Thank you for this - I was planning my first visit for a long time on Saturday - I'll have to visit the Society instead! Michael Williamson -----Original Message----- From: Peter B Park [mailto:pbp@archive-research.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 01 December 2005 15:54 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SoG] TNA Closure If anyone is planning to visit TNA at Kew next week, forget it, it will be closed for stocktaking. FRC will remain open as usual. Peter Park

Peter B Park wrote: > If anyone is planning to visit TNA at Kew next week, forget it, it will be > closed for stocktaking. Er, well Peter, according to their website it's only from tomorrow (Fri 2 Dec) to Monday 5 Dec that they will be closed. Business as normal from Tuesday. I try to keep closures of major repositories displayed in GENEVA: http://geneva.weald.org.uk/ (Along with a list of things to do while they are closed!) = Malcolm.

If anyone is planning to visit TNA at Kew next week, forget it, it will be closed for stocktaking. FRC will remain open as usual. Peter Park

I had the same problem with Family Search earlier today. Sent them a message - to which they have already replied, saying that it is indeed a malfunction - caused presumably by the fact that they are currently updating the data files etc. They said they hoped to have it working properly again asap. Mary

Thanks so much Mary for that quick reassurance - I've been really frustrated by it. I have had some computer hic-coughs since I did an upgrade to some of my equipment - so wanted to pin the blame on that.......but I really wondered why someone would make things harder! Let's hope that there's a similar reason for A2A as well........ Regards, Catherine Feeling less cold already <g> MWTRE@aol.com wrote: >I had the same problem with Family Search earlier today. Sent them a >message - to which they have already replied, saying that it is indeed a >malfunction - > -- There are no attachments to this Email message unless specifically stated in subject line or in the body of this message. Message scanned by Norton AntiVirus - last updated 30th November 2005

I'm having trouble using the A2A search - the links keep coming up Sorry! There was a problem attempting to connect to A2A (Out of memory) Who is out of memory ? Is it me - or their system or a glitch that happens often? I'd really appreciate some feed-back. Also I can't manage to 'search' at all now in the Family Search IGI site without having to re-enter absolutely everything. Before I'd do a search and from the list of results, I was able to go back and forth checking for mother's names or possible family connections. Now every time I go back, I have another message that the page has expired and again have to enter ALL the details I want to know - it's mind-blowingly difficult. I still manage to go back in other instances and search as I used to - English sites etc and I have no problem. BUT, not at that site. Now with the A2A only partially there, I'm wondering if anyone else is having this sort of problem - have the restrictions increased perhaps...? If it was simply how my computer was programmed I should think I couldn't look at anything that stores memory....... I'd welcome any suggestions. I hope that I've not violated the list rules by asking this - but I thought that this is one of the best places to ask such a general question - Has anyone else noticed this sort of problem and is there perhaps a better time to try a search at the A2A? Thanks in advance - any guidance is appreciated. Catherine from a wintery Alberta, Canada. -- There are no attachments to this Email message unless specifically stated in subject line or in the body of this message. Message scanned by Norton AntiVirus - last updated 30th November 2005

Hi, I have been answered by the Membership staff. All I wanted was the yearly cost for Canada, as there are members who are on the list. By helping one another, this can take the strain off the SOG. With appreciation, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Hardy" <frank@fchardy.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: [SoG] Membership queries Please remember that this list is not the place to send questions about membership. The membership secretary does not monitor this list. Jackie does try and answer as quickly as she can, but for the next couple of months there is a very marked surge of queries coming to her by telephone, personal visits, letters and e-mails. She deals with things as far as possible in the order of receipt and as fast as possible. Other office staff do help her as far as possible, particularly in processing the routine renewals when the remittance received by the Society is the correct one, but there are many items where the two figures do not match. There are also the cases like the one I dealt with last year where the member concerned had blithely continued to pay by Direct Debit and by Standing Order for several years and expected the SoG to cancel the Standing Order. SO's can only be cancelled with the bank by the account holder. This took a couple of phone calls by Jackie, thus delaying replies to other queries. We could employ extra staff, but they would need training and would cost us, the members, about ukp2 per member per year to have the luxury of quicker replies. Oh, yes, and a small point, where would they sit? Frank Hardy

Please remember that this list is not the place to send questions about membership. The membership secretary does not monitor this list. Jackie does try and answer as quickly as she can, but for the next couple of months there is a very marked surge of queries coming to her by telephone, personal visits, letters and e-mails. She deals with things as far as possible in the order of receipt and as fast as possible. Other office staff do help her as far as possible, particularly in processing the routine renewals when the remittance received by the Society is the correct one, but there are many items where the two figures do not match. There are also the cases like the one I dealt with last year where the member concerned had blithely continued to pay by Direct Debit and by Standing Order for several years and expected the SoG to cancel the Standing Order. SO's can only be cancelled with the bank by the account holder. This took a couple of phone calls by Jackie, thus delaying replies to other queries. We could employ extra staff, but they would need training and would cost us, the members, about ukp2 per member per year to have the luxury of quicker replies. Oh, yes, and a small point, where would they sit? Frank Hardy

