"Brian Beanland" <brian.beanland@virgin.net> wrote : >I am in the final stages of preparing a family history book using Family >Tree Maker 2006. I would estimate that the completed book will comprise 200 >pages of A4 - the book is a mixture of text and pictures. > >Does anyone have experience of having a family tree book professionally >printed? I doubt that I will require more than 30 copies. In particular I >would be interested to understand: <snip> No experience of, but there is a company called something like 'Parchment Printers' which specialises in genealogical printing. They are regular attenders at FHS open days and someone else may be able to supply an address, somewhere in Oxford, I think. John B Leic., Eng

At 18:49 18/02/2006, Brian Beanland wrote: >I am in the final stages of preparing a family history book using Family >Tree Maker 2006. I would estimate that the completed book will comprise 200 >pages of A4 - the book is a mixture of text and pictures. >Does anyone have experience of having a family tree book professionally >printed? I doubt that I will require more than 30 copies. In particular I >would be interested to understand: >1. Precisely what format will a professional printer require me to present >the book to him, and will he need to have the FTM program on his system? >2. Is A4 the best size for the finished book? >3. Is there likely to be a large cost difference in having the book printed >in colour? >4. What facts do those who have published their books wish they had known >before they handed the copy to the printer? Comments from a very interested (but inexperienced) observer:- Sorry if I am a bit niaive, but I am prompted to ask some questions 1. Do you really need the help of a "printer": if you only want 30 copies? 2. Are you are just looking for a quality binder to make the finished object look professional ? 3. Pages?; There is a big difference between 200 sheets and 200 sides of A4. 4. Could you not do most of the printing, using home computer facilities and/or local copy shops (in colour)? 5. As the cost of asking someone else to produce and bind 30 sets of a "smart book" is likely to be very high, would it be an option to produce a master in .PDF so interested persons can print their own, and then just pay a binder to make say 5 "smart books" ? 6. Is there a UK equivalent of the on-line publishing house <www.lulu.com> ? Best wishes with your project, but obviously a lot depends on what quality you are prepared to pay for. Gordon +Z +Z_______________+Z_______________+Z__________________________+Z <www.adshead.com> Gordon Adshead Manchester Design Technology Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, England Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-777-6145602 <gordon@adshead.com>

I am in the final stages of preparing a family history book using Family Tree Maker 2006. I would estimate that the completed book will comprise 200 pages of A4 - the book is a mixture of text and pictures. Does anyone have experience of having a family tree book professionally printed? I doubt that I will require more than 30 copies. In particular I would be interested to understand: 1. Precisely what format will a professional printer require me to present the book to him, and will he need to have the FTM program on his system? 2. Is A4 the best size for the finished book? 3. Is there likely to be a large cost difference in having the book printed in colour? 4. What facts do those who have published their books wish they had known before they handed the copy to the printer? Any help would be appreciated. Brian Beanland

Hi, If you want to do some copies inexpensively.... I did two copies bringing together my notes making up 90 pages. I had it printed (done at a local print shop) on cream acid free paper. I supplied the paper and they put it into a spiral booklet with dark blue covers. The top cover was transparent and underneath an etching of the family church in Washfield. It cost me approx. C$5.00 each. I was very pleased with that and gave a copy to my cousins. Then if you want a few bound copies, then it may work out more economical. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brown" <john.dhb@btopenworld.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [SoG] Publishing Family Book "Brian Beanland" <brian.beanland@virgin.net> wrote : >I am in the final stages of preparing a family history book using Family >Tree Maker 2006. I would estimate that the completed book will comprise 200 >pages of A4 - the book is a mixture of text and pictures. > >Does anyone have experience of having a family tree book professionally >printed? I doubt that I will require more than 30 copies. In particular I >would be interested to understand: <snip> No experience of, but there is a company called something like 'Parchment Printers' which specialises in genealogical printing. They are regular attenders at FHS open days and someone else may be able to supply an address, somewhere in Oxford, I think. John B Leic., Eng

RN Writers Most Writers were on shore establishments as a big part of their jobs was concerned with the Navy's Pay! They wore the 'fore and aft' rig as sported by artificers, i.e. peak cap, jacket and tie, rather than the 'square rig' which is the normal lower deck uniform.

