This is the SoG mailing list, isn't it? The Society's flagship Show and beginners conference took place last weekend, didn't it? Well I saw no mention of it beforehand, even in the deepest bowels of the most esoteric message . So didn't any list subscribers think it important enough to mention? Can I presume that no list members went? Well that's not true as I saw some of you there. So how come no comment. Was it so unbelievably bad that it did not deserve any comment? Or was it so good that you are in a such state of aphoria or exhaustion that you have not rejoined the real world yet? Well there is clearly no point in asking if any of you enjoyed it, so I will simply ask what the weather is like on your planet - plant Zog?. Chris Watts PS I went, I spent, I enjoyed and I will return next year.

I think it reads 'Bootmakers Assistant' Patricia On May 1, 2006, at 11:50, Merryl Gullick (by way of Geoffrey <lists@sog.org.uk>) wrote: > I've been looking on the 'complete' 1891 census at 1837online and > everytime > I try to print a census page very little of it appears and my 'Hard > disk is > full' comes up, a problem of which I am aware, but consequently tried > to > hand copy the entries for which they had already taken units. One I'm > absolutely stumped on is the trade of a 17 year old who eventually > became a > Clerk/Accountant. His brother aged 14 was a Hairdressers apprentice > and > this was in Newport, Mons. I've tried Google on just Kerse and Kerse > Assistant and > nothing appears, and am absolutely stuck on the first word, almost > sure it > starts with 'B' - anyone any ideas? > > Another thought, is if someone with access to 1891 on Ancestry would > be kind > enough to see what they came up with, the boy is William H.M. ROSS born > Newport at 35 Duckpool Road, Newport - sorry I forgot to take down the > reference. > > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org > GOONS Mem. No. 1757. Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock; Moist/Moyst; > Mem. of Wells Assn. (GOONS Reg.) > > > > > This email has been scanned for viruses by NetBenefit using Sophos > anti-virus technology > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.1/104 - Release Date: > 16/09/2005 > > >

I've been looking on the 'complete' 1891 census at 1837online and everytime I try to print a census page very little of it appears and my 'Hard disk is full' comes up, a problem of which I am aware, but consequently tried to hand copy the entries for which they had already taken units. One I'm absolutely stumped on is the trade of a 17 year old who eventually became a Clerk/Accountant. His brother aged 14 was a Hairdressers apprentice and this was in Newport, Mons. I've tried Google on just Kerse and Kerse Assistant and nothing appears, and am absolutely stuck on the first word, almost sure it starts with 'B' - anyone any ideas? Another thought, is if someone with access to 1891 on Ancestry would be kind enough to see what they came up with, the boy is William H.M. ROSS born Newport at 35 Duckpool Road, Newport - sorry I forgot to take down the reference. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757. Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock; Moist/Moyst; Mem. of Wells Assn. (GOONS Reg.) This email has been scanned for viruses by NetBenefit using Sophos anti-virus technology -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.1/104 - Release Date: 16/09/2005

Hi Mary I have AOL9 with firewall and have no problems with Ancestry, either .com or .co.uk. Hope this helps in the elimination of problem process. Dave

As I've noticed from past listings that many List members are very computer-savy, I thought to try my first techie query (as opposed to genealogical), in the hopes of some good advice. I subscribe to Ancestry (the US site as it saved me ££) and use AOL. My desktop computer (new in Sep) has had myriad problems, but fingers crossed that may be behind us now. In any event, I did have Ancestry on this computer last fall. It has been on my laptop for some time - and continues to work there. I last got the desktop computer back from the shop in mid-March, at which point I tried to sign in to Ancestry, but was unable to log in (it seemed to load about 40% then stopped). (I had previously had a problem loading the enhanced image viewer on this same computer - but that is perhaps another problem, as I haven't yet been able to even log in, so don't know if that will be a second hurdle.) Having been in the hospital for some time after the computer came back, I am only now following the advice I received from Ancestry re solving this problem. They suggested turning off any firewall or anti-virus and/or adjusting the security setting on the browser to medium. I have done all of the above, but I am still unable to log in. (I have not yet reinstalled my Norton security, so the only security running was via MS Windows XP and AOL 9.0.) I have sent another question off to Ancestry, but am wondering if any others on the List may have had similar problems. If so, I would greatly appreciate your expertise. Mary T

