Hello Brian, A comprehensive social history has been written by Christopher Hibbert, "The English - a Social History 1066-1945." My edition was published by Guild Publishing, a book club and does not refer to the original publisher and does not appear to have an ISBN. I suspect that the book will be available in the larger public libraries. Cheers, Janet Heskins (Surbiton, Surrey)

Ancestry have just announced the release of the 1851 which can their main search page www.ancestry.co.uk There is also an article in the latest, December 2005, Your Family Tree on the subject. Regards John Hanson

Taken from another list but may be handy for us too... Edna - Ottawa >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Merseyside" <robertcampbell.1@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Passenger list 1854/55 Will be adding passenger lists, arrivals and departures from Liverpool over the next few days On NEW SNIPPETS page Comments welcome in my guest book http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html Regards, Jane

Hi Chris: >I saw the following reference posted on an Australian mailing list but it >does relate to Great Britain - and seems most useful. Thanks to the site >author Guy Etchells. thanks for posting this - I've added a link form under Politics & Government on the main GENUKI UK&I page. Cheers Brian -- School of Computing Science, University of Newcastle, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/~brian.randell/

I saw the following reference posted on an Australian mailing list but it does relate to Great Britain - and seems most useful. Thanks to the site author Guy Etchells. Chris Watts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Castle" <newspapertranscripts@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.australia+nz Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: Transcripts of Various Acts of Parliament of Interest to the Genealogist | It is not often I hear of a website that I havent seen or heard of before | but this one was brought to my attention today. | http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Eframland/acts/actind.htm | | Helen Castle | Narangba Qld

In message of 21 Oct, <gen@webline.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Folks > > Could someone please let me know how I can change my email address to > receive SOG list messages? > > Sorry to post this to the list but I have looked on the SOG website > and sent an email to lists@sog.org.uk, all to no avail. Ths SoG list is run by Rootsweb (see the headers to these mailings) so you have to go to www.rootsweb.com and Remove your old address and Subscribe with your new on. Perhaps I woud do the latter first to make sure it works. A little investigation shows this to be the right place: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Genealogical_Societies/SOG-UK.html -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Hi Folks Could someone please let me know how I can change my email address to receive SOG list messages? Sorry to post this to the list but I have looked on the SOG website and sent an email to lists@sog.org.uk, all to no avail. Any suggestions welcome! Thanks

In message of 20 Oct, Peter Abbott <PeterAbbott.Eymore@btinternet.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the helpful replies. The simplest answer appears to be > to include instructions for Mac and Linux And that excellent UK operating system, RISC OS > users on how to open the > first pdf file. It will then work as on a pc. It will just work, never mind the pc bit. :-) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Do you mean Digest messages -- should be mentioned on their welcoming pages. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <gen@webline.demon.co.uk> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 6:55 AM Subject: [SoG] How to change list email address? > Hi Folks > > Could someone please let me know how I can change my email address to > receive SOG list messages? > > Sorry to post this to the list but I have looked on the SOG website and > sent > an email to lists@sog.org.uk, all to no avail. > > Any suggestions welcome! > > Thanks > >

Thanks for all the helpful replies. The simplest answer appears to be to include instructions for Mac and Linux users on how to open the first pdf file. It will then work as on a pc. Peter

In message of 20 Oct, "La Greenall" <animaus@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I'm not expert enough to know the absolute details but it will be the > tiny autostart files which Windows uses to 'play' the CD automatically > when it is inserted. Other Osses need different startup files (I > believe), so without these the user will have to dig into their version > of the File Manager and manually open/run the data files on the CD. I suspect people who normally use Mac, Unix, Risc OS, etc will be very used to doing exactly that. It is normal practice to open up directories (folders to some) and double lcick on things like PDF files. So the question is whether this is what the user did and if so, what problem did he then have. I regard PDF as a remarkably satsifactory format for exchanging information between all these formats; I use it regularly and have not had anyone have any problem apart from the odd one who did not have a PDF-reader (Acrobat on PCs) program on their machines. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Abbott [mailto:PeterAbbott.Eymore@btinternet.com] > > Sent: 20 October 2005 14:42 > > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SoG] Creating CDs > > > > > > I produce Cds for our Society and recently received this message. > > > > 'I was very surprised to find that the CD I got from you is for > > Windows PCs only - no Macs, no Linux. Again, no other FHS has sent > > one with a restricted format: it's so simple to add the basic files > > needed for cross-platform support.' > > > > The Cds are ISO 9660 and autostart. The data files are all pdf format > > which I know is OK on a Mac because I have tried them. > > > > Anyone know what other 'basic files' are needed for Mac and Linux > > systems please? Once you have created a PDF file, there is no need to add any other files on any operating system. Mind you it is worth while ensuring that the PDF file you have created conforms to nothing more complicated that Acrobat version 3. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Hi Peter, Google for "cross platform autostart cd" and you will garner quite a lot of useful information. "I use Google for all my problems" HTH. Phil. At 14:42 20/10/2005, you wrote: >I produce Cds for our Society and recently received this message. > >'I was very surprised to find that the CD I got from you is for >Windows PCs only - no Macs, no Linux. Again, no other FHS has sent >one with a restricted format: it's so simple to add the basic files >needed for cross-platform support.' > >The Cds are ISO 9660 and autostart. The data files are all pdf >format which I know is OK on a Mac because I have tried them. > >Anyone know what other 'basic files' are needed for Mac and Linux >systems please? > >Peter >

