I have just come across a reference to a child "much afflicted with St Anthony's fire" in 1839. Anyone know what the modern terminology would be. Thanks, Peter Park. Now in the Red Rose County.

John, I wasn't at all expecting that anyone would read my post as indicating other than all due respect for Chris,Graham and yourself. I was meaning to check that the necessary precautions were being taken and as an extra to jog a few memories of our esteemed colleagues out there who maybe let things slide at times - it does happen. So please accept my apologies for maybe the phrasing that reached where it shouldn't have? I should add that owing to home circumstances, though I'm a Londoner, I haven't been to SOG for a couple of years which has meant that I'm in the dark concerning all the good improvements. And when I managed to turn-up on a closed day some time ago, I readily agreed to do some useful work in the microfiche dept. Regards, Peter in SW London Society of Genealogists Member No.25396 SPAC-IE,-EY,-Y

Those of you who have been saddened by news of the death of Marjorie Moore might like to know that the Society has started a Book of Condolence. The book has been placed in the Common Room for members and staff to put their personal messages. So that others, who cannot get to the Society, have an opportunity to contribute, arrangements have been made for e-mailed contributions to be accepted through the Society Web-site via a link on the home page at www.sog.org.uk <http://www.sog.org.uk/> . The electronic contributions will be collected and added to the book before passing it to Richard Moore I have spoken to Richard since he returned home, and he is overwhelmed by the support he is getting and the messages from all round the world. Richard has given me more bits and pieces of information which I can pass on to you. When he had the task of identifying Marjorie's body the only sign that there had been an accident was heavy bruising. Her body was cremated in South Africa and Richard scattered the ashes out at sea, with the help of the Sea Rescue people at Port Elizabeth, and he has a chart with the position marked. The tour organisers SAGA, and the people at the game reserve were extremely caring and Richard's brother flew out to be with him a couple of days after the accident. Their church at Swindon had a service early on Thursday morning to coincide with the time of the Cremation in South Africa, and there is a memorial service arranged for Monday 6th March at 15:00, but my information is that the church is likely to be very full with local people as well as the genealogical world. I am very honoured to have been asked by Richard to give the Eulogy at the service on Monday in accordance with Marjorie's wishes, and I will be representing the Society as Mike Wood is unable to attend. Frank Hardy Vice Chairman, Board of Trustees

Those who planned to attend the memorial service for Marjorie Moore on Monday 6th March may have seen the notice in the Swindon Advertiser website, namely: "A service of thanksgiving for her life is to be held at Christ Church on Monday, March 6, at 2pm and many friends of Mr and Mrs Moore are expected to turn up to pay their own tributes." The Parish Office advised me that it was originally planned as 2pm but since Richard's return from Africa it has changed to 3pm. The address etc is: Christ Church with St Mary's 36 Cricklade Street Swindon SN1 3HB Tel: 01793 522832 Fax: 01793 617237 Email: parishoffice@christchurchswindon.co.uk Christopher T. Watts

Dear Julian Duffus Just curious: are you Scottish or Jamaican? The name Duffus is well known in Jamaica. Its Chief Justice some time ago - round about 1970, was Sir Herbert G H Duffus, who ate dinners at Lincoln's Inn and practised law in Port Antonio, in Jamaica. I believe his family came from a town or village in Scotland called Duffus. Just thought you might like that nugget of information in case you do not already know it. All the best Jane Brown (widow of a Jamaican with another Scottish name from an ancestor who also settle in Jamaica) ----- Original Message ----- From: "julian duffus" <duffusjjg@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [SoG] Was your ansestor a WWI POW ? > > I attended a seminar last night given at the IHR by Dr. Chris Duffy on the > work he has done in German Archives concerning the interrogations of > British POW. > The emphasis of his study was those that where caught during the battle > of the Somme July-Nov 1916. They numbered some 4,300 allied soldiers. > > Very soon after their capture the prisoner was meet by an English > speaking German intelligence officer. They where asked about their units > position ,officers etc most refused to talk about matters of present > military importance. The Germans however where keen to learn all they > could from their prisoners. The state of UK Moral at home, the views of > rank and file men on the war, war aims and politic-ans. The price of food > items, the frequency of post deliveries and a whole host of other mundane > matters. The German aim was to build up an snap shot of UK life so they > could assess how long we might be able to sustain the campaign. > > The German military where fascinated by the different regional accents > and make many hundred of recordings of POW' s reading passages of the > Bible and other well known books. > > Being German their record keeping was first rate and all the participants > where identified by Name Number and Unit. > > While Dr. Duffy has only worked on the material from the Somme Battle he > feels that similar material was made from other campaigns and battles.. > > The interrogations are available in the Bavarian Military > Archives,.further details for those with a personal interest in this could > be got from Dr. Chris Duffy, Sheffield University. > > Julian Duffus > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail >

