Take a look at the National Archives' research guide on the subject: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=53 Most case files since 1938 have been destroyed (once they are 20 years old). A small sample for this period survives at TNA and you can search those using the surname and restricting the search to the series J 77. Ruth On 6/4/06, ADRIENNE NORBURY <a.norbury@btopenworld.com> wrote: > I am interested in some divorce papers, which took place in the 1950's probably in Bromsgrove Worcestershire, are these papers likely to be detailed in those days, and where are they likely to be held:? > Adrienne > >

I am interested in some divorce papers, which took place in the 1950's probably in Bromsgrove Worcestershire, are these papers likely to be detailed in those days, and where are they likely to be held:? Adrienne

I am after some help from fellow members, well if we don't know who will ! I am currently looking at an old lecture of mine on "Unusual Website" - unusual I have had to amend to be "those that contain informatiion that you woulnd't have thought was there from the description of the site". When it was first written five years ago it was a lot easier - nowaday most of what I have is commonplace. So any ideas? Off list please and I shall compile the listing and post it back to the list after the weekend. The only stipulation is that it should contain genealogical material. Regards John Hanson

margaret >From: "margaret pawson" <m_pawson@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >To: SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SoG] membership no. 033382 >Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:17:40 +0000 > > > > >Dear Sir Please unsubscribe me from your mailing list as I receiving large >amounts of unsolicited mail from people unknown to me Thank you Margaret >Pawson > >

Dear Sir Please unsubscribe me from your mailing list as I receiving large amounts of unsolicited mail from people unknown to me Thank you Margaret Pawson

Dear Sir Please unsubscribe me from your mailing list as I receiving large amounts of unsolicited mail from people unknown to me Thank you Margaret Pawson

I just tried looking up a census image on Ancestry.co.uk and it worked as normal. Angela On 1 Jun 2006, at 4:33 pm, jbwillerton@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Is anyone else having trouble with Ancestry.co.uk? > > I was happily browsing through census images yesterday, quickly > downloading > the interesting ones, when, quite suddenly, Ancestry slowed down to a > crawl. > I huffed and puffed a bit, as one does, before logging off and doing > something > else. Today, it took me several attempts before I could get into the > site > at all, then when I finally succeeded and tried to to load a census > image > again, it took 14 minutes to to get three quarters of the image, at > which > point I gave up. I now can't get back into the site to complain! > > Is it just me, I wonder? > > Jim > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > >

Is anyone else having trouble with Ancestry.co.uk? I was happily browsing through census images yesterday, quickly downloading the interesting ones, when, quite suddenly, Ancestry slowed down to a crawl. I huffed and puffed a bit, as one does, before logging off and doing something else. Today, it took me several attempts before I could get into the site at all, then when I finally succeeded and tried to to load a census image again, it took 14 minutes to to get three quarters of the image, at which point I gave up. I now can't get back into the site to complain! Is it just me, I wonder? Jim ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Thanks, ector Much better! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hector Davie <hector@dplanet.ch> Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:38 am Subject: Re: [SoG] Translation > > manet prisca fides et manebit > > The ancient faith remains and will remain > > Hector > >

> manet prisca fides et manebit The ancient faith remains and will remain Hector

I wonder if anyone can help me with a translation of the following: manet prisca fides et manebit I have a general idea of the meaning but only have a poetic, somewhat fanciful rendering: The ancient honour liveth yet; Men die, the race doth not forget It seems to me to be more of a motto. My own latin is on the ancient side with tenses and declensions definitely forgot. Susan

Many thanks for this Walt - I was hoping to look into Lacock Abbey's history! Regards, Lawrence Greenall, Waltham Abbey, Essex. > -----Original Message----- > From: Walt O'Dowd [mailto:walt.odowd@virgin.net] > > > While searching for some medieval ancestors... Among the books is "**Annals & antiquities of Lacock Abbey, by William Lisle Bowles, 1838", which contains information on the early earls of Salisbury and the Book of Laycock. It can be found at: http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/textimage_search.php?book_no=010 The second site... Happy surfing, Walt O'Dowd Rushmere St Andrew Suffolk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Ha Haa! Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006

While searching for some medieval ancestors on the internet I came across two websites that might be of wider interest. The first is Wiltshire County Council's "Wiltshire Community History" site which notes "We are currently adding the full text and illustrations of over 70 key early works on Wiltshire". They offer an on-line search facility. http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/ Among the books is "**Annals & antiquities of Lacock Abbey, by William Lisle Bowles, 1838", which contains information on the early earls of Salisbury and the Book of Laycock. It can be found at: http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/textimage_search.php?book_no=010 The second site of interest (in French) is "Gallica" from the* *Bibliothèque nationale in Paris, at: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ * One particularly useful work is that of Anselme de Sainte-Marie (Pere Amselme), "Histoire généalogique et chronologique de la maison royale de France, des pairs, grands officiers de la Couronne, de la Maison du Roy et des anciens barons du royaume...". http://gallica.bnf.fr/notice?N=FRBNF36404917&UC=o Happy surfing, Walt O'Dowd Rushmere St Andrew Suffolk *