Hi, I'm a bit hesitant to post this on the SOG list !, If its inappropriate please let me know and I won't post updates (on this) again, .... but just incase its of help, please read on. My enthusiam (from an early age) for Family History, led to an interest in Social History, which in turn led to an interest in the world viewed via that ephemeral document the newspaper. Over several years I've transcribed hundred's of issues, and tend to add a few each month (work permitting). The coverage is mainly 1750's - 1830's , and regional, rather than national papers, chosen not to clash with the British Libraries Project. Any errors, please let me know, its all my own work. even the mistakes, but I won't know to correct them without feedback ! This month was fairly typical : "The months selection covers examples of : Observator (1682), Spectator (1711), Penny Morning Advertiser (1744), Bath Chronicle (1761), Bonner & Middleton's Bristol Journal (1776), Berrows Worcester Journal (1783), Salisbury and Winchester Journal (1788), Northampton Mercury (1797) Historical Highlights (for me at least) included : Having visited Worcester for the first time, last year, and having walked round the Royal Worcester Museum, (listening to the ever enthusiastic Henry Sandon on the headphone guided tour), I was very pleased to find the earlier visit by George III & Queen Charlotte, was covered by the (1788) Salisbury and Winchester Journal. Bonner and Middleton (1776) contains more news from the US and the home front. Berrow's (1783) mentions early balloon experiments "globes" , Mr. Herschell gets a brief mention, as do Patrick Maden and Lynn/Lind convicts who have escaped from the British settlement in Africa. While the Northampton Mercury (1797) briefly mentions the death of Mary Wollstonecraft authoress of "Vindication of the Rights of Women", Nelson merits a brief mention also, and there is an early example of recycling from the Agents of Union Canal Company. And there are also a couple of reports on early (would be) divers ! As usual the Index is accessed through the page below : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dutillieul/index.html Use the Freefind Search box to locate references Webpages, then use Ctrl F to locate the precise reference (as most pages - being complete newpapers - take some time to read through !)" TTFN Richard H

The entry in this publication is rather unsatisfactory for the ship 'County of Dumfries'. There is a cross reference to 'marriages at sea'. The entry for this is not very helpful and provides: 'These were not unusual, but the incidence decreases after marriages by ships' captains ceased to be be recognized. Weddings afloat continued of course, but the ceremonies were then mainly performed by clergymen amongst the passengers. Such marriages were recorded in the Official Log of British ships at least. A few examples in this list include Herefordshire, Invererne (4 weddings), Nairnshire, Nourmahal and Scimitar. Author Alan Villiers quotes an Official log entry re marriage of a couple of Pitcairners by the master of the 'County of Dumfries' off the island in April 1905. See the Preface of 'The War with Cape Horn', pub. London, 1971, 1973.' Andrew G Peake

Looks good Chris. All style sheets and no tables for layout as well. Well done to all involved. Des www.gander-exeter.freeserve.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <webmaster@sog.org.uk> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:45 PM Subject: [SoG] [SoG-NEWS] New look Website > Launched in conjunction with the Family History Show, 29th April at the > Royal Horticultural Halls, London, the Society of Genealogists has changed > the look of it popular website. The aim is to make is improve its > accessibility, it is now possible to navigate using the keyboard and to > produce a more modern and attractive web site. The Society also expects > to increase the range of information that will be available over the next > months. You can find the new look website at its regular URL > www.sog.org.uk > > There may be occasions when you are redirected to an error page advising > of a changing in the website structure and of course we may have missed > got the odd link or page. Please use the link of every page to report > errors via an online form. > > Chris Broomfield > webmaster@sog.org.uk > > > > ______________________________________________ This email has been > scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > >

Does anybody have ready access to Ian Nicholson Log-of-Logs Volume 1? I am interested in the entry for the "County of Dumfries", Capt Inglis, 1905. TIA Chris Watts

I looked up one of my surnames in the Ancestry 1841 and the 8 people in the census with that name had it spelt in three different ways (two of them mis-transcriptions). The Origins 1841 was 100% correct. Michael Williamson -----Original Message----- From: Jeanne Bunting [mailto:firgrove@compuserve.com] Sent: 26 April 2006 13:06 To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 census on Ancestry.co.uk Hugh, >What is more bizarre than finding a widowed daughter living with her father transcribed with her father's surname? < On this subject I have just looked at 25 widowed daughters and 12 had their father's surname instead of their own. In looking at these, I also found two other married daughters with the wrong name and a set of children. Interestingly enough these children were listed under their widowed mother (who was living with her father) as son and daughters rather than grandchildren - further evidence of a link between the relationship and surname field? And that was only the tip of the iceberg! Do a search over all censuses for typos like Geroge, Goerge, Jospeh and Willaim to mention but a few. Jeanne