DVDobbin wrote: ......I also like a comment on a radio programme that there are 4 million people living in Wales - and 7 million Welshmen living outside singing about how lovely it is to live in Wales. ;-) Reminds me of the Irish Boomerang. It doesn't come back ...... it just sings songs about coming back! Cedric Hoptroff Little Brickhill Bucks

I like Generations and continue to use it but, as I recently had a conflict with Omnipage, copy all my data to Legacy, which is a very similar program. I find Tree Drawing in Generations very good and worth any inconvenience for this alone. Regards, Roger Jones Holland > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Powys-Lybbe [mailto:tim@powys.org] > > In message of 28 Nov, Peter Abbott <peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com> > wrote: > > > Generations on the PC is from the same stable, developed by Reunion. > > It is my preferred choice even though updates are no longer available > > on PCs. > > It depends on how much your data is important to you and how much time > you have invested in it. But the problem with continuing to use > Generations on a PC is if there should be some development in the PC > operating system that finally prevents Generations from running. This > is more likely to affect you when you replace your old PC as the new one > will have the newest operating system. > > If you decide this is unacceptable, you have to consider what you > will do with your data. You cannot transfer it all out reliably using > GEDCOM; this inevitably leads to some problems. I have even come to > the conclusion that the genealogy program designers might have > deliberately made it difficult for you to transfer serious amounts of > data via GEDCOM: it is better for them if you stay with their program and > pay the upgrade fees for the new versions. > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org >              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

In an email dated Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:50:19 GMT, Brian Randell <Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk> writes: > PS I also have worries about the efforts of the Northumberland > Tourist Board - to (mis)quote something I read years ago in a > San Francisco newspaper: "Isn't it nice that the millions of > people who prefer the South of England to the North of England > live there! And it's genealogically difficult when myriads of Northern ancestors claimed to prefer the North to the South but still chose to move down country. ;-) I also like a comment on a radio programme that there are 4 million people living in Wales - and 7 million Welshmen living outside singing about how lovely it is to live in Wales. ;-)

Thanks to everyone for their help. Alastair Ewart

In message of 28 Nov, Peter Abbott <peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com> wrote: > Generations on the PC is from the same stable, developed by Reunion. > It is my preferred choice even though updates are no longer available > on PCs. It depends on how much your data is important to you and how much time you have invested in it. But the problem with continuing to use Generations on a PC is if there should be some development in the PC operating system that finally prevents Generations from running. This is more likely to affect you when you replace your old PC as the new one will have the newest operating system. If you decide this is unacceptable, you have to consider what you will do with your data. You cannot transfer it all out reliably using GEDCOM; this inevitably leads to some problems. I have even come to the conclusion that the genealogy program designers might have deliberately made it difficult for you to transfer serious amounts of data via GEDCOM: it is better for them if you stay with their program and pay the upgrade fees for the new versions. There are two means of getting the data out without compromising it: TMG on a PC and Reunion on a Mac. I tried the TMG route and failed to like that all-encompassing platform; they had done well to make something work under FoxPro but there is nothing to beat a purpose designed interface. But it has a strong following and many like it for its power. TMG has a very powerful program that will take data direct out of the master files of many other genealogy programs including Generations; I used this successfully. This left Reunion on a Mac and the new Mini is a very capable machine and takes the sensible move of not requiring you to buy keyboard, mouse or monitor with it; you use your old ones. The owners of Reunion will convert your Generations file to a Reunion one for you, within a few hours too; I do not know how much longer they will do this, of course - they don't advertise this service but if you ask nicely they may still do it. Admittedly I now have the risk that Reunion will cease being developed on the Mac but all programs are subject to that risk. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

David I agree with your approach. Peter At 14:50 28/11/2005, you wrote: >You are right Peter. Generations evolved from Reunion many years ago and I >believe they are still very similar. I have tried many other genealogy >programmes over the years as a possible eventual replacement for my >Generations (version 8.05a UK edition) but I have seen none to compare. I >will only move away from this when it falls down around my ears even though >there are one or two minor snags. I keep looking at new versions of other >programmes but have yet to see anything that comes anywhere close to its >presentation, ease of use and versatility. > >I understand that it is no longer being updated however the good news is >that it is still available from twrcomputing.co.uk at in my opinion is a >bargain price. > >Regards all. > >David Tappin >d.tappin@ntlworld.com >Family Personal Web Pages www.tappin.org.uk >Family Genealogy Web Pages http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.tappin > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Abbott [mailto:peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com] >Sent: 28 November 2005 14:14 >To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SoG] Family tree software > > >Generations on the PC is from the same stable, developed by Reunion. >It is my preferred choice even though updates are no longer available on >PCs. > >Peter > >At 23:10 27/11/2005, you wrote: > >In message of 27 Nov, "Alastair Ewart" > ><alastair@ewart62.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > I am currently using 'Family Origins' and wish to update to a more > > > uptodate programme. I am considering either Family tree 06 or Roots > > > Magic. Currently my trees print out with the ancestor starting at > > > the lefthand edge. I would like it to start in the middle. Also a > > > programme which might also print out the ancestors of both Husband > > > and Wife. > > > Any help out there? > > > >Buy a Mac Mini and run Reunion: it has one of the best family tree > >programs I've come across. (That's what I did earlier this year.) > > > >-- > >Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > > For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

