Today's news says that ITV has acquired Friends Reunited (& per an interview with an ITV executive, are gleefully rubbing their hands at the prospect of acquiring this large data base for marketing ITV goods & services). As it was my understanding that Friends Reunited (& their second company Genes Reunited) had recently acquired the 1901 census from the original company who transcribed it, does this then mean that ITV now has Friends Reunited, Genes Reunited & the 1901 census online? Will the users of any or some of these web sites now become targets for ITV marketing? Does anyone have further info on this? Mary

I have had quite a bit of success in finding people in the census on Ancestry by leaving the surname blank, when I have known the birthplace and approximate year of birth of one of the family. It is best to search for family member with the least common first name. Some of the surnames that have come up as a result have had the most unusual spellings that I would never have thought of searching for. I believe that Ancestry have the 1841 census well under way, so hopefully it will not be too long before they have it on-line. Regards Celia

Peter is quite correct in that the 72 hours does NOT include access the the Origins Census material. If you are still getting access then you are one of the lucky ones and I suspect at some time in the future, when and if Origins get themselves sorted out, that you quite likely lose the access. You can of course get access to the full set of Origins material, including the Census, from within the Library. Regards John Hanson -----Original Message----- From: peter dooley [mailto:peter_dooley@hotmail.com] Sent: 05 December 2005 16:25 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services Hi Peter thanks for comments. I will try British Origins. I had thought our 72 hr access only cover data from the SoG library. Regards, Peter >From: Peter Abbott <peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com> >Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services >Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:05:41 +0000 > >Peter > >I find that if you are imaginative with the 1851 index you can usually >find those that you know are there. The 1841 indexes are available free >with your SOG membership for 72 hours each quarter on British origins. > >Peter > >At 08:49 05/12/2005, you wrote: >>I am looking for name searchable online 1841 and 1851 censuses. I >>tried Ancestry's 1851 but couldn't find some names I knew were there >>from microfilm searches. >> >>Has anyone tried http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk for 1841 and/or 1851? >>I would appreciate any comments. >> >>Regards, Peter >> >> > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Peter is quite correct in that the 72 hours does NOT include access the the Origins Census material. If you are still getting access then you are one of the lucky ones and I suspect at some time in the future, when and if Origins get themselves sorted out, that you quite likely lose the access. You can of course get access to the full set of Origins material, including the Census, from within the Library. Regards John Hanson -----Original Message----- From: peter dooley [mailto:peter_dooley@hotmail.com] Sent: 05 December 2005 16:25 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services Hi Peter thanks for comments. I will try British Origins. I had thought our 72 hr access only cover data from the SoG library. Regards, Peter >From: Peter Abbott <peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com> >Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services >Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:05:41 +0000 > >Peter > >I find that if you are imaginative with the 1851 index you can usually >find those that you know are there. The 1841 indexes are available free >with your SOG membership for 72 hours each quarter on British origins. > >Peter > >At 08:49 05/12/2005, you wrote: >>I am looking for name searchable online 1841 and 1851 censuses. I >>tried Ancestry's 1851 but couldn't find some names I knew were there >>from microfilm searches. >> >>Has anyone tried http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk for 1841 and/or 1851? >>I would appreciate any comments. >> >>Regards, Peter >> >> > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi Simon I logged in again and 1841 search bar appeared - it hadn't been there before. So thanks for the tip. I am now curious as to how you get into the 1871 census. Regards, Peter >From: Simon Pugh <Simon@mrzsp.demon.co.uk> >Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services >Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:41:37 +0000 > >I just did it today, the 1841 census search is separate from the others. > >Once you are logged in it appears in gold just under the Search by >name/search by place buttons. > >In message <BAY104-F336B4F62ED4E8B4D57BF01F2410@phx.gbl>, peter dooley ><peter_dooley@hotmail.com> writes >>Hi Peter >> >>I have logged onto the British Origins site as you suggested BUT the 1841 >>and 1871 censuses do not seem to be available. The SoG site says "Members >>can view all SoG material on British Origins" which implies not the 1841 >>census. >> >>Can advise how I can access the 1841 census once I am on the BO site? >> >>Regards, Peter >> >> >>>From: Peter Abbott <peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com> >>>Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services >>>Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:05:41 +0000 >>> >>>Peter >>> >>>I find that if you are imaginative with the 1851 index you can usually >>>find those that you know are there. The 1841 indexes are available free >>>with your SOG membership for 72 hours each quarter on British origins. >>> >>>Peter >>> >>>At 08:49 05/12/2005, you wrote: >>>>I am looking for name searchable online 1841 and 1851 censuses. I tried >>>>Ancestry's 1851 but couldn't find some names I knew were there from >>>>microfilm searches. >>>> >>>>Has anyone tried http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk for 1841 and/or 1851? I >>>>would appreciate any comments. >>>> >>>>Regards, Peter >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >-- >Simon Pugh >

