At 18:01 19/05/2006, Peter Park wrote: >Tracing a family in the 1841 and 51 censuses, I found they had eleven >children. Nothing odd in that, but they were all girls, which is a bit >uncommon. Statistically the older children of a marriage tend to be boys >and it is not uncommon for the first seven to be males, but eleven girls >on the trot must be a record -unless you know better!! I'm sure your right about the low statistical probability Peter But in this case surely it is much more likely that the father's genetic make-up was only capable of (or heavily biased towards) female offspring. +Z_______________+Z_______________+Z__________________________+Z <www.adshead.com> Gordon Adshead Manchester Design Technology Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, England Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-777-6145602 <gordon@adshead.com>

Tracing a family in the 1841 and 51 censuses, I found they had eleven children. Nothing odd in that, but they were all girls, which is a bit uncommon. Statistically the older children of a marriage tend to be boys and it is not uncommon for the first seven to be males, but eleven girls on the trot must be a record -unless you know better!! Peter Park. Please note my new e-mail address: peterbpark@tiscali.co.uk

Peter R Spacey asks: > Please at least can anyone here say if the non-digests are also sent as > .eml? Hi Peter - I am on Ameol and separate SoG List messages come in plain text here. Best wishes Adrian Bishop-Laggett

While I was glad to see other users respond I'm still not getting through to the one who's suddenly decided to change the format of digests. I do agree that MS stuff should be avoided and I've been doing so successfully until this unwanted development. I've discovered that I can read the .eml format in Opera Mail but that means I have to export the offending digests to another folder and then activate Opera to read them which is all time consuming. My olr is Ameol which is proprietary to cix.co.uk (my ISP)is designed for Text files only - no chance of viruses! Please at least can anyone here say if the non-digests are also sent as .eml? If not I could change? Regards, Peter in SW London Society of Genealogists Member No.25396 SPAC-E,-IE,-EY,-Y

>Garth why on earth would you leave Eudora and go to Outlook Express ? I have been with Eudora since the dawning of time and find its inbuilt protection a very helpful contribution to controlled hacking and spamming. Still each to ones own. Regards Mike Say >Garth - Surrey > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R. Spacey" <searcher@cix.co.uk> >To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:59 PM >Subject: digest mailings > > >>Please can anyone arrange for my digest mailings to be sent in the >>readable format of days gone by? I keep getting .eml files that can't >>be accessed here. Otherwise it might be best to have separate messages >>instead? >> >>Regards, >>Peter in SW London >>Society of Genealogists >>Member No.25396 SPAC-E,-IE,-EY,-Y > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 15/05/2006 > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 15/05/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 15/05/2006

>Iain Archer wrote > >Exasperatingly, there seems to be no report of any conclusion of the >case. There was actually a follow-up which the search engine didn't reveal. The case report said that it would be continued a couple of days later, so I searched through the subsequent etions until I found it myself (15 December 1852, p.7 col.a). Willerton claimed UKP220 (UKP215 in the later paper) and the jury awarded him UKP150, so perhaps he wasn't too far out of pocket. The problem I have now is - who the blazes is this guy Willerton and why haven't I come across him before? Ain't family history fun? LOL Jim ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

On Mon, 15 May 2006 18:44:18 +0100, Hugh Ainsley <hugh@ainsley.stargate.co.uk> wrote: > Go back to Eudora - or use Thunderbird > - infinitely better programs than Outlook Distress! Even better, switch to Opera and get a superior browser as well as a superior email program. = Malcolm.

Microsoft is not noted for producing programs that are either convenient to use, secure, or producing of sensible output. Go back to Eudora - or use Thunderbird - infinitely better programs than Outlook Distress! hugh

I would be very interested in the replies to this message. When I used Eudora as my email program digest messages appeared as a concatenation of the opened messages so it was easy to scan through and pick up on factors that did not appear in the titles. I switched to Outlook Express and what I see now is the header and a paper clip. When the paper clip is activated one then sees a list of the message titles, easily scanned but devoid of content. The individual messages then have to be opened. I think this is what most people encounter. I would be very interested to know how to revert to the the opened messages format that I was used to with Eudora, except of course going back to Eudora. Garth - Surrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R. Spacey" <searcher@cix.co.uk> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: digest mailings > Please can anyone arrange for my digest mailings to be sent in the > readable format of days gone by? I keep getting .eml files that can't > be accessed here. Otherwise it might be best to have separate messages > instead? > > Regards, > Peter in SW London > Society of Genealogists > Member No.25396 SPAC-E,-IE,-EY,-Y >