Hi List: Having done my national service on frigates in the early nineteen sixties the duties of a writer on board ship include: Writers are clerks who report to the ship's regulating officer. A ship has a chief regulating officer who is responsible to the Captain, each day, for the 1. reporting of ship's defaulters- those who are absent without leave, who have disobeyed instructions including suffering from sunstroke! 2. wish to see the Captain re leave or seeking permission to grow a beard The regulating office publish each day the list of various people in charge for the day (this is of relevance when in port): i.e. officer of the day the various petty officers on duty for the day from the various ship's branches the duty watch (in port there are 3 watches which means you have to stay on board ship every did day). The regulating office determines the duty watch. 3. The regulating office determines which is the first watch on duty when at action stations. There are 4 watches when at action stations. 4. The regulating office handles the typing of all the Captain's correspondence Both in port & at sea the writer is a dayman which means he works a 8-4 shift. He also has an action stations function i.e working in the ammunition bays loading ammunition for the ships guns. Hope this assists. Regards, Keith Kendal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Amsden" <amsden@btinternet.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [SoG] Occupation - Writer > Go to this URL for a full explanation. > > > http://www.rnjobs.co.uk/static/pages/3033.html > > > > Peter Amsden > Argyll, Scotland > > > > > > > From: EnaDowson@aol.com > > Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 04:52:58 EST > > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SoG] Occupation - Writer > > Resent-From: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:53:06 -0700 > > > > Could anyone tell me what a Writer in the Royal Navy did about 1940 - 1950? > > Ena Dowson > > > > >

Go to this URL for a full explanation. http://www.rnjobs.co.uk/static/pages/3033.html Peter Amsden Argyll, Scotland > From: EnaDowson@aol.com > Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 04:52:58 EST > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] Occupation - Writer > Resent-From: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:53:06 -0700 > > Could anyone tell me what a Writer in the Royal Navy did about 1940 - 1950? > Ena Dowson >

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Could anyone tell me what a Writer in the Royal Navy did about 1940 - 1950? Ena Dowson

Over the last few months all the PCs in my local Essex county library and at Essex Record Office have also been 'upgraded' to XP; imho they are now much slower in loading even, or especially, simple web pages; I've also had to report a number of frozen terminals to staff at ERO on different visits. Ah well. I have to say that it might be the deployment or network setup rather than the operating system itself; my un-networked XP-based PC doesn't crash or load web pages slowly. Lawrence Greenall > -----Original Message----- > From: julian duffus [mailto:duffusjjg@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: 15 February 2006 19:18 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] Post Closed week Visit to SOG Computer problems > > > > Dear All, > > After a week of absence I visited SOG yesterday and was > disappointed to find that the machines in the lower library > had been converted to Windows XP during closed week. Nothing > wrong in that in it's self but alas the access to 1837 Online > had not been put onto the new configuration. Others seemed to > be having glitches with Origins and to cap it all > Familysearch was down for an apparently unrelated reason. > > Moral of the story for those intending to make a visit and > use the kit in the lower library, a phone call to the society > to determine the state of things would be a wise move. > > > Julian Duffus > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling > worldwide with voicemail > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release > Date: 15/02/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Ha Haa! Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 15/02/2006

Dear All, After a week of absence I visited SOG yesterday and was disappointed to find that the machines in the lower library had been converted to Windows XP during closed week. Nothing wrong in that in it's self but alas the access to 1837 Online had not been put onto the new configuration. Others seemed to be having glitches with Origins and to cap it all Familysearch was down for an apparently unrelated reason. Moral of the story for those intending to make a visit and use the kit in the lower library, a phone call to the society to determine the state of things would be a wise move. Julian Duffus --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail

"Denys Wells" <denyswells@freeuk.com> wrote : > Re the discussion on various BMD indexes, I recently subscribed to the S&N > paid online service, and find their BMD indexes appear to be facsimiles, > not > transcriptions (ie some are handwritten, some typescript, just as in the > books > at Family Record Centre). This seems to me a major advantage over other > systems (none of which I've looked at) said to be using transcriptions, > OCR > or otherwise. Pages come down as PDF, opened in Acrobat Reader. > (Please note, I have no connection with S&N except as a customer). The usual presentation of these indexes on-line, except for FreeBMD, is to provide images of the GRO index pages with only the first and last entries on each page actually transcribed. FreeBMD provide images of an increasing number of pages, linked to their individual transcriptions, and this seems to work well. 1837 Online have, I believe, checked most or all of their page-indexing transcribed records, while Ancestry appear to have relied solely on OCR so far; the result is that Ancestry's page indexing can be pretty dodgy while 1837 Online are pretty reliable. I haven't yet tried the S & N version so can't comment. John B Leic., Eng

Re the discussion on various BMD indexes, I recently subscribed to the S&N paid online service, and find their BMD indexes appear to be facsimiles, not transcriptions (ie some are handwritten, some typescript, just as in the books at Family Record Centre). This seems to me a major advantage over other systems (none of which I've looked at) said to be using transcriptions, OCR or otherwise. Pages come down as PDF, opened in Acrobat Reader. (Please note, I have no connection with S&N except as a customer). -- Denys Wells

