Edna, Reciprocated greetings to you and yours. Shades of Charles Dickens' "Bleak House" there. ( Just been cerealised - shredded tweet, of course! - by the Beeb ) cheers Phil. In wet, windy, wiltshire Alliteration rules OK > > From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> > Date: 2005/12/30 Fri PM 04:19:50 GMT > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] 1852 NEW YEAR RESOLUTIONS > > With many thanks to all who have helped me with my WORTH, BLAKE, HELLYER, KNIGHT trees. > > Healthy New Year! > > Edna - sunny Ottawa > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > NEWS FLASH......... 1852 NEW YEAR RESOLUTIONS SOLVE GENEALOGICAL MYSTERIES. > It is New Year's Eve 1852 and Henry HYDENWELL sits at his desk by candlelight. He dips his quill pen in ink and begins to writes his New Year's resolutions. > > 1. No man is truly well-educated unless he learns to spell his name at least three different ways within the same document. I resolve to give the appearance of being extremely well-educated in the coming year. > > 2. I resolve to see to it that all of my children will have the same names that my ancestors have used for six generations in a row. > > 3. My age is no one's business but my own. I hereby resolve to never list the same age or birth year twice on any document. > > 4. I resolve to have each of my children baptized in a different church -- either in a different faith or in a different parish. Every third child will not be baptized at all or will be baptized by an itinerant minister who keeps no records. > > 5. I resolve to move to a new town, new county, or new state at least once every 10 years -- just before those pesky enumerators come around asking silly questions. > > 6. I will make every attempt to reside in counties and towns where no vital records are maintained or where the courthouse burns down every few years. > > 7. I resolve to join an obscure religious cult that does not believe in record keeping or in participating in military service. > > 8. When the tax collector comes to my door, I'll loan him my pen, which has been dipped in rapidly fading blue ink. > > 9. I resolve that if my beloved wife Mary should die, I will marry another Mary. > > 10. I resolve not to make a will. Who needs to spend money on a lawyer? > > Phil Warn Wootton Bassett Swindon ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

LOL Edna!! I think my g-g-grandfather must have come across your rellie. Besides moving from place to place, having 5 children in 4 districts, he appeared to have been an unbaptised heathen and perhaps most disconcerting, since he was born in 1822, not dying yet.... Best wishes for the new year to you and all my fellow genealogists Kind regards Nick

With many thanks to all who have helped me with my WORTH, BLAKE, HELLYER, KNIGHT trees. Healthy New Year! Edna - sunny Ottawa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEWS FLASH......... 1852 NEW YEAR RESOLUTIONS SOLVE GENEALOGICAL MYSTERIES. It is New Year's Eve 1852 and Henry HYDENWELL sits at his desk by candlelight. He dips his quill pen in ink and begins to writes his New Year's resolutions. 1. No man is truly well-educated unless he learns to spell his name at least three different ways within the same document. I resolve to give the appearance of being extremely well-educated in the coming year. 2. I resolve to see to it that all of my children will have the same names that my ancestors have used for six generations in a row. 3. My age is no one's business but my own. I hereby resolve to never list the same age or birth year twice on any document. 4. I resolve to have each of my children baptized in a different church -- either in a different faith or in a different parish. Every third child will not be baptized at all or will be baptized by an itinerant minister who keeps no records. 5. I resolve to move to a new town, new county, or new state at least once every 10 years -- just before those pesky enumerators come around asking silly questions. 6. I will make every attempt to reside in counties and towns where no vital records are maintained or where the courthouse burns down every few years. 7. I resolve to join an obscure religious cult that does not believe in record keeping or in participating in military service. 8. When the tax collector comes to my door, I'll loan him my pen, which has been dipped in rapidly fading blue ink. 9. I resolve that if my beloved wife Mary should die, I will marry another Mary. 10. I resolve not to make a will. Who needs to spend money on a lawyer?