Ian, >The correction and editing facilities available on Ancestry's OneWorldTree are excellent. Now if only they could provide the same facility for their Census entries!< Better still would be the facility that 1837Online have for sending corrections. Easy, fast and corrections - not alternative names! I sent in a correction this morning at 6:53. I received and acknowledgment straight away and a message to say the correction had been done at 11:18. Jeanne Bunting

Michael, >I looked up one of my surnames in the Ancestry 1841 and the 8 people in the census with that name had it spelt in three different ways (two of them mis-transcriptions). The Origins 1841 was 100% correct.< In general I have found Origins transcriptions to be the most accurate - I have forgotten where they are done. Second is 1837Online's 1891 census - much better than their 1861 (which they are improving all the time) - these are done in India. Way down the list comes Ancestry - these are done in China I believe. Ancestry have just spent a lot of time and effort on improving the 1841 images - pity they didn't improve the index! Jeanne Bunting

The correction and editing facilities available on Ancestry's OneWorldTree are excellent. Now if only they could provide the same facility for their Census entries! Ian

Hugh, >What is more bizarre than finding a widowed daughter living with her father transcribed with her father's surname? < On this subject I have just looked at 25 widowed daughters and 12 had their father's surname instead of their own. In looking at these, I also found two other married daughters with the wrong name and a set of children. Interestingly enough these children were listed under their widowed mother (who was living with her father) as son and daughters rather than grandchildren - further evidence of a link between the relationship and surname field? And that was only the tip of the iceberg! Do a search over all censuses for typos like Geroge, Goerge, Jospeh and Willaim to mention but a few. Jeanne

> .... and using a good bit of ingenuity! You mentioned the word bizarre! > What is more bizarre than finding a widowed daughter living with her > father transcribed with her father's surname? Indeed... it reminds me of the errors i was finding in the 1901 when I was a checker - and took a surreptious look at some post-final- checked folios. Such things as John SMITH's daughter Jane Anne indexed as Jane ANNE, and his servant Margaret JONES indexed as Margaret SMITH... total unfindables - and around 15% of them if I remember correctly... There is simply no substitute for two independant (locally knowledged) transcribers and an expert independant adjudicator if one is to hope to get good quality. Hugh Ainsley

Hi Graham I can't reproduce the situation you describe, I'm sorry Admittedly, my subscription is to Ancestry.com (when I took it out, the exchange rate was such that I saved more than £10 by paying for the UK collection in US $ instead of sterling). As such, I admit I used the master list of censuses on http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/census/uk/default.aspx, which (a) includes Isle of Man and Channel Islands (b) enables me to search the Channel Islands index and the Isle of Man indices (c) returns details of the RIGGS living in St Helier (d) links to the image of the corresponding page in the census book. However, I've just tried substituting "co.uk" for "com", and I get the same success via http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/census/uk/default.aspx. I've also out of curiosity now used the "co.uk" site to successfully search for "Jones" in the IOM index, and separately for persons residing in St Helier (leaving the name fields blank) and got the first results page of 23,978 entries. Incidentally, I've also emailed myfamily.com to point out that their site does NOT include all the "UK" censuses, because the UK includes Scotland and Northern Ireland <g> Regards Geoff Riggs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Lewis" <graham.lewis@optusnet.com.au> To: "Geoff Riggs" <geoff@riggs.org.uk>; <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:45 PM Subject: Completeness of 1841 census on Ancestry.co.uk > I was interested to see the quote below in Geoff's email, because the > Ancestry.co.uk site doesn't actually claim that it's complete, and the list > doesn't mention Isle of Man or the Channel Islands. > > More significantly, if you search for the name of a place that's actually in > one of those islands, all you get is a list of people born there but > enumerated in other counties! I don't think Isle of Man or Channel Islands > ARE in fact there yet. > > Graham Lewis > Sydney > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Riggs [mailto:geoff@riggs.org.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, 26 April 2006 12:57 AM > To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 census on Ancestry.co.uk > > > <snipped> > > The official "newsletter" from myfamilyinc.com's PRO desk re the 1841 census > states: > "This means that Ancestry now has completed all of the UK Censuses 1841-1901 > for England, Wales, Isle of Man and the Channel Islands." > nc.com's PRO desk asking for clarification. > > Geoff Riggs > > > > >

