[You never pay attention until it matters] Can anyone help me with what has happened to Boyd's Marriage Index please. If you Google "Boyd's Marriage Index" you get a great description on a page in Origins, but as far as I can tell it is no longer in the Origins Marriage collection. Before I log into SOG a search on ADSHEAD tells me that there are 130 in Boyd's If I log into SOG as a member I can find descriptions of the sources but do not seem to be able to search for any actual records in Boyds. If I search on FMP under Parish Marriages, many of the search results say "Source Boyd's 1st Misc Series etc: Data Provider SOG" But it only gives me the year of the Marriage, and not the date within the year. I feel sure that I extracted many dates previously from the Origins index to Boyds Am I missing something ? How do I find the exact date of Marriages in Boyd's now ? Best regards Gordon+Z +Z_______________+Z_______________+Z__________________________+Z <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead Manchester Design Technology Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, England Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-777-6145602 <[email protected]>

Hi Hi a very big thank you to all who replied to my request for help in getting my dads army records. I have now sent of the forms and am waitng for a reply. Thank you all Paul

Paul At present only your father can apply for his service record and then next of kin if deceased. If he never collected his medals at end of WW2 he can still collect them now. Tom Spence ________________________________ From: Paul Luddington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 14 July, 2011 14:58:13 Subject: [SOG-UK] Army Records Hi All Would anyone know if you can get army records + medals for living WW2 vet? I would like to get my dads if possable. Regards Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm planning on doing the same thing to get my my dad's WW2 records. He was in the Navy and hardly ever talked about it. Sadly, my dad is no longer with us. I have the address to write to - from TNA - but there is a time limit I believe, only so many years after they died, and I will have to prove a) that he is dead and b) I am a descendant. As for the medals, I believe that we cannot get replacement medals as his DSC was sadly stolen twice in his lifetime, and the medal office will not supply replacements again. I'm always hoping that one day it might turn up, but I haven't really looked for it yet, to be honest. I hope this helps. Rosemary On 14/07/2011 15:44, "Gerry Newnham" <[email protected]> wrote: >You need to go to this web site for details and forms: > >http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html > >Gerry > >On 14 Jul 2011, at 14:58, Paul Luddington wrote: > >> Hi All >> Would anyone know if you can get army records + medals for >>living WW2 vet? I would like to get my dads if possable. >> >> Regards >> Paul >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You need to go to this web site for details and forms: http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html Gerry On 14 Jul 2011, at 14:58, Paul Luddington wrote: > Hi All > Would anyone know if you can get army records + medals for living WW2 vet? I would like to get my dads if possable. > > Regards > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is where you go: http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInformation/FOIContact/RequestsForAccessToPersonalDataHeldByTheMinistryOfDefence.htm ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Goodey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 14 July, 2011 15:24:47 Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Army Records On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 14:58 +0100, Paul Luddington wrote: > Would anyone know if you can get army records + medals for living WW2 > vet? I would like to get my dads if possable. Your dad can obtain his records! I would have said that your best plan is to draft the application and just get him to sign it. Perhaps if you have power of attorney you could apply on his behalf but I'm really not sure about that. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 14:58 +0100, Paul Luddington wrote: > Would anyone know if you can get army records + medals for living WW2 > vet? I would like to get my dads if possable. Your dad can obtain his records! I would have said that your best plan is to draft the application and just get him to sign it. Perhaps if you have power of attorney you could apply on his behalf but I'm really not sure about that.

Hi All Would anyone know if you can get army records + medals for living WW2 vet? I would like to get my dads if possable. Regards Paul