I thought I would let this list know how useful my 72 hour access to Britishorigins has been over this holiday period. A 20 year 'brick wall' now has a door, thanks to Britishorgins.com. There seems not to be a marriage at the GRO indexes for my Great Grandparents CAROLINE HUNT and CHARLES FLAY. Caroline without fail on later Census gave her birthplace as Bridgwater, Somerset, but I had never tracked her down, except to find that there are at least 3 Caroline HUNT, all aged 14 or 15 on the 1851 Census. 1861 has Caroline and Charles FLAY married and living at home with Father-in-Law Thomas FLAY in Frog Lane, Calne, Wiltshire. I have a Disk from Archived CD books of 1841 Bridgewater, but after a painstaking search with no index failed to find any suitable HUNT family. Therefore access to 1841 was quite exciting as I found her aged 4. That Census was taken on June 6, 1841, which means she was 4 years old before June of that year, so probably born before the first Registration in 1837, but I am very grateful for this progress after many frustrating years. I will now have to find some way of consulting the Parish Registers of COSSINGTON. Joan Vinall 3839 in Berkshire also researching VINALL in London and Sussex BOSWELL in Oxfordshire and Surrey.

Posting early for christmas.... wishing all fellow members and Staff the best Seasons Greetings including a happy and healthy New Year.... Yours.. Eddy in bavaria..

Thank you to everyone who replied to my query. Angela Hamilton

Absolutely Nick. It could only have been either that, or the other, or the other other, or.... Lawrence. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nickburton99@aol.com [mailto:Nickburton99@aol.com] > Sent: 11 December 2005 23:39 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SoG] will > > > Looks like a linguistic solution is more likely then, but > worth a shout. > > Regards > > Nick > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release > Date: 09/12/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Ha Haa! Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 09/12/2005

The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary provides examples of the use of "either" in the late 16th and early 17th centuries: * Either = each of more than two (1588) * Either = any one of more than two (1616) Derek -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: angela hamilton [mailto:ag.hamilton22@skylinkmail.co.uk] Sendt: 10. desember 2005 20:06 Til: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Emne: [SoG] will I have obtained a copy of the will of my 4XG grandfather written in 1830. At one point it says '....if either of my children should marry to any advantage.....'. He had 9 children and at the time the will was written at least six and probably eight were still living and none was married. Does the use of 'either' simply imply 'any' or have I got the wrong will (very unlikely) or the wrong children (also unlikely). I'd appreciate any help. Thanks, Angela Hamilton

Looks like a linguistic solution is more likely then, but worth a shout. Regards Nick

Hello. I had that thought too! However he had 4 daughters and 2, probably 3, sons, still alive when the will was written. Regards, Angela On 11 Dec 2005, at 10:47 am, Nickburton99@aol.com wrote: > Hi Angela > > How many sons and daughters did he have? Could his will have referred > to > his daughters only? Just a thought... > > Kind regards > > Nick Burton >

Hi Angela How many sons and daughters did he have? Could his will have referred to his daughters only? Just a thought... Kind regards Nick Burton

I checked my Webster's New International (a US dictionary admittedly, but still excellent!), and the word 'either' has four entries. The first emphatically restricts it to describing a choice of only two alternatives. The second entry begins: "1. (archaic) adverb: each of two or more ("at either of the three corners is an exquisite... bust" - W. D. Howells)... 2. One of two or more". And the third entry says the word "is used as a function word before two or more coordinate words". Lawrence Greenall. > -----Original Message----- > From: angela hamilton [mailto:ag.hamilton22@skylinkmail.co.uk] > Sent: 10 December 2005 19:06 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] will > > > I have obtained a copy of the will of my 4XG grandfather written in > 1830. At one point it says '....if either of my children > should marry > to any advantage.....'. He had 9 children and at the time > the will was > written at least six and probably eight were still living and > none was > married. > Does the use of 'either' simply imply 'any' or have I got the wrong > will (very unlikely) or the wrong children (also unlikely). I'd > appreciate any help. Thanks, Angela Hamilton > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release > Date: 09/12/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Ha Haa! Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 09/12/2005