An entertaining history of such fears, and of measures taken to avoid live burial, is: Buried Alive, by Jan Bondeson, published by W W Norton and Company Ltd, 2001 ISBN 0-393-32222-X pbk In message <461.1d42a9b.31a9b0d6@aol.com>, MWTRE@aol.com writes >Thanks to all those who contributed to the "no women allowed" query I posted >last week. I must say I learned a lot from the discussion. In the PCC >wills I picked up last week, there was one other burial request - this >being made >in 1813/4 by a woman in Suffolk who requested that she not be buried for 8 >days after her death and then that the coffin lid not be nailed on. Having >heard of such "in case I have just fainted" fears before, it was >interesting to >come across it in writing. I wonder how prevalent such requests may have >been. >Mary > > -- David G Jackson

Thanks to all those who contributed to the "no women allowed" query I posted last week. I must say I learned a lot from the discussion. In the PCC wills I picked up last week, there was one other burial request - this being made in 1813/4 by a woman in Suffolk who requested that she not be buried for 8 days after her death and then that the coffin lid not be nailed on. Having heard of such "in case I have just fainted" fears before, it was interesting to come across it in writing. I wonder how prevalent such requests may have been. Mary

Not at all unusual even today. It was and still within the last 25 years was the custom in Scotland that women did not attend an internment. On asking the reason I was told by an elderly relative that this was because they had to prepare the funeral tea - despite the fact that on this occasion the reception was in a hotel. Tom Spence MWTRE@aol.com wrote: i was at the FRC yesterday making copies of numerous PCC wills. In reading through them more carefully last night, I came across an (in my experience) unique proviso. Sir John Osborn wrote his will in 1837 (proved in 1848) with the following item included: "I desire that my funeral may be attended with as little expence as can be consistently with my situation in life and I strictly forbid the attendance of any of the female members of my family." Yes, he had a wife and daughters, from whom he did not seem to be alienated, referring to his wife as "my dear wife" and, in fact, naming her as one of the Executors. So, why could she settle his estate but not attend his funeral? I cheecked a reference book (Death in England) but found no mention of such an oddity. Thoughts anyone? Mary This email has been scanned for viruses by NetBenefit using Sophos anti-virus technology -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.1/104 - Release Date: 16/09/2005

In message of 24 May, "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> wrote: > Hi Jeremy, Been watching this thread and tend to agree with your > statement... > > "The women remained at the house > (where the first leg had taken place); after all, someone had to make the > sandwiches." > > Think you hit the nail on the head. A much more serious problem is that many funerals are advertised in the newspapers with time and place. Sometimes, the place of the deceased's death is given. It is not beyond the wit of the odd thief to work out that the home will be empty and several valuable items may be had there for the asking. So they have done a spot of burglary during the funeral service. The answer with this is for someone to stay behind in the house. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Yes, that even happens today. Best to stay home with the skillet-aready. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@powys.org> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [SoG] No women allowed In message of 24 May, "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> wrote: > Hi Jeremy, Been watching this thread and tend to agree with your > statement... > > "The women remained at the house > (where the first leg had taken place); after all, someone had to make the > sandwiches." > > Think you hit the nail on the head. A much more serious problem is that many funerals are advertised in the newspapers with time and place. Sometimes, the place of the deceased's death is given. It is not beyond the wit of the odd thief to work out that the home will be empty and several valuable items may be had there for the asking. So they have done a spot of burglary during the funeral service. The answer with this is for someone to stay behind in the house. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Hi Jeremy, Been watching this thread and tend to agree with your statement... "The women remained at the house (where the first leg had taken place); after all, someone had to make the sandwiches." Think you hit the nail on the head. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Wilkes" <JeremyWilkes@compuserve.com> To: <SOG-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: [SoG] no women allowed I attended the funeral of one of my aunts in Glamorgan in 1968, and the second and third legs of the funeral were an all-male event, save that one or two women, not family members, appeared at the church (the second leg) and the harmonium-player there was female. The women remained at the house (where the first leg had taken place); after all, someone had to make the sandwiches. It seems from a press report that much the same happened when one of her sisters died in 1950 or 1951. However more recent funerals of aunts and uncles have been attended by both sexes, though one aunt remained at the house during her husband's funeral, but possibly more through mobility difficulties than from any other cause. Jeremy Wilkes

I attended the funeral of one of my aunts in Glamorgan in 1968, and the second and third legs of the funeral were an all-male event, save that one or two women, not family members, appeared at the church (the second leg) and the harmonium-player there was female. The women remained at the house (where the first leg had taken place); after all, someone had to make the sandwiches. It seems from a press report that much the same happened when one of her sisters died in 1950 or 1951. However more recent funerals of aunts and uncles have been attended by both sexes, though one aunt remained at the house during her husband's funeral, but possibly more through mobility difficulties than from any other cause. Jeremy Wilkes