Hello Alec, There is always next year and we will see how that turn out. Thanks for your reply and comments. Michael. New Zealand. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: SOG-UK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 89 (Alec Tritton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:44:41 +0100 > From: Alec Tritton<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] SOG-UK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 89 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <643543267/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/89.168.137.237/07/07/11/09:44:[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi Michael > Yet another problem of course > The articles 27.2 (4) allow for electronic voting but the proxy > would have to be in the same form as the written proxy - thus all you > would have been able to do is give yet another vote to the chairman > to do as he saw fit... > Of course what could also have happened, now that the Society has > this wonderful contact management system..... is send out to all > members by email a copy of the proxy. > > I am surprised it didn't happen with this form of proxy as such it > would have given even more power to the chairman to lavish is > patronage on those candidates he wanted as trustees - mind you > thinking to do this would though have had to have been a strong > point............ > > Yes I am being cynical > > The articles were changed in 2009 to supposedly make a more > democratic society but what price democracy when the chairman is able > to outvote all members attending the AGM > > Alec > > At 01:26 07/07/2011, you wrote: >> Today, 7th. July 2011, I received my information about the Annual >> General Meeting and the Proxy form. >> >> However, as you can see the date, I was _*NOT*_ able to vote! >> >> Perhaps, in the future, the overseas members could received the data >> *BEFORE *the meeting. Or, perhaps, you wish to exclude us and just give >> us the results. >> >> Sincverely, >> >> Prof. Michael >> New Zealand. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOG-UK list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SOG-UK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOG-UK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 91 > ************************************* > -- Version: 10.0.1204 / AVG Virus Database: Release Date: Tuesday, 8 March 2011, 9:43 a.m. Web site: www.michael-outram.com Skype: User name: michaeloutram Researching: Outram, Humberstone, MacLean, Alexander, Munro, Gun-Munro, Corthorn, Witter, Griffin, Spencer, and more. Locations: England, Scotland, Grenada, Australia, Chile, Peru and others.

Today, 7th. July 2011, I received my information about the Annual General Meeting and the Proxy form. However, as you can see the date, I was _*NOT*_ able to vote! Perhaps, in the future, the overseas members could received the data *BEFORE *the meeting. Or, perhaps, you wish to exclude us and just give us the results. Sincverely, Prof. Michael New Zealand.

Hi Michael Yet another problem of course The articles 27.2 (4) allow for electronic voting but the proxy would have to be in the same form as the written proxy - thus all you would have been able to do is give yet another vote to the chairman to do as he saw fit... Of course what could also have happened, now that the Society has this wonderful contact management system..... is send out to all members by email a copy of the proxy. I am surprised it didn't happen with this form of proxy as such it would have given even more power to the chairman to lavish is patronage on those candidates he wanted as trustees - mind you thinking to do this would though have had to have been a strong point............ Yes I am being cynical The articles were changed in 2009 to supposedly make a more democratic society but what price democracy when the chairman is able to outvote all members attending the AGM Alec At 01:26 07/07/2011, you wrote: >Today, 7th. July 2011, I received my information about the Annual >General Meeting and the Proxy form. > >However, as you can see the date, I was _*NOT*_ able to vote! > >Perhaps, in the future, the overseas members could received the data >*BEFORE *the meeting. Or, perhaps, you wish to exclude us and just give >us the results. > >Sincverely, > >Prof. Michael >New Zealand. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My thanks to Diana, Denise and Andrew for their helpful thoughts which I shall follow up and act on. The accumulated wisdom of the members always seems to turn up trumps !! With Best Wishes, Richard Dawnay

If you are near enough to London, the LDS Family History Centre in Exhibition Road has all the PCY films there, so it's possible to use the Origins index and then view and copy your wills from the film at the LDS on demand. That can be really useful if you find a number of candidates in the index and aren't sure which ones you want to copy until you've read them. If you then want to copy them by taking a digital photo direct from the film reader, and the quality is good enough, there's no charge. Otherwise, they will do scans from the film at (I think) 50p a page for printouts or 30p for downloading onto a memory stick. Sorry if this sounds like a big plug for the LDS but it is a very quick and cheap solution if you can get there. >> From: DENISE MORTORFF > Sent: 05 July 2011 23:33 > > What is the specific difference between what is held at the Borthwick > Institute and the ORIGINS Network? Origins has indexes to these wills, the Borthwick has calendars and the original documents together with inventories, bonds etc. associated with the probate. Most, but not all, this material is on LDS microfilm as well.>> Diana Bouglas

> From: DENISE MORTORFF > Sent: 05 July 2011 23:33 > > What is the specifric difference between what is held at the Borthwick > Institute and the ORIGINS Network? Origins has indexes to these wills, the Borthwick has calendars and the original documents together with inventories, bonds etc. associated with the probate. Most, but not all, this material is on LDS microfilm as well. Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - [email protected] Bodimeade genealogy:   http://www.one-name.org/homepages/bodimeade/ My family history:     http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/ GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/

