005

A 1693/4 will of Mary Blatt nee Curtis (widow of William, silkman of the City of London) filed in Suffolk (her home county to which she had returned with her four children upon the death of her husband) mentions (in relation to her eldest son, James) a property she called "Faymehall in Essex", indicating that her bequest to him was conditional upon the above property not descending to him. (In the event, James died unmarried in Bury St. Edmunds in 1709, so presumably this property never came to him. I have looked for some trace as to the possible location of this property, but so far have found nothing. The IGI shows early Essex records for the surname Blatt in Barnston & Waltham Holy Cross, but I have not found such a property in conjunction with either place. (The surname was sometimes written Blate & one clerk has erroneously recorded it as "Place".) As I have been tracking the Curtis line and know of no Essex connections there, and as James Blatt was the eldest son of the eldest daughter - and as Mary Curtis Blatt had a younger brother with living sons, it would seem most likely that the property in question was descended on the Blatt side. Has anyone out there any knowledge of such a property ever existing anywhere in Essex? Mary T.

Many thanks, Dave! Regards, Lois >From: "DAVID OSTLER" <dave.ostler@btopenworld.com> (by way of Geoffrey ><lists@sog.org.uk>) >Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SoG] RCAF Records WWII >Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:08:33 +0100 > > >Try contacting Air Force Association of Canada, PO Box 2460 Stn.D, Ottawa >ON, K1P 5W6 or e-mail their historian Fred Aldworth at >aldworth@airforce.ca. >I have, in te past, found him to be very helpful. > >Dave Ostler > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lois Susanne Bakar" <lsb255@hotmail.com> >To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:31 PM >Subject: [SoG] RCAF Records WWII > > > > Hi, > > Does anyone on the List have an address in Canada for obtaining Royal > > Canadian Air Force Records for the WWII period? I emailed the Archives > > but have not had a reply. > > Thank you for your input, > > Best regards, > > Lois S. Bakar > > California, U.S.A. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > >This email has been scanned for viruses by NetBenefit using Sophos >anti-virus technology > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

webmaster@sog.org.uk wrote: > I am only the messenger Understood Chris :-) > - Malcolm's solution would mean scrolling down > for the main navigation something even more people object too. The answer to that is to have less on the front page but it's each to his own and I won't turn this into a general web design debate :-) > Like or not our records show that lecture ticket sales go up with a pop-up I won't deny the statistics, but feel there are better ways ... > the addition of the travel message is temporary until we work out a workable > alternative - I do use it sparingly more that can be said of the TNA > whose pop-up is permanent . If the pop-up is there, then that's a very worthwhile use for it. I wasn't aware the TNA site had a pop-up, I've never seen it! (Until I went to look for it this evening, that is.) > I will bear the comment in mind and see if there is another way but I > assume I should avoid flashing lights or even worse sound! As a practical suggestion Chris, to be less irritating to those who do see the pop-up - how about setting a session cookie to control it so that it only pops up on the first visit to the home page - or even pop-up (just once) on a visit to /any/ page on the site. = Malcolm.