Peter I can assure you that the latest version of the software including all parches was installed. The problem related simply to the Origins account not being properly initialised following the rebuild. Once allerted to the fact on the Tuesday morning the problem was fixed by lunchtime. If anyone wants to come and help in closed week next year there is always a list of things that need to be done on the IT side. I spent the entire week down there, together with Chris Broomfield and Graham Walter, working on those machines and other. Chris and I also spend most Tuesday's in the Society as volunteers fire-fighting and Graham is often in of a Saturday as time permit. As for updates, they run windows update checks on boot up, have the very latest anti-virus software and also hide behind a hardware firewall It is comments like that that make me wonder at time if it is worth the effort Regards John Hanson The SoG (volunteer) ITSupport team -----Original Message----- From: Peter R. Spacey [mailto:searcher@cix.co.uk] Sent: 24 February 2006 17:29 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SoG] Re: SOG-UK-D Digest V06 #21 Julian warns us kindly: "Moral of the story for those intending to make a visit and use the kit in the lower library, a phone call to the society to determine the state of things would be a wise move." Many thanks for that! There may be further problems with an upgraded OS especially if all the Service Packs and security patches haven't been applied *and kept updated* - those pcs are meant for the www and can't be considered immune from hackers and/or viruses. Regards, Peter in SW London Society of Genealogists Member No.25396 SPAC-E,-IE,-EY,-Y ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Julian warns us kindly: "Moral of the story for those intending to make a visit and use the kit in the lower library, a phone call to the society to determine the state of things would be a wise move." Many thanks for that! There may be further problems with an upgraded OS especially if all the Service Packs and security patches haven't been applied *and kept updated* - those pcs are meant for the www and can't be considered immune from hackers and/or viruses. Regards, Peter in SW London Society of Genealogists Member No.25396 SPAC-E,-IE,-EY,-Y

> The prison trick doesn't seem to work for all counties in the 1851 > census - I can't believe that Surrey, Essex and Cambridge didn't have a > prison. Didn't work as Gaol either > > regards > Denis > > Denis Wicking Try searching for just the county with Inmate as the keyword this should bring you a few options. Regards Tony Salter

Denis, >Try searching for just the county with Inmate as the keyword this should bring you a few options.< Or better still, 'Prisoner' as the Keyword Jeanne Bunting

It certainly works in mysterious ways. I had hoped that by typing in SHIPS that I might find an outside chance of finding my gt grandfather, James Walton JARVIS, who was at sea for 1881/91. Found his wife in '81 who was at home in Hackney. Is there any way of jumping from A to J as I had to trawl through some 3000 names to get there. So irksome that I didn't attempt getting to the Rs for his brother-in-law, who sailed with him at times. I then typed in VESSELS. Even stranger. Besides battleships, one finds, empty dwellings and all sorts, but, the name column is totally blank. Click on "View record" and in a few cases, excepting empty dwellings of course, names appear. It seems a bit like putting the cart before the horse to me, unless one knows the vessel an ancestor was on.....but then if you did, what is the point? Michael Tebbutt.