I'm not expert enough to know the absolute details but it will be the tiny autostart files which Windows uses to 'play' the CD automatically when it is inserted. Other Osses need different startup files (I believe), so without these the user will have to dig into their version of the File Manager and manually open/run the data files on the CD. Regards, Lawrence. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Abbott [mailto:PeterAbbott.Eymore@btinternet.com] > Sent: 20 October 2005 14:42 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] Creating CDs > > > I produce Cds for our Society and recently received this message. > > 'I was very surprised to find that the CD I got from you is for > Windows PCs only - no Macs, no Linux. Again, no other FHS has sent > one with a restricted format: it's so simple to add the basic files > needed for cross-platform support.' > > The Cds are ISO 9660 and autostart. The data files are all pdf format > which I know is OK on a Mac because I have tried them. > > Anyone know what other 'basic files' are needed for Mac and Linux > systems please? > > Peter > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release > Date: 19/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Ha Haa! Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005

I produce Cds for our Society and recently received this message. 'I was very surprised to find that the CD I got from you is for Windows PCs only - no Macs, no Linux. Again, no other FHS has sent one with a restricted format: it's so simple to add the basic files needed for cross-platform support.' The Cds are ISO 9660 and autostart. The data files are all pdf format which I know is OK on a Mac because I have tried them. Anyone know what other 'basic files' are needed for Mac and Linux systems please? Peter

Hi David and others I know you said that you know there are other sources but I will confirm that if you use www.familyhistoryonline.net then you definitely can search the index for 1881 and Lincolnshire. Use FamilyHistoryOnline's free search (yes you do have to register but no personal details, credit card details etc are required) and then use the reference folio/page numbers to go straight to the image on Ancestry. And whilst you are on the FamilyHistoryOnline site try searching for some of your other FH "wants" you may be pleasantly pleased to find something else of interest - remember they have far the greatest amount of burials than anywhere else. Regards Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tappin" <d.tappin@ntlworld.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: [SoG] Ancestry - 1881 Census > Has anyone had problems with searching the 1881 Census on the Ancestry site > for individuals born in Lincolnshire? > > I have not been able to get any search results for any surname I have tried > with the additional criteria of born Lincolnshire. Searches without the > county name specified does show that there are of course rather a lot of > individuals that were born in the county. Incidentally, searching without a > name but just by the birthplace of "Lincolnshire" produces only 10 names. > > I have logged two queries about this problem over the last few months and > get the reply "under investigation". > > I am aware of the other sources of the 1881 census but it is usually more > convenient to try Ancestry particularly if wanting other census years at the > same time. > > Regards > > David Tappin > > > > > >