How exciting! Thanks for letting us know Richard. On 4/25/06, Richard Heaton <rjheaton@hotmail.com> wrote: > Just a update given my avid interest in newsprint I've been back in touch with the British Library and just received the update on "whats in" the 1800-1900 Digitisation project, with planned launch this September. Plenty to interest even the casual reader of historic newspapers, the Illustrated Police News and Graphic will probably steal the show, but the rare Era is quite inspired ! Also a fair sprinkle of short run Political Papers relating to Chartism (having a Chartist ancestor always of interest) and Cobbets Weekly Register. The selection should hopefully give a good backbone for further Digitisations. > > > Regards > Richard Heaton > > Selected Titles > > Title Type Years > Aberdeen Journal Regional Daily 1800-1900 > Baner Regional Weekly 1857-1900 > Belfast News-Letter Regional Daily 1828-1900 > Birmingham Daily Post Regional Daily 1857-1900 > Brighton Patriot Regional Weekly 1835-1839 > Bristol Mercury Regional Daily 1819-1900 > Caledonian Mercury Regional Daily 1800-1867 > Champion London Weekly 1836-1840 > Charter London Weekly 1839-1840 > Chartist London Weekly 1839 > Chartist Circular Regional Weekly 1839-1841 > Cobbets Weekly Political Register London Weekly 1802-1836 > Daily News London Daily 1842-1900 > Derby Mercury Regional Weekly 1800-1900 > The Era London Weekly 1838-1900 > Examiner London Weekly 1808-81 > Freeman's Journal Regional Daily 1820-1900 > Genedl Regional Weekly 1877-1900 > Glasgow Herald Regional Daily 1820-1900 > Goleuad Regional Weekly 1869-1900 > Graphic London Weekly 1870-1900 > Hampshire/Portsmouth Telegraph Regional Weekly 1800-1900 > Hull Packet Regional Weekly 1800-86 > Illustrated Police News London Weekly 1867-1900 > Ipswich Journal Regional Daily 1800-1900 > Jackson's Oxford Journal Regional Weekly 1800-1900 > Leeds Mercury Regional Daily 1807-1900 > Liverpool Mercury Regional Daily 1811-1900 > Lloyd's Illustrated Newspaper London Weekly 1842-1900 > London Dispatch London Weekly 1836-1839 > Manchester Times Regional Daily 1848-94 > Morning Chronicle London Daily 1801-1862 > Newcastle Courant Regional Weekly 1803-1900 > North Wales Chronicle Regional Weekly 1827-1900 > Northern Echo Regional Daily 1870-1900 > Northern Liberator Regional Weekly 1837-1840 > Northern Star Regional Weekly 1838-1852 > Odd Fellow London Weekly 1839-1842 > Operative London Weekly 1838-1839 > Pall Mall Gazette London Daily 1865-1900 > Poor Man's Guardian London Weekly 1831-1835 > Preston Chronicle Regional Weekly 1831-1900 > Reynolds's Newspaper London Weekly 1850-1900 > Southern Star Regional Weekly 1840 > Trewman's Exeter Flying Post Regional Weekly 1807-1900 > Western Mail Regional Daily 1869-1900 > > First and last dates only > >

