I agree with Gordon, the passing of SOG Computers is rather sad - but that's progress. I think. Like Gordon, I also wonder what is really the point in purchasing a CD that contains vast amounts of information that we will never need. Taken to extremes, it is rather like having the complete set of BMD or IGI fiches in your front room. Unless you are researching the entirety of the UK there is little point. On-line information has to be the real answer, even if we need to spend some cash each time we make use of it. If we buy a CD we extract the info and then it sits on the shelf. My own case in point was acquiring the British 1881 Census and Index. Having extracted any useful information it now gathers dust. We can't even do look-ups for others because of copyright. Peter Amsden, Argyll, Scotland Researching Amsden World Wide Outline History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~amsden Books I have written: http://www.btinternet.com/~amsden AllExperts: http://www.allexperts.com/displayExpert.asp?Expert=38044 Never dump originals - they may be all that is left after the computer age. > From: Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:59:26 +0100 > To: GOONS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [G] Censuses on CD v Ancestry > Resent-From: GOONS-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:00:34 -0600 > > I have just enjoyed a good read of SOG Computers in Genealogy Sept 05 > Slightly sad to think that it is the penultimate issue, but understandable > in the light of the the mass of Computer Oriented magazines. > > What set me off was the article / review by Peter Amsden on the Berkshire & > Essex 1971 Censuses on CD produced by S&N British Data Archive Ltd. > > Am I missing something? , but would members of this list agree that a > Subscription to Ancestry.com has almost made such CDs obsolete ? > As a GOONS member I am reasonably happy to pay a full World-wide annual > subscription, and find Ancestry lookups fast and convenient. and helpful. > I am fully aware that the Ancestry Index's are only 90% reliable, but so > also is the Census Data itself. > > What are the circumstances where it makes sense to buy a census CD ? > > > > +Z_______________+Z_______________+Z__________________________+Z > <www.adshead.com> Gordon Adshead Manchester Design Technology > Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, England > Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-777-6145602 <gordon@adshead.com> > > > > > ==== GOONS Mailing List ==== >>> Please take care to use your registered Forum e-mail address when > posting to the List, otherwise it won't appear.<< >

I have just enjoyed a good read of SOG Computers in Genealogy Sept 05 Slightly sad to think that it is the penultimate issue, but understandable in the light of the the mass of Computer Oriented magazines. What set me off was the article / review by Peter Amsden on the Berkshire & Essex 1971 Censuses on CD produced by S&N British Data Archive Ltd. Am I missing something? , but would members of this list agree that a Subscription to Ancestry.com has almost made such CDs obsolete ? As a GOONS member I am reasonably happy to pay a full World-wide annual subscription, and find Ancestry lookups fast and convenient. and helpful. I am fully aware that the Ancestry Index's are only 90% reliable, but so also is the Census Data itself. What are the circumstances where it makes sense to buy a census CD ? +Z_______________+Z_______________+Z__________________________+Z <www.adshead.com> Gordon Adshead Manchester Design Technology Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, England Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-777-6145602 <gordon@adshead.com>

In reply to Michael Outram's query of 25 August: I entered "certificate of naming" into GOOGLE and got lots of results. Try the following two as examples: http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/home/youandyourcommunity/registrars/regist rars-births/namingyourbaby.htm http://www.hackney.gov.uk/index/council/departments/law-and-democratic-servi ces/yc-lads-civic/birth-re-registering.htm Walt O'Dowd Rushmere St Andrew Suffolk England

Eddy < weiss.tate@t-online.de > wrote: > My usual methode of having a quick look at my list ingoings > and then putting them on their File for latter studies has > gone wrong and I've lost the lot. There was a mention of road > names in the rayleigh area which caught my eye, would some > kind person repeat these for me... You can see all the SOG-UK messages in the archives at < http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOG-UK >. Regards Elmo. -- --Keith Elmo ELDRIDGE --Buxworth, High Peak, Derbyshire, England --Elmo@aphelia.co.uk --E.L.D.R.I.D.G.E, O.B.L.A.T.H, B.A.I.L.E.Y, W.E.E.K.S, --O.D.D.Y, H.A.R.D.L.E.Y, P.R.A.N.G.N.E.L.L, C.O.T.T.O.N --'Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children'

Hello again, Sorry but the Lane that rung a bell was in fact Rawrath Lane, also leading up to Rayleigh... Eddy (a member) (an old Fisherman from Old Leigh in good old Essex, now in bavaria)

As an aside, the forename German appears in a distant branch of my family tree. So I suppose that it would be true to say that my cousin German is not my cousin german.