After a bit of trial and error it appears that you can add the parish name to the same field - the database finds people with the surname Jaques born in Wroot whether you put "Wroot Lincoln" or "Lincoln Wroot" in the Birthplace Parish field. However, you may find it better to omit the county altogether, as an additional Jaques is found if you just search from Wroot as a birthplace, without the county. On 10/18/05, David Tappin <d.tappin@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Ruth. > > You are correct! > > I knew that putting the shortened "Lincoln" into the county field also > produced no results but I had not tried putting it into the Parish field. > This does then give results for the whole county but there is then no way > to > further refine down to the parish name. So it is back to switching to the > LDS site. > > Regards. > > David Tappin > d.tappin@ntlworld.com > Family Personal Web Pages www.tappin.org.uk <http://www.tappin.org.uk> > Family Genealogy Web Pages http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.tappin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruth [mailto:historyscape@gmail.com] > Sent: 18 October 2005 18:42 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SoG] Ancestry - 1881 Census > > > I think it's something to do with the conversion from the LDS data. The > 1881, as processed by the LDS, notoriously produced a list of county names > omitting the "shire". If you search with "Lincoln*" in the Parish > Birthplace > rather than County Birthplace field you may find what you're looking for. > > On 10/18/05, David Tappin <d.tappin@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > Has anyone had problems with searching the 1881 Census on the Ancestry > > site for individuals born in Lincolnshire? > > > > I have not been able to get any search results for any surname I have > > tried with the additional criteria of born Lincolnshire. Searches > > without the county name specified does show that there are of course > > rather a lot of individuals that were born in the county. > > Incidentally, searching without a > > name but just by the birthplace of "Lincolnshire" produces only 10 > names. > > > > I have logged two queries about this problem over the last few months > > and get the reply "under investigation". > > > > I am aware of the other sources of the 1881 census but it is usually > > more convenient to try Ancestry particularly if wanting other census > > years at the same time. > > > > Regards > > > > David Tappin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ruth. You are correct! I knew that putting the shortened "Lincoln" into the county field also produced no results but I had not tried putting it into the Parish field. This does then give results for the whole county but there is then no way to further refine down to the parish name. So it is back to switching to the LDS site. Regards. David Tappin d.tappin@ntlworld.com Family Personal Web Pages www.tappin.org.uk Family Genealogy Web Pages http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.tappin -----Original Message----- From: Ruth [mailto:historyscape@gmail.com] Sent: 18 October 2005 18:42 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] Ancestry - 1881 Census I think it's something to do with the conversion from the LDS data. The 1881, as processed by the LDS, notoriously produced a list of county names omitting the "shire". If you search with "Lincoln*" in the Parish Birthplace rather than County Birthplace field you may find what you're looking for. On 10/18/05, David Tappin <d.tappin@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Has anyone had problems with searching the 1881 Census on the Ancestry > site for individuals born in Lincolnshire? > > I have not been able to get any search results for any surname I have > tried with the additional criteria of born Lincolnshire. Searches > without the county name specified does show that there are of course > rather a lot of individuals that were born in the county. > Incidentally, searching without a > name but just by the birthplace of "Lincolnshire" produces only 10 names. > > I have logged two queries about this problem over the last few months > and get the reply "under investigation". > > I am aware of the other sources of the 1881 census but it is usually > more convenient to try Ancestry particularly if wanting other census > years at the same time. > > Regards > > David Tappin > > > > > >

I think it's something to do with the conversion from the LDS data. The 1881, as processed by the LDS, notoriously produced a list of county names omitting the "shire". If you search with "Lincoln*" in the Parish Birthplace rather than County Birthplace field you may find what you're looking for. On 10/18/05, David Tappin <d.tappin@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Has anyone had problems with searching the 1881 Census on the Ancestry > site > for individuals born in Lincolnshire? > > I have not been able to get any search results for any surname I have > tried > with the additional criteria of born Lincolnshire. Searches without the > county name specified does show that there are of course rather a lot of > individuals that were born in the county. Incidentally, searching without > a > name but just by the birthplace of "Lincolnshire" produces only 10 names. > > I have logged two queries about this problem over the last few months and > get the reply "under investigation". > > I am aware of the other sources of the 1881 census but it is usually more > convenient to try Ancestry particularly if wanting other census years at > the > same time. > > Regards > > David Tappin > > > > > >

Has anyone had problems with searching the 1881 Census on the Ancestry site for individuals born in Lincolnshire? I have not been able to get any search results for any surname I have tried with the additional criteria of born Lincolnshire. Searches without the county name specified does show that there are of course rather a lot of individuals that were born in the county. Incidentally, searching without a name but just by the birthplace of "Lincolnshire" produces only 10 names. I have logged two queries about this problem over the last few months and get the reply "under investigation". I am aware of the other sources of the 1881 census but it is usually more convenient to try Ancestry particularly if wanting other census years at the same time. Regards David Tappin

Why don't you check it out on the free LDS site: www.familysearch.org and ask them. All the best, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tappin" <d.tappin@ntlworld.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: [SoG] Ancestry - 1881 Census > Has anyone had problems with searching the 1881 Census on the Ancestry > site > for individuals born in Lincolnshire? > > I have not been able to get any search results for any surname I have > tried > with the additional criteria of born Lincolnshire. Searches without the > county name specified does show that there are of course rather a lot of > individuals that were born in the county. Incidentally, searching without > a > name but just by the birthplace of "Lincolnshire" produces only 10 names. > > I have logged two queries about this problem over the last few months and > get the reply "under investigation". > > I am aware of the other sources of the 1881 census but it is usually more > convenient to try Ancestry particularly if wanting other census years at > the > same time. > > Regards > > David Tappin > > > > >