Please can anyone arrange for my digest mailings to be sent in the readable format of days gone by? I keep getting .eml files that can't be accessed here. Otherwise it might be best to have separate messages instead? Regards, Peter in SW London Society of Genealogists Member No.25396 SPAC-E,-IE,-EY,-Y

Hello Sue I also have an army pensioner guard who came on one of the convict ships to Western Australia. They called them Enrolled Pensioner Guards. Most of them were pensioned Army personnel who were still on the Army payroll. I have been able to find out all his details from the PRO in London, and the Chelsea Pensioners records. Many ex soldiers came because of the offer of free land if they served for a period in WA. There has been considerable research into the Enrolled Pensioner Guards in Australia and I will try to find the best websites for you to look at and let you know. It is well worth working through the WA BDMs, and I will see what is available. The amount of detail in the civil registers in the period in question is variable however, and you may or may not be lucky. I gather that about 40% of soldiers in the British Army in the 1840s were Irish and of course, many were Catholic. My ancestor didn't have his children recorded in the British Army Chaplains Birth Records either, as this was Anglican. He had the children baptised in Catholic Churches wherever they were born, and this was a difficult trail and would have been impossible had I not obtained his detailed army record which recorded every time his regiment moved and how long they stayed in each place. Once in Australia he continued to defy the civil authorities and none of his children were registered so I again had to find where the Catholic churches were. These baptisms in WA records were excellent however, and even had the place of birth of the parents in Ireland recorded. I will see what I can find when I next visit SAG (Society of Australian Genealogists) and can access the computerised records. Regards Jill in Sydney, Aus. >I am researching one of my husband's ancestors, a William Donkersley >whose father was a Private in the British Army who was at one stage >was guarding convicts on a convict ship from UK to Australia and >presumably at a convict camp in Australia. > >After years of hunting his birth registration, I have now found >William Donkersley named in an Census as having a birthplace of >Vasse, Western Australia c. 1844 and in another Census as Thevase, >Western Australia c. 1844. In an English Census William >Donkersley has given his birthplace as Swan River. I cannot >find Thevase or Vasse on an atlas. > >Has anyone out there any idea where I can track down where Thevase >or Vasse is, and where I can >find out the original Census which is the source of this >information or possibly where his birth registration might be (he's >not registered in any of the British Army birth records). > >Many thanks > >Sue Holden > >______________________________

Dear Jill Many many thanks for this info. William Donkersley has been sitting in my "too difficult" basket for so long and I have only recently dug him out because I'm trying to put together a book on his family history for my husband's big birthday (a very big birthday) in July. I would be very grateful if - when you have a moment - you could let me know any websites that I could look up any more info. Much appreciate your help. Regards Sue (Holden)

jbwillerton@tiscali.co.uk wrote on Sat, 13 May 2006: >Thanks, people! That makes things a lot clearer regarding the litigants. > It did occur to me, too late, to search the Times archive for the ship, >but seeing as how I'm a mean old Yorkshireman, that will now have to wait >until the next National Library Week (LOL). I've forwarded Jim details of a report in the Times on 19 December 1852 about the first day of the case, heard before the Queen's Bench. Plaintiff was master of a vessel whose crew, bar the mate, all absconded in California in hope of joining "the diggings". He eventually got back, after some diversion and two new crews, 22 months later, after having spent a large amount of his own money to keep the crews happy. The case was his attempt to recover these claimed costs. Exasperatingly, there seems to be no report of any conclusion of the case. -- Iain Archer

Forwarded from Else Churchill .... Sorry for short notice again UK History premiers a new series called My Famous Family on Monday 15 May ay 4pm and again at 9pm. Presented by Bill Oddie with genealogical research by Anthony Adolph, the SoG is shown as a location throughout the series. The first episode kicks off with Florence Nightingale's family and descendents Further details are available on the UKTV History website at http://www.uktv.co.uk/?uktv=channel.uktvHistory UKTV History is available on Sky Digital (Channels 537 & 538) and FreeView (Channel 12) and also on NTL and Telewest cable. Ian