Ooops !!! <vbg> Carole -----Original Message----- From: Ian Edwards [mailto:tafwys@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 13 February 2006 15:28 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] Free 1837-1983 BMD Index on Ancestry Carole Eales wrote: > Hi Ian > > I think the FreeBMD are letting Ancestry have the transcriptions... the > Ancestry server seems to be able to cope with the demand a little better... > certainly when the FreeBMD server is unavailable, Ancestry comes into its > own... pity about all the mistakes though!! > > Best wishes > > Carole > > Hi Carole, By BMDIndex I meant the subscription service (www.bmdindex.co.uk) from S&N Genealogy and not FreeBMD. But then again, perhaps they are all using the same data source =-O ? Ian -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 09/02/2006 -- Carole's outgoing mail has been scanned by AVG and is virus free. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 09/02/2006

Carole Eales wrote: > Hi Ian > > I think the FreeBMD are letting Ancestry have the transcriptions... the > Ancestry server seems to be able to cope with the demand a little better... > certainly when the FreeBMD server is unavailable, Ancestry comes into its > own... pity about all the mistakes though!! > > Best wishes > > Carole > > Hi Carole, By BMDIndex I meant the subscription service (www.bmdindex.co.uk) from S&N Genealogy and not FreeBMD. But then again, perhaps they are all using the same data source =-O ? Ian

Hi Ian I think the FreeBMD are letting Ancestry have the transcriptions... the Ancestry server seems to be able to cope with the demand a little better... certainly when the FreeBMD server is unavailable, Ancestry comes into its own... pity about all the mistakes though!! Best wishes Carole -----Original Message----- From: Ian Edwards [mailto:tafwys@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 13 February 2006 14:54 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] Free 1837-1983 BMD Index on Ancestry Gordon Adshead wrote: > > Obviously Ancestry is now the first port of call for GRO Indexes. > However I did find that quite a few of the images are missing too. > So 1837 still provides a useful fallback > Are Ancestry using the same source for their data as BMDIndex? I subscribe to both and the images seem to be identical, from spelling mistakes, e.g. Llanrivst instead of Llanrwst (poor OCR software?) through to the positioning of their hole punches on the original source documents. Ian -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 09/02/2006 -- Carole's outgoing mail has been scanned by AVG and is virus free. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 09/02/2006

Gordon Adshead wrote: > > Obviously Ancestry is now the first port of call for GRO Indexes. > However I did find that quite a few of the images are missing too. > So 1837 still provides a useful fallback > Are Ancestry using the same source for their data as BMDIndex? I subscribe to both and the images seem to be identical, from spelling mistakes, e.g. Llanrivst instead of Llanrwst (poor OCR software?) through to the positioning of their hole punches on the original source documents. Ian

At 18:47 12/02/2006, John Addis-Smith wrote: >In some cases the transcription of the first or last name on a page >has been wrong (this is now supposed to have been corrected), >resulting in the incorrect index page being displayed. Use the 'Prev' >or 'Next arrows, or change the 'Image Number' to find the correct >page. Obviously Ancestry is now the first port of call for GRO Indexes. However I did find that quite a few of the images are missing too. So 1837 still provides a useful fallback +Z_______________+Z_______________+Z__________________________+Z <www.adshead.com> Gordon Adshead Manchester Design Technology Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, England Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-777-6145602 <gordon@adshead.com>

"John Addis-Smith" <genl@addisgen.com> wrote : <snip> > An advantage over the images from 1837 Online is that on the Ancestry > site the index images are in .JPG format and so after saving to a hard > disk can be easily rotated (if skew) and cropped (removing messy > borders) using a graphics program. But the images seem to take a very long time to load, much longer than from 1837 Online, for example. The name indexing is pretty awful, too. John B Leic., Eng

For those who do not know it yet, Ancestry have put up a 'Beta' of the England and Wales BMD Index images for free from the following web page: http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx In some cases the transcription of the first or last name on a page has been wrong (this is now supposed to have been corrected), resulting in the incorrect index page being displayed. Use the 'Prev' or 'Next arrows, or change the 'Image Number' to find the correct page. This facility has been available for about a month and is described in the latest (March 2005) edition of the UK 'Your Family Tree' magazine, so I guess it is official now, though whether it will remain free remains to be seen. It will certainly be a blow to the incomes of '1837 Online' and the other web sites that charge for such access . . . A case of a large US company trying to wipe out the local opposition? An advantage over the images from 1837 Online is that on the Ancestry site the index images are in .JPG format and so after saving to a hard disk can be easily rotated (if skew) and cropped (removing messy borders) using a graphics program. Cheers, John John Addis-Smith Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, England