I just did it today, the 1841 census search is separate from the others. Once you are logged in it appears in gold just under the Search by name/search by place buttons. In message <BAY104-F336B4F62ED4E8B4D57BF01F2410@phx.gbl>, peter dooley <peter_dooley@hotmail.com> writes >Hi Peter > >I have logged onto the British Origins site as you suggested BUT the >1841 and 1871 censuses do not seem to be available. The SoG site says >"Members can view all SoG material on British Origins" which implies >not the 1841 census. > >Can advise how I can access the 1841 census once I am on the BO site? > >Regards, Peter > > >>From: Peter Abbott <peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com> >>Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >>To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services >>Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:05:41 +0000 >> >>Peter >> >>I find that if you are imaginative with the 1851 index you can usually >>find those that you know are there. The 1841 indexes are available >>free with your SOG membership for 72 hours each quarter on British >>origins. >> >>Peter >> >>At 08:49 05/12/2005, you wrote: >>>I am looking for name searchable online 1841 and 1851 censuses. I >>>tried Ancestry's 1851 but couldn't find some names I knew were there >>>from microfilm searches. >>> >>>Has anyone tried http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk for 1841 and/or >>>1851? I would appreciate any comments. >>> >>>Regards, Peter >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- Simon Pugh

Hi Peter I have logged onto the British Origins site as you suggested BUT the 1841 and 1871 censuses do not seem to be available. The SoG site says "Members can view all SoG material on British Origins" which implies not the 1841 census. Can advise how I can access the 1841 census once I am on the BO site? Regards, Peter >From: Peter Abbott <peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com> >Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services >Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:05:41 +0000 > >Peter > >I find that if you are imaginative with the 1851 index you can usually find >those that you know are there. The 1841 indexes are available free with >your SOG membership for 72 hours each quarter on British origins. > >Peter > >At 08:49 05/12/2005, you wrote: >>I am looking for name searchable online 1841 and 1851 censuses. I tried >>Ancestry's 1851 but couldn't find some names I knew were there from >>microfilm searches. >> >>Has anyone tried http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk for 1841 and/or 1851? I >>would appreciate any comments. >> >>Regards, Peter >> >> > >

Hi Peter thanks for comments. I will try British Origins. I had thought our 72 hr access only cover data from the SoG library. Regards, Peter >From: Peter Abbott <peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com> >Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services >Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:05:41 +0000 > >Peter > >I find that if you are imaginative with the 1851 index you can usually find >those that you know are there. The 1841 indexes are available free with >your SOG membership for 72 hours each quarter on British origins. > >Peter > >At 08:49 05/12/2005, you wrote: >>I am looking for name searchable online 1841 and 1851 censuses. I tried >>Ancestry's 1851 but couldn't find some names I knew were there from >>microfilm searches. >> >>Has anyone tried http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk for 1841 and/or 1851? I >>would appreciate any comments. >> >>Regards, Peter >> >> > >

Perhaps you have been particularly unlucky with the 1837 1861 census Mike. I have found plenty of errors in it but have been able to identify my own family. The good thing about 1837 is that they react very quickly if you point out the errors AND they refund the money you pay to see and correct their transcription. I'm a satisfied customer. Eileen On Monday, December 5, 2005, at 01:04 pm, garrettcm wrote: > > A good E-mail from Peter Dooley after a very frustrating session. > 1837.online has been great and has got me miles down the road on every > family branch but their 1861 census was a disaster. All got married > in the 1850's, I have their marriage certificates so I know they are > there but not on the 1861 search facility. I can only conclude that > they were badly transcibed. Any body else think the same, no > alternative but a visit to the reference library which is not too far > away. > > British origins was my next port of call, my first try. Any tips on > getting started. I log on then they want me to log on again. I search > from the front page then I have to pay or go through the repeat SOG > log on. I thought it was free up to 72 hours! Any body tryed the > Irish links. > > Many thanks > Mike Garrett, Cheshire >

Dear Eddy, A good while ago on SOG-UK-L you wrote: > Would any one have a suggestion on how/ where I could search > online for "Orphans/ Orphaniges or appointed Gardians around > 1900 in South east Essex. If you haven't already considered it, there is a mailing list for Essex hosted by RootsWeb (similar to the SOG-UK list.) Details at < http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ESSEX-UK.html >. Regards Elmo. -- --Keith Elmo ELDRIDGE Essex-UK-Admin@rootsweb.com --Elmo@aphelia.co.uk --Buxworth, High Peak, Derbyshire, England. --Listowner Essex-UK-L