Hello Mary, you wrote < Question - what is a "cousin German"? (note - Fanny was born in Essex.) > There is a simple and straightforward answer to your query. First of all, a "cousin german" - or sometimes shown as "cousin-germane" has nothing at all to do with Germany! Rather it is what we would nowadays commonly describe as a 'first-cousin' - that is, it means, in legal terms, someone who has a parent who is brother or sister of either of ones own parents. The term comers from the Old French word 'germain' from the Latin 'germen' = sprout or offshoot. Fred Jackson

Mary The glossary on Yorkshire GenUKI [www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Glossary/] defines "cousin German" as a full (or first) cousin. "German" is separately defined as "of the first degree or full" and can also be used of other things. Ken Researching MYCOCK/ MICOCK any time anywhere MWTRE@aol.com wrote: >The 1888 index for the Probate Registry contains the following entry: "10 >May, administration of personal estate of Constantine Edward Clarance late of 12 >Lacey Street, Bow, bachelor, died 3 Feb 1888, granted at Principal Registry >to Fanny Anne Hurst (wife of Joseph Hurst Esq) of Orchard House, Walton on >Thames, Surrey, the cousin German and one of the next of kin." > >Question - what is a "cousin German"? (note - Fanny was born in Essex.) >Perhaps this is a well-known phrase, but it is the first time I have come across >it. > >Mary in London >

In a message dated 17/09/2005 15:16:50 GMT Standard Time, MWTRE@aol.com writes: Question - what is a "cousin German"? (note - Fanny was born in Essex.) Perhaps this is a well-known phrase, but it is the first time I have come across It is simply a Full Cousin (ie not a 2nd cousin etc) Regards Dr T@m www.TickhillClinic.com

>Question - what is a "cousin German"? (note - Fanny was born in Essex.) >Perhaps this is a well-known phrase, but it is the first time I have come >across >it. > >Mary in London ___________________ Although I hadn't realized it prior to your question, the term appears in Webster's English Dictionary. Lois in California _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

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The 1888 index for the Probate Registry contains the following entry: "10 May, administration of personal estate of Constantine Edward Clarance late of 12 Lacey Street, Bow, bachelor, died 3 Feb 1888, granted at Principal Registry to Fanny Anne Hurst (wife of Joseph Hurst Esq) of Orchard House, Walton on Thames, Surrey, the cousin German and one of the next of kin." Question - what is a "cousin German"? (note - Fanny was born in Essex.) Perhaps this is a well-known phrase, but it is the first time I have come across it. Mary in London

Hi Geoffrey, Thank you for your email. I was getting so many emails that it was becoming a bit of a problem but I have sorted it out now. Thank you for your help. Regards Margaret >From: Geoffrey <lists@sog.org.uk> >Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SoG] unwanted emails >Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:50:47 +0100 > >Margaret, > >At 12:47 pm 10/09/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Good afternoon, I am a SOG member, number 033382. For several weeks I >have > >been receiving unwanted emails via the SOG. They are obviously from >members > >but I do not know them and have not communicated with them. The subjects > >they are concerned with are of no interest to me. I am getting >approximately > >6 a day and its becoming annoying. The email address from which they come >is > >the one above. I would appreciate your help in stopping these emails. > >Regards Margaret Pawson > >You subscribed to the SoG Members' Mailing list a year ago and obviously >during most of that period you have had no problem. What has changed in >the last few weeks, are these messages outside the normal mailing list >messages? Or have you simply had enough of the SoG list ? > >Regards, > >Geoff > >Geoffrey T. Stone, >SoG Mailing List Administrator. lists@sog.org.uk >http://www.sog.org.uk >On-line retail shopping? Use http://www.buy.at/genealogists our affiliate >shop >and SoG gains funds at no cost to you. >

Hello all, My usual methode of having a quick look at my list ingoings and then putting them on their File for latter studies has gone wrong and I've lost the lot. There was a mention of road names in the rayleigh area which caught my eye, would some kind person repeat these for me... We used to when repairing ( or doing a bernard cribbins) cobbled roads, build a construction out of wood to keep the "good bits" from slipping. This was removed again as the work was finished, so I dont think it was your "olf" The Idea of a Gravel/Sand bin could well be, as there is quite a steep hill on the old london road leading up to Rayleigh. Eddy in bavaria (a member)