Why not check out the Death Duty Registers (TNA IR 26 indexed in IR 27) - it is likely to clarify that for you. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "angela hamilton" <ag.hamilton22@skylinkmail.co.uk> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: [SoG] will | I have obtained a copy of the will of my 4XG grandfather written in | 1830. At one point it says '....if either of my children should marry | to any advantage.....'. He had 9 children and at the time the will was | written at least six and probably eight were still living and none was | married. | Does the use of 'either' simply imply 'any' or have I got the wrong | will (very unlikely) or the wrong children (also unlikely). I'd | appreciate any help. Thanks, Angela Hamilton | | -- | This email has been verified as Virus free | Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net

I have obtained a copy of the will of my 4XG grandfather written in 1830. At one point it says '....if either of my children should marry to any advantage.....'. He had 9 children and at the time the will was written at least six and probably eight were still living and none was married. Does the use of 'either' simply imply 'any' or have I got the wrong will (very unlikely) or the wrong children (also unlikely). I'd appreciate any help. Thanks, Angela Hamilton

Members may be interested in this message sent to panel members of the TNA online advisory group. If there any issues you want me to raise at the next panel meeting on January 11 do let me know Else Churchill Genealogy Officer Society of Genealogists, 14 Charterhouse Buildings, London, EC1M 7BA Tel +44 (0)20 7702 5488 Fax +44 (0)20 7250 1800. You will already have seen the announcement that ITV have bought Friends Reunited, and with it the right to operate the 1901 census service (story available at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4502550.stm). I would like you to know that ITV have assured us that they are extremely committed to maintaining and expanding the service, and we are confident that they will be excellent licensees. Indeed, we understand that Friends' expansion into genealogy was one of the main attractions for ITV. If you have any specific questions that you would like to put to either party, either at the next Panel or via TNA, please let me know. With best wishes for happy online adventures this Christmas James James Strachan Head of Online Services & Strategic Marketing, The National Archives 020 8392 5375 m 0777 333 1249 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ This email has been scanned for viruses by NetBenefit using Sophos anti-virus technology

There may be some confusion about connecting to orignsnetwork.com If you use the link from the text explaining the Free access for members to www.originsnetwork.com you will need to log in and, if not already done validate your Society Account for 72 hours free access to the Society's datasets only each quarter. If you use the image link (which goes to www.anrdoezrs.net) you can then sign up to use the whole of the originsnetwork.com site You have to pay but SoG gets an affiliate fee. Further queries to me off list please - if this is not how it is working for you let me know - I am unable to test from here as I have a special account for testing the access from the Library (which does give access to all of the datasets on originsnetwork.com) Chris Broomfield At 11:04 06/12/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Peter > >Sorry but I have used my free access for this quarter. > >Once you have signed on via the SOG site (from memory) click on >search and somewhere on the search page is a link to the 1841 census records. > >Sorry I cannot be more specific. > >Peter >At 17:58 05/12/2005, you wrote: >>Hi Peter >> >>I have logged onto the British Origins site as you suggested BUT >>the 1841 and 1871 censuses do not seem to be available. The SoG >>site says "Members can view all SoG material on British Origins" >>which implies not the 1841 census. >> >>Can advise how I can access the 1841 census once I am on the BO site? >> >>Regards, Peter >> >> >>>From: Peter Abbott <peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com> >>>Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services >>>Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:05:41 +0000 >>> >>>Peter >>> >>>I find that if you are imaginative with the 1851 index you can >>>usually find those that you know are there. The 1841 indexes are >>>available free with your SOG membership for 72 hours each quarter >>>on British origins. >>> >>>Peter >>> >>>At 08:49 05/12/2005, you wrote: >>>>I am looking for name searchable online 1841 and 1851 >>>>censuses. I tried Ancestry's 1851 but couldn't find some names I >>>>knew were there from microfilm searches. >>>> >>>>Has anyone tried http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk for 1841 and/or >>>>1851? I would appreciate any comments. >>>> >>>>Regards, Peter >> > > > >______________________________________________ >This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >http://www.netintelligence.com/email > Chris Broomfield, Webmaster, Society of Genealogists, London webmaster@sog.org.uk www.sog.org.uk Search the Library Catalogue from home. Use www.sog.org.uk/sogcat/ On-line retail shopping? Use www.buy.at/genealogists our affiliate shop and SoG gains funds at no cost to you