Go on to the SOG site and enter origins from there and you can get the free 72 hour access. On the SOG site choose <http://www.sog.org.uk/#news4>How to access the Society's data online Then Members should go to <http://www.originsnetwork.com/help/popup-aboutbo-sog.htm>Origins SoG Members help for detailed instructions of how to access the website. Peter At 13:04 05/12/2005, you wrote: >A good E-mail from Peter Dooley after a very frustrating >session. 1837.online has been great and has got me miles down the >road on every family branch but their 1861 census was a >disaster. All got married in the 1850's, I have their marriage >certificates so I know they are there but not on the 1861 search >facility. I can only conclude that they were badly transcibed. Any >body else think the same, no alternative but a visit to the >reference library which is not too far away. > >British origins was my next port of call, my first try. Any tips on >getting started. I log on then they want me to log on again. I >search from the front page then I have to pay or go through the >repeat SOG log on. I thought it was free up to 72 hours! Any body >tryed the Irish links. > >Many thanks >Mike Garrett, Cheshire

Peter I find that if you are imaginative with the 1851 index you can usually find those that you know are there. The 1841 indexes are available free with your SOG membership for 72 hours each quarter on British origins. Peter At 08:49 05/12/2005, you wrote: >I am looking for name searchable online 1841 and 1851 censuses. I >tried Ancestry's 1851 but couldn't find some names I knew were there >from microfilm searches. > >Has anyone tried http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk for 1841 and/or >1851? I would appreciate any comments. > >Regards, Peter > >

A good E-mail from Peter Dooley after a very frustrating session. 1837.online has been great and has got me miles down the road on every family branch but their 1861 census was a disaster. All got married in the 1850's, I have their marriage certificates so I know they are there but not on the 1861 search facility. I can only conclude that they were badly transcibed. Any body else think the same, no alternative but a visit to the reference library which is not too far away. British origins was my next port of call, my first try. Any tips on getting started. I log on then they want me to log on again. I search from the front page then I have to pay or go through the repeat SOG log on. I thought it was free up to 72 hours! Any body tryed the Irish links. Many thanks Mike Garrett, Cheshire

I am looking for name searchable online 1841 and 1851 censuses. I tried Ancestry's 1851 but couldn't find some names I knew were there from microfilm searches. Has anyone tried http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk for 1841 and/or 1851? I would appreciate any comments. Regards, Peter

I've also had this problem with the IGI, as I mainly use it for looking at big blocks (looking for holes in the wall) this got so up my nose that I shut down and went to have a shout at the snow. Also during Freebdm sessions I get told that we are overloaded and would I kindly leave. (which I do) With Origins I get all set up to really use my free 72 hours and then something gets in between and I then wait for another 3 months. 1837 online.. familyhistory online..ancestrycom and kindred. these are the apples of my eye. They cost but then again I'm the boss. Eddy in bavaria

Hi, Try and get on-line when t'other half of the world is sleeping..... so do come in and stop yodeling in the snow. Cheers, Edna - (;-))ttawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edw.j.Tate" <weiss.tate@t-online.de> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:53 AM Subject: [SoG] Re.A2A looking for. I've also had this problem with the IGI, as I mainly use it for looking at big blocks (looking for holes in the wall) this got so up my nose that I shut down and went to have a shout at the snow. Also during Freebdm sessions I get told that we are overloaded and would I kindly leave. (which I do) With Origins I get all set up to really use my free 72 hours and then something gets in between and I then wait for another 3 months. 1837 online.. familyhistory online..ancestrycom and kindred. these are the apples of my eye. They cost but then again I'm the boss. Eddy in bavaria

Peter B Park wrote: > I couldn't have been concentrating on Wednesday when they announced over the > public address system - Poor Law Commission Minutes must have distracted me. You may also have been predisposed to hear 'week' Peter. My recollection is that stocktaking has been a straight calendar week for some years past and that this year it has changed from past habit. = Malcolm.

Precedent is always important. I would have thought that any proposal to simply adopt the Scottish system should at least get over the first hurdle! > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Whitehead [mailto:michael.whitehead2@tesco.net] > Sent: 02 December 2005 01:21 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] [SoG-NEWS] Registration Modernisation > > > I hold a Scottish Marriage Certificate dated 21 December 1866, and > have thought for some how helpful it would be if England and Wales could > adopt the Scottish model.. <portions snipped>

Sorry, as a couple of you have pointed out, I got it wrong! TNA is closed today (Friday), Saturday and Monday - open again on Tuesday. I couldn't have been concentrating on Wednesday when they announced over the public address system - Poor Law Commission Minutes must have distracted me. Peter Park

01.00 2.12.2005 In an e-mail receiver by me on 20 November the Genealogy Officer of the SOG wrote some notes including the following :- " There are proposals to add extra information e.g. on death certificates (widows details as well as widowers) and record name changes. GRO says it wants secondary legislation to make minor changes to what is recorded. This might be an opportunity for family historians to request more significant changes such as the addition of dates of births and marriage of parents on a birth certificate, or marriage details on death certificates. " I hold a Scottish Marriage Certificate dated 21 December 1866, and have thought for some how helpful it would be if England and Wales could adopt the Scottish model.. It included not only the names, ages, occupations and marital status, addresses of both parties, but also in addition to the names and occupations of both fathers, the names AND MAIDEN SURNAMES of both mothers. M D Whitehead