Thanks, people! That makes things a lot clearer regarding the litigants. It did occur to me, too late, to search the Times archive for the ship, but seeing as how I'm a mean old Yorkshireman, that will now have to wait until the next National Library Week (LOL). Thanks again everyone, Jim ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

> My query seems to have disappeared without trrace. Oh dear. In a civil case in a regular court (i.e. not an appeal court) the first name is that of the plaintiff, the second is that of the defendant. The v. (for 'versus', i.e. against) is pronounced "and". Hope this enlightens. Hector Davie

Yes, the usual format is first named plaintiff v first named defendant, so as you suggested your Willerton would have been the plaintiff (or one of them). You can find quite a lot out about the ship Lord John Russell from The Times online, if you still have access. (For example, my local library gives all members access from home.) Searching on text = "Lord John Russell" and restricting the search to Shipping News produces 388 results. To find out what sort of ship she was and her port of registration, official number etc., try and locate a copy of the "Mercantile Marine List" or "Lloyd's Register of Shipping" for the relevant time period. On 5/13/06, jbwillerton@tiscali.co.uk <jbwillerton@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > My query seems to have disappeared without trrace. Didn't think it was t= > hat > hard - or was it too trivial? <snip> > I found the report of a case in the Court of Queen's Bench in 1852 - WILL= > ERTON > v HALEY. The report merely refers to the litigants as 'plaintiff' and 'd= > efendant' > without giving a clue as to which was which. Am I correct to assume that= > > the plaintiff would be the first one named, i.e. that WILLERTON was the > plaintiff and HALEY the defendant? > > The case involved a ship named as the Lord John Russell. Could someone p= > oint > me to a web site where I might find some information about this vessell?

--========/44202FB90016D4A6/mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My query seems to have disappeared without trrace. Didn't think it was t= hat hard - or was it too trivial? ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ --========/44202FB90016D4A6/mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from [80.41.93.138] by mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com with HTTP; Sat, 6 May 2006 00:42:12 +0100 Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 00:42:12 +0100 Message-ID: <44559AF40002840C@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> From: jbwillerton@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Court case To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Gale Group National Library Week trial was a huge success for me - I'= ll be sorting records into context for weeks - but it (as usual) prompted as= many questions as it provided answers. For instance: I found the report of a case in the Court of Queen's Bench in 1852 - WILL= ERTON v HALEY. The report merely refers to the litigants as 'plaintiff' and 'd= efendant' without giving a clue as to which was which. Am I correct to assume that= the plaintiff would be the first one named, i.e. that WILLERTON was the plaintiff and HALEY the defendant? The case involved a ship named as the Lord John Russell. Could someone p= oint me to a web site where I might find some information about this vessell? Thanks in advance, people, and good luck to all. Jim ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ --========/44202FB90016D4A6/mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com--

I am researching one of my husband's ancestors, a William Donkersley whose father was a Private in the British Army who was at one stage guarding convicts on a convict ship from UK to Australia and presumably at a convict camp in Australia. After years of hunting his birth registration, I have now found William Donkersley with his parents named in an Australian Census as having a birthplace of Vasse, Western Australia c. 1844 and in another Census as Thevase, Western Australia c. 1844. In an English Census William Donkersley has given his birthplace as Swan River. I cannot find Thevase or Vasse on an atlas. Has anyone out there any idea where I can track down where Thevase or Vasse is, and where I can find out the original Census which is the source of this information or possibly where his birth registration might be (he's not registered in any of the British Army birth records). Many thanks Sue Holden

I am researching one of my husband's ancestors, a William Donkersley whose father was a Private in the British Army who was at one stage guarding convicts on a convict ship from UK to Australia and presumably at a convict camp in Australia. After years of hunting his birth registration, I have now found William Donkersley with his parents named in an Australian Census as having a birthplace of Vasse, Western Australia c. 1844 and in another Census as Thevase, Western Australia c. 1844. In an English Census William Donkersley has given his birthplace as Swan River. I cannot find Thevase or Vasse on an atlas. Has anyone out there any idea where I can track down where Thevase or Vasse is, and where I can find out the original Census which is the source of this information or possibly where his birth registration might be (he's not registered in any of the British Army birth records). Many thanks Sue Holden