Just a update given my avid interest in newsprint I've been back in touch with the British Library and just received the update on "whats in" the 1800-1900 Digitisation project, with planned launch this September. Plenty to interest even the casual reader of historic newspapers, the Illustrated Police News and Graphic will probably steal the show, but the rare Era is quite inspired ! Also a fair sprinkle of short run Political Papers relating to Chartism (having a Chartist ancestor always of interest) and Cobbets Weekly Register. The selection should hopefully give a good backbone for further Digitisations. Regards Richard Heaton Selected Titles Title Type Years Aberdeen Journal Regional Daily 1800-1900 Baner Regional Weekly 1857-1900 Belfast News-Letter Regional Daily 1828-1900 Birmingham Daily Post Regional Daily 1857-1900 Brighton Patriot Regional Weekly 1835-1839 Bristol Mercury Regional Daily 1819-1900 Caledonian Mercury Regional Daily 1800-1867 Champion London Weekly 1836-1840 Charter London Weekly 1839-1840 Chartist London Weekly 1839 Chartist Circular Regional Weekly 1839-1841 Cobbets Weekly Political Register London Weekly 1802-1836 Daily News London Daily 1842-1900 Derby Mercury Regional Weekly 1800-1900 The Era London Weekly 1838-1900 Examiner London Weekly 1808-81 Freeman's Journal Regional Daily 1820-1900 Genedl Regional Weekly 1877-1900 Glasgow Herald Regional Daily 1820-1900 Goleuad Regional Weekly 1869-1900 Graphic London Weekly 1870-1900 Hampshire/Portsmouth Telegraph Regional Weekly 1800-1900 Hull Packet Regional Weekly 1800-86 Illustrated Police News London Weekly 1867-1900 Ipswich Journal Regional Daily 1800-1900 Jackson's Oxford Journal Regional Weekly 1800-1900 Leeds Mercury Regional Daily 1807-1900 Liverpool Mercury Regional Daily 1811-1900 Lloyd's Illustrated Newspaper London Weekly 1842-1900 London Dispatch London Weekly 1836-1839 Manchester Times Regional Daily 1848-94 Morning Chronicle London Daily 1801-1862 Newcastle Courant Regional Weekly 1803-1900 North Wales Chronicle Regional Weekly 1827-1900 Northern Echo Regional Daily 1870-1900 Northern Liberator Regional Weekly 1837-1840 Northern Star Regional Weekly 1838-1852 Odd Fellow London Weekly 1839-1842 Operative London Weekly 1838-1839 Pall Mall Gazette London Daily 1865-1900 Poor Man's Guardian London Weekly 1831-1835 Preston Chronicle Regional Weekly 1831-1900 Reynolds's Newspaper London Weekly 1850-1900 Southern Star Regional Weekly 1840 Trewman's Exeter Flying Post Regional Weekly 1807-1900 Western Mail Regional Daily 1869-1900 First and last dates only

The list of vessels under Royal Navy in Ancestry's 1901 census (apart from 3 (or 4?) "singleton" vessels - Alert, Amphion, Dallas (and Highflyer?) start with HMS Hood. I've advised them repeatedly over the past 18 months, and have generally received what appears to be a bog-standard "thank you for your message" type response. The latest, slightly more relevant, response from Ancestry Support a fortnight ago said; "We apologize for any inconvenience. At this time we are working to complete the posting of information in the 1901 census. We do not have an official release schedule for future postings. Certain information may not currently be available due to varying issues. These include (but are not limited to) research, rescanning, and quality assurance matters. We will complete the posting of this database as quickly as possible, but there will be some delay before the entire project is completed. Thank you for your patience. The official "newsletter" from myfamilyinc.com's PRO desk re the 1841 census states: "This means that Ancestry now has completed all of the UK Censuses 1841-1901 for England, Wales, Isle of Man and the Channel Islands." I have therefore forwarded a copy of Ancestry Support's response to myfamilyinc.com's PRO desk asking for clarification. Geoff Riggs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Edwards" <tafwys@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [SoG] 1841 census on Ancestry.co.uk > John Hanson wrote: > > Just to let you all know that Ancestry.co.uk now as the 1841 there. > > > Hi John, > > According to BBC's teletext service today this is "the last of those > available to the public to appear online in full". > > Note the words "in full"!!! I can only assume this phrase came from an > Ancestry press release but is far from the case. > > I'm still waiting for my local 1851 census (HO107/2503 folios 15 to 378) > to appear. These pages are not missing and are available on microfilm at > local family history centres, so why not at Ancestry??? > > Comments made on various other lists would suggest that I am not alone > in waiting for 'ommitted' census pages. > > Ian > > ______________________________

Hugh, >The transcription quality is abysmal, and I am frequently only able to find "missing persons" by having a very good idea of where they are< .... and using a good bit of ingenuity! You mentioned the word bizarre! What is more bizarre than finding a widowed daughter living with her father transcribed with her father's surname? Look for George Robert born 1821 in Alverthorpe and you will find Annis Ainsley, widowed daughter, transcribed as Annis Robert although her children have the correct surname of Ainsley. This is not an isolated case - try some searches for yourself. (Hint - use 1837Online's advanced search in their 1891 census and look for any fairly common surname and select widow and daughter, then try and find them on Ancestry). Makes it look as though in the input program the surname field is linked to the relationship field, but Ancestry deny it. They also deny that the gender field was linked to the relationship field. Do a search for all the female Williams - there are thousands of them in all the censuses! Look down the list for a mother(-in-law) or a sister and you will invariably find the mother should be brother and the sister visitor or son. There are too many of them for it just to be coincidence! Jeanne Bunting