----- Original Message ----- Hello all, My usual methode of having a quick look at my list ingoings and then putting them on their File for latter studies has gone wrong and I've lost the lot. There was a mention of road names in the rayleigh area which caught my eye, would some kind person repeat these for me... We used to when repairing ( or doing a bernard cribbins) cobbled roads, build a construction out of wood to keep the "good bits" from slipping. This was removed again as the work was finished, so I dont think it was your "olf" The Idea of a Gravel/Sand bin could well be, as there is quite a steep hill on the old london road leading up to Rayleigh. Eddy in bavaria (a member) Dear Geoff, Thank you very much for your input, thoughts and the look up in the OED. I am very grateful for the OED especially. I have a photocopy of the document in front of me, it is a receipted bill signed by my ancestor detailing work done in 'carpenters work done in the roads' for the churchwarden Mr Brewit. It has been annotated as 'Bills & Receipts Surveyor's Accts for 1818 for Rayleigh Parish' The total bill for nearly a year comes to L10 14s 1 1/2d The 'f' is written the same as in his 'field' and the end letters of his signature, being Thomas WAGGSTAFF. Further on in the two page document is; to 1/2 day to stubing up old olf at Ditto 0 - 1 - 9 to 4 oak posts and 2 caps for Ditto to 18 feet of planck to lay by the side of Ditto I cannot find Hambrey Lane in Rayleigh either. I have a enlarged tithe map of Rayleigh and it is not shown on there. I like the reference to the camel but for now I remain stumped. As you suggest it is probably a structure of some kind. Thank you very much, Glynis Essex ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoffrey Glynis asks:- >Does anyone know what Olf means in the following context please? > >ERO ref: D/P 332/21/2 parish of Rayleigh, Ess > >Dec 30 1817 from the bill of a carpenter [Thomas WAGGSTAFF] > >to mending of olf in hambry lane [?] [?] nails and oak planck 0 - 2- 0 > >and > >February 23 to mending of olf in hambrey lane labour and oak planck 0 - 6 - 2 > >I have a feeling it is staring me in the face but I cannot work it out and I am not allowed to drive to ERO [for OED] for another two weeks, Firstly, did you see the original and are the details those that you copied, or did you take this from a transcription? What exactly was the document? I am not convinced about the suggestion of ole (hole), but this is the only suggestion so far. Mending holes in the road is not too likely to require a plank and nails. So I would guess that it is a structure (bridge, style or fence?) or building. I checked my Essex Dialect Dictionary but that was no help. The prefix olf means smell as in olfactory etc. Could it have been somewhere smelly - a midden? OED:- Olfend is an old word for a Camel - plank and nails !! <grin> A Green-olf (olph, alf, olp) was a green-finch or more properly a green grosbeak (Suffolk dialect). So I think that it is an unidentified structure or building - the village lock-up or stocks? Requiring significant repair if the second bill was 6/2d. Although I don't know the area, I can find no sign of Hambrey Lane in modern Rayleigh, the nearest being Hambro Hill, Close and Avenue to the north-east of the town. Perhaps an old map of the town with the lane marked might give a clue regarding what was there. - Tythe map? You could ask the ERO, after all it was their document. Please let us know if anything turns up. Regards, Geoff (From Essex)

This query should have been sent to events@sog.org.uk but for the sake of clarity - The reference in Ruth Paley's paper is the 5th November event at SoG. The use the link on the right -hand side to "more(pdf)" to see the details and a booking form - click on "buy" to book and pay online. Chris Broomfield aka webmaster@sog.org.uk At 08:11 16/09/2005 +0100, CMR wrote: >The current edition of GM includes mention of a half day course on sources >for 17th and 18th century Irish ancestry to be hosted by the SOG on >November 5th. > >This is at the end of Ruth Paley's piece on the Carte Papers. > >But there is no mention of this event in the listing of events - indeed on >Nov 5th there is a half day course on "Jacobite conspirators and parliament. > >Can anybody enlighten me? > >Christopher Richards Chris Broomfield broomfield@one-name.org

The current edition of GM includes mention of a half day course on sources for 17th and 18th century Irish ancestry to be hosted by the SOG on November 5th. This is at the end of Ruth Paley's piece on the Carte Papers. But there is no mention of this event in the listing of events - indeed on Nov 5th there is a half day course on "Jacobite conspirators and parliament. Can anybody enlighten me? Christopher Richards

This has been such a helpful discussion and I am very grateful. Thank you Geoff, John, Ken and Michael and I think it may well be a fence of some type. I will also check the tithe apportionments for a field name. A great list - thanks to everyone, Glynis ----- Original Message ----- It sounds very much like a type of closeboard fence that is being repaired. X4 posts and X2 caps for the tops and the plancks lain at the bottom therefore, might well be gravel boards. Michael Tebbutt.

This fascinating correspondence all goes to show how useful context can be - Edy (of Bavaria)...ahoy...are you receiving? ----- Original Message ----- From: <TebbuA@aol.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [SoG] Help with 'Olf' please > It sounds very much like a type of closeboard fence that is being > repaired. > X4 posts and X2 caps for the tops and the plancks lain at the bottom > therefore, > might well be gravel boards. Michael Tebbutt. > >

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:54:58 +0100, Brian Randell wrote: >Hi: > >Does anyone have any recommendations for B&B ensuite accommodation >near the PRO at Kew - I've been given one suggestion for a place that >is about 15 minutes walk away, and I'm wondering what there is even >closer. > >Cheers > >Brian Randell TNA have a link about accomodation. See at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/visit/accommodation.htm Tom