Jeanne I tried just initials T.C., J.C. and D.M. using both first and last name boxes, and birth places. I immediately found my three 'suspects' in Hertford Gaol in 1861. Fantastic. Many thanks. Patricia On Feb 22, 2006, at 20:46, Jeanne Bunting wrote: > Patricia, > >> Has anyone any tips on finding people in prison in censuses using > Ancestry?< > > Did you type in the name of your ancestor? If you did, this could be > the > reason you couldn't find him. Prisoners (and inmates in workhouses for > that matter) were frequently listed by just initials. Try one or > other or > both initials. > > Jeanne Bunting > > >

The prison trick doesn't seem to work for all counties in the 1851 census - I can't believe that Surrey, Essex and Cambridge didn't have a prison. Didn't work as Gaol either regards Denis Denis Wicking _________________________ ------------------------------------ Denis Wicking denis.wicking@ntlworld.com 2 The Granary Stanstead Abbotts Ware Herts SG12 8XH tel: 01920 870075 mobile: 07796 336578 www.wicking.co.uk ------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: John Hanson [mailto:john.hanson@one-name.org] Sent: 22 February 2006 21:36 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SoG] in prison on census night Michael Using an occupation as a keyword will only work with the 1881 census as it is the only one that Ancestry have that has it indexed. Whilst working for PRISON it will also work for WORKHOUSE and ASYLUM Regards John Hanson Member of the Guild of One Name Studies www.one-name.org Member of the Society of Genealogists www.sog.org.uk The Society's catalogue is now online at www.sog.org.uk/sogcat/ -----Original Message----- From: TebbuA@aol.com [mailto:TebbuA@aol.com] Sent: 22 February 2006 17:55 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] in prison on census night I was unaware of this facility and it works for PRISON so I thought I might try SEAMEN or MARINERS as that is what I am seeking or even SHOEMAKERS. All that was thrown up were people named Seaman etc. So, What does "Keywords" actually do on Ancestry? Michael. ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email ______________________________ This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you.

Hi List: I have a relative Denzil KENDAL who was taken prisioner March 21, 1918 at Messines ridge battle. He was part of the SA Brigade, part of the 9th Scottish Division. I've no details of his POW history. Can anyone assist with information as to how I can ascertain what happened to him in the period march 22, 1918 until his release. Many thanks, Keith Kendal Does any lister ----- Original Message ----- From: "julian duffus" <duffusjjg@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: [SoG] Was your ansestor a WWI POW ? > > I attended a seminar last night given at the IHR by Dr. Chris Duffy on the work he has done in German Archives concerning the interrogations of British POW. > The emphasis of his study was those that where caught during the battle of the Somme July-Nov 1916. They numbered some 4,300 allied soldiers. > > Very soon after their capture the prisoner was meet by an English speaking German intelligence officer. They where asked about their units position ,officers etc most refused to talk about matters of present military importance. The Germans however where keen to learn all they could from their prisoners. The state of UK Moral at home, the views of rank and file men on the war, war aims and politic-ans. The price of food items, the frequency of post deliveries and a whole host of other mundane matters. The German aim was to build up an snap shot of UK life so they could assess how long we might be able to sustain the campaign. > > The German military where fascinated by the different regional accents and make many hundred of recordings of POW' s reading passages of the Bible and other well known books. > > Being German their record keeping was first rate and all the participants where identified by Name Number and Unit. > > While Dr. Duffy has only worked on the material from the Somme Battle he feels that similar material was made from other campaigns and battles.. > > The interrogations are available in the Bavarian Military Archives,.further details for those with a personal interest in this could be got from Dr. Chris Duffy, Sheffield University. > > Julian Duffus > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > > >

Michael Using an occupation as a keyword will only work with the 1881 census as it is the only one that Ancestry have that has it indexed. Whilst working for PRISON it will also work for WORKHOUSE and ASYLUM Regards John Hanson Member of the Guild of One Name Studies www.one-name.org Member of the Society of Genealogists www.sog.org.uk The Society's catalogue is now online at www.sog.org.uk/sogcat/ -----Original Message----- From: TebbuA@aol.com [mailto:TebbuA@aol.com] Sent: 22 February 2006 17:55 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] in prison on census night I was unaware of this facility and it works for PRISON so I thought I might try SEAMEN or MARINERS as that is what I am seeking or even SHOEMAKERS. All that was thrown up were people named Seaman etc. So, What does "Keywords" actually do on Ancestry? Michael. ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

For anyone who did not follow the link, I can confirm that Marjorie Moore FSG was killed in an accident in South Africa last Sunday. Marjorie was a past Chairman of the Executive Committee and played a major role in a lot of the Societies activities. In particular, she took a leading part in organising and running the annual Shaw at Westminster, and in providing advice, with her husband Richard, at many of the local fairs around the country at weekends. I, for one, will miss a very good friend. Frank Hardy

I seem to be unable to download gedcom files from the LDS site -although have done so many times in the past I'm operating Windows XP from a PC and can't seem to find the answer on their website If anyone else has experienced/solved this problem I'd appreciate some advice Sylvia Courtnage

It seems to be a simple word search. Thus if you type in "ships" it will show all those on board ships, however, it will also show those, say, who live in the township of "high ships" in Tyneside. -----Original Message----- From: TebbuA@aol.com [mailto:TebbuA@aol.com] Sent: 22 February 2006 17:55 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] in prison on census night I was unaware of this facility and it works for PRISON so I thought I might try SEAMEN or MARINERS as that is what I am seeking or even SHOEMAKERS. All that was thrown up were people named Seaman etc. So, What does "Keywords" actually do on Ancestry? Michael.

I attended a seminar last night given at the IHR by Dr. Chris Duffy on the work he has done in German Archives concerning the interrogations of British POW. The emphasis of his study was those that where caught during the battle of the Somme July-Nov 1916. They numbered some 4,300 allied soldiers. Very soon after their capture the prisoner was meet by an English speaking German intelligence officer. They where asked about their units position ,officers etc most refused to talk about matters of present military importance. The Germans however where keen to learn all they could from their prisoners. The state of UK Moral at home, the views of rank and file men on the war, war aims and politic-ans. The price of food items, the frequency of post deliveries and a whole host of other mundane matters. The German aim was to build up an snap shot of UK life so they could assess how long we might be able to sustain the campaign. The German military where fascinated by the different regional accents and make many hundred of recordings of POW' s reading passages of the Bible and other well known books. Being German their record keeping was first rate and all the participants where identified by Name Number and Unit. While Dr. Duffy has only worked on the material from the Somme Battle he feels that similar material was made from other campaigns and battles.. The interrogations are available in the Bavarian Military Archives,.further details for those with a personal interest in this could be got from Dr. Chris Duffy, Sheffield University. Julian Duffus --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail

Thank you Brian. I tried that and it worked. Didn't find my relatives though! Patricia On Feb 22, 2006, at 14:56, Brian Beanland wrote: > Patricia, > > In the "Keyword" box of the search screen simply type "Prison". It > will then > list all those individuals who were in prison. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patricia Ward [mailto:patricia@teepee32.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 22 February 2006 14:44 > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SoG] in prison on census night > > Has anyone any tips on finding people in prison in censuses using > Ancestry? > I have several missing relatives, especially in 1861, and I'm fairly > sure that's where they are to be found, in the Herts/Beds/Bucks area. > > Patricia > > > > >

Patricia, >Has anyone any tips on finding people in prison in censuses using Ancestry?< Did you type in the name of your ancestor? If you did, this could be the reason you couldn't find him. Prisoners (and inmates in workhouses for that matter) were frequently listed by just initials. Try one or other or both initials. Jeanne Bunting