One can only hope that ITV will sort out the now impossible updating facility on the web site. I fear that everything that was once small enough to be valuable is now being taken over by the big conglomerates. Quantity will rapidly supplant quality, and those who really value genealogy will simply stop using it as a resource. I am sure that somewhere in the wings another web site with similar offerings is waiting to come on stage. ---- Peter Amsden, Argyll, Scotland Researching Amsden World Wide Outline History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~amsden Books I have written: http://www.btinternet.com/~amsden AllExperts: http://www.allexperts.com/displayExpert.asp?Expert=38044 Never dump originals - they may be all that is left after the computer age. > From: MWTRE@aol.com > Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:17:34 EST > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] merger query > Resent-From: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 05:17:41 -0700 > > Today's news says that ITV has acquired Friends Reunited (& per an interview > with an ITV executive, are gleefully rubbing their hands at the prospect of > acquiring this large data base for marketing ITV goods & services). As it > was my understanding that Friends Reunited (& their second company Genes > Reunited) had recently acquired the 1901 census from the original company who > transcribed it, does this then mean that ITV now has Friends Reunited, Genes > Reunited & the 1901 census online? Will the users of any or some of these > web > sites now become targets for ITV marketing? Does anyone have further info on > this? > Mary >

I have also found that using first names or parts of first names with county etc seems to find a lot of the ones I am interested in. It also enable me to supply corrections to surnames to help update and provide a better index. Peter At 12:09 06/12/2005, you wrote: >I have had quite a bit of success in finding people in the census on >Ancestry by leaving the surname blank, when I have known the birthplace and >approximate year of birth of one of the family. It is best to search >for family >member with the least common first name. Some of the surnames >that have come up as >a result have had the most unusual spellings that I would never have thought >of searching for. I believe that Ancestry have the 1841 census well under >way, so hopefully it will not be too long before they have it on-line. > >Regards Celia

Mary, >Does anyone have further info on this?< Dick Eastman's Newsletter this week mention it. Go to http://blog.eogn.com/ 4th story. It also said, " ITV believes Friends Reunited will tie in well with its plans to launch local TV stations." Read into this what you will!! Jeanne Bunting

Peter Sorry but I have used my free access for this quarter. Once you have signed on via the SOG site (from memory) click on search and somewhere on the search page is a link to the 1841 census records. Sorry I cannot be more specific. Peter At 17:58 05/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi Peter > >I have logged onto the British Origins site as you suggested BUT the >1841 and 1871 censuses do not seem to be available. The SoG site >says "Members can view all SoG material on British Origins" which >implies not the 1841 census. > >Can advise how I can access the 1841 census once I am on the BO site? > >Regards, Peter > > >>From: Peter Abbott <peterabbott.eymore@btinternet.com> >>Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >>To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 and 1851 online census services >>Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:05:41 +0000 >> >>Peter >> >>I find that if you are imaginative with the 1851 index you can >>usually find those that you know are there. The 1841 indexes are >>available free with your SOG membership for 72 hours each quarter >>on British origins. >> >>Peter >> >>At 08:49 05/12/2005, you wrote: >>>I am looking for name searchable online 1841 and 1851 censuses. I >>>tried Ancestry's 1851 but couldn't find some names I knew were >>>there from microfilm searches. >>> >>>Has anyone tried http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk for 1841 and/or >>>1851? I would appreciate any comments. >>> >>>Regards, Peter >>> >> > >