An excellent site where people discuss the latest software, etc: http://genforum.genealogy.com/ Cheers, Edna ~ Ottawa

You are right Peter. Generations evolved from Reunion many years ago and I believe they are still very similar. I have tried many other genealogy programmes over the years as a possible eventual replacement for my Generations (version 8.05a UK edition) but I have seen none to compare. I will only move away from this when it falls down around my ears even though there are one or two minor snags. I keep looking at new versions of other programmes but have yet to see anything that comes anywhere close to its presentation, ease of use and versatility. I understand that it is no longer being updated however the good news is that it is still available from twrcomputing.co.uk at in my opinion is a bargain price. Regards all. David Tappin d.tappin@ntlworld.com Family Personal Web Pages www.tappin.org.uk Family Genealogy Web Pages http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.tappin -----Original Message----- From: Peter Abbott [mailto:peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com] Sent: 28 November 2005 14:14 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] Family tree software Generations on the PC is from the same stable, developed by Reunion. It is my preferred choice even though updates are no longer available on PCs. Peter At 23:10 27/11/2005, you wrote: >In message of 27 Nov, "Alastair Ewart" ><alastair@ewart62.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > > I am currently using 'Family Origins' and wish to update to a more > > uptodate programme. I am considering either Family tree 06 or Roots > > Magic. Currently my trees print out with the ancestor starting at > > the lefthand edge. I would like it to start in the middle. Also a > > programme which might also print out the ancestors of both Husband > > and Wife. > > Any help out there? > >Buy a Mac Mini and run Reunion: it has one of the best family tree >programs I've come across. (That's what I did earlier this year.) > >-- >Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Generations on the PC is from the same stable, developed by Reunion. It is my preferred choice even though updates are no longer available on PCs. Peter At 23:10 27/11/2005, you wrote: >In message of 27 Nov, "Alastair Ewart" ><alastair@ewart62.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > > I am currently using 'Family Origins' and wish to update to a more > > uptodate programme. I am considering either Family tree 06 or Roots > > Magic. > > Currently my trees print out with the ancestor starting at the > > lefthand edge. I would like it to start in the middle. Also a > > programme which might also print out the ancestors of both Husband > > and Wife. > > Any help out there? > >Buy a Mac Mini and run Reunion: it has one of the best family tree >programs I've come across. (That's what I did earlier this year.) > >-- >Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

The manual comes only in an electronic version on the installation disc. It's good for answering specific queries, but you can't beat a proper book for browsing and picking up helpful tips. Angela Hamilton On 28 Nov 2005, at 11:00 am, Peter Amsden wrote: > In earlier version a really good how-to book came as part of the > package. > Have they stopped doing that? > > > -- > Peter Amsden > Argyll, Scotland > > > >> From: stella <stellamy@mac.com> >> Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:47:11 +0000 >> To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SoG] Family tree software >> Resent-From: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >> Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 03:47:23 -0700 >> >> That's a very good point - I would really appreciate some input on >> using Reunion, too. Much as I love it, I suspect there's a lot more >> to it than I know! >> >> On 28 Nov 2005, at 09:17, angela hamilton wrote: >> >>> John Hanson mentions the tutorials etc. run by the Society for >>> users of various family history programmes. When are we going to >>> have one for all of us Mac users with Reunion 8. I can't be the >>> only one who could do with a bit of input. Angela Hamilton >>> >> >

In earlier version a really good how-to book came as part of the package. Have they stopped doing that? -- Peter Amsden Argyll, Scotland > From: stella <stellamy@mac.com> > Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:47:11 +0000 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SoG] Family tree software > Resent-From: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 03:47:23 -0700 > > That's a very good point - I would really appreciate some input on > using Reunion, too. Much as I love it, I suspect there's a lot more > to it than I know! > > On 28 Nov 2005, at 09:17, angela hamilton wrote: > >> John Hanson mentions the tutorials etc. run by the Society for >> users of various family history programmes. When are we going to >> have one for all of us Mac users with Reunion 8. I can't be the >> only one who could do with a bit of input. Angela Hamilton >> >

That's a very good point - I would really appreciate some input on using Reunion, too. Much as I love it, I suspect there's a lot more to it than I know! On 28 Nov 2005, at 09:17, angela hamilton wrote: > John Hanson mentions the tutorials etc. run by the Society for > users of various family history programmes. When are we going to > have one for all of us Mac users with Reunion 8. I can't be the > only one who could do with a bit of input. Angela Hamilton >