On 5 Jul at 21:04, MILLARD A.R. <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Tim Powys-Lybbe Sent: 05 July 2011 18:35 > <snip> > > Clause 40 of the Articles of Association provides for the Election > > of Trustees: > > > > "In the event of there being more candidates at an Annual General > > meeting that the number for which there are vacancies on the Board > > of Trustees at such meeting the election of candidates shall be > > determined in such manner as is prescribed in the appropriate > > Standing Orders" > > The AGM papers did not state that there were more candidates than > vacancies. One had to be sufficiently au fait with the Articles and > current membership of the trustees to realise that. Hence I did not > bother to vote as I did not realise there was a contested election. And there is no means that the Articles allow for voting for elections by people not at the meeting. There is no suggestion that it could even be allowed. Whereas Resolutions are explicitly allowed to be voted on by non-attendees. > Not that a proxy vote would have been meaningful without (a) any > information about the candidates, and (b) the ability to specify how > my vote was caste. <snip for brevity> > The non-existence of Standing Orders seems to me to be they only > possible procedural problem here. If the procedure was not valid, > that problem presumably applies to last year's election as well. That > could leave us quite short on trustees. There has not been a competition for quite a few years. Sometimes not enough people have been elected to fill all the vacancies. And it was only in 2009 that Proxy voting for Resolutions was introduced, and we have never had to use that at all as we have never had a contest over any resolutions. Similarly this year: loads of Nem Cons. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

> From: Richard Dawnay > Sent: 05 July 2011 21:02 > > I would be grateful for advice on how to obtain copies of wills granted > by the Exchequer Court of York and the Prerogative Court of York in the > 17th century. As I am unable to travel to York, I shall have to write to > the relevant authority and, if possible, would like to know their address. > I would appreciate any help from fellow members. They are held at the Borthwick Institute, University of York, and you will need their 'remote copy service' http://www.york.ac.uk/library/borthwick/copying/remote-copy-services/ Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - [email protected] Bodimeade genealogy:   http://www.one-name.org/homepages/bodimeade/ My family history:     http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/ GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/

> From: Tim Powys-Lybbe > Sent: 05 July 2011 18:35 <snip> > Clause 40 of the Articles of Association provides for the Election of > Trustees: > > "In the event of there being more candidates at an Annual General > meeting that the number for which there are vacancies on the Board of > Trustees at such meeting the election of candidates shall be > determined in such manner as is prescribed in the appropriate > Standing Orders" The AGM papers did not state that there were more candidates than vacancies. One had to be sufficiently au fait with the Articles and current membership of the trustees to realise that. Hence I did not bother to vote as I did not realise there was a contested election. Not that a proxy vote would have been meaningful without (a) any information about the candidates, and (b) the ability to specify how my vote was caste. > (C) In any case the supplied, and unconstitutional, Proxy Form made > mention of the 'Chairman of the Society of Genealogists' which is not > an office within the Society. Clause 25 shows that there are two > Chairmen: <snip> > Accordingly the vote for the Trustees which included Proxy Voting was > invalid. Much as I disliked having a proxy form which prevented me from instructing my proxy how to vote, the form sent out did follow the format supplied in the Articles of "I ... appoint [A] of [X] or failing him/her [B] of [Y] as my proxy...". It was just that the [B] of [Y] bit was filled in for us rather than left for us to fill it in as it is in the example given in the Articles. But as the Articles permit the proxy to be assigned in "any other form ... which the directors may approve", the format of it cannot be contested as unconstitutional. Likewise, as the name of the Chairman of Trustees was explicitly given there could be no doubt about who was being appointed, even if the title of his position, 'Chairman of the Trustees of the Society of Genealogists', was shortened to 'Chairman of the Society of Genealogists'. A google search shows the shortened version in use by some past chairmen. That, I think, is sufficient evidence that what was intended by those words was clear and could not be mis-construed, and therefore I see no point contesting the vote on this point. The non-existence of Standing Orders seems to me to be they only possible procedural problem here. If the procedure was not valid, that problem presumably applies to last year's election as well. That could leave us quite short on trustees. Andrew -- Andrew Millard - [email protected] Bodimeade genealogy:   http://www.one-name.org/homepages/bodimeade/ My family history:     http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/ GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/

I would be grateful for advice on how to obtain copies of wills granted by the Exchequer Court of York and the Prerogative Court of York in the 17th century. As I am unable to travel to York, I shall have to write to the relevant authority and, if possible, would like to know their address. I would appreciate any help from fellow members. Richard Dawnay

On 5 Jul at 9:12, Alec Tritton <[email protected]> wrote: <reconstructed so that the flow is evident> On 4 Jul at 15:00, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > <<snipped>> I think we need a constitutional working party set up > > <<snipped>> > > > > In the interim, to avoid loss of time and money (no doubt), I would > > suggest a simple instruction should be issued that Article 27.2 > > point (3) MUST always be applied - point (3) being (I hope) the bit > > allowing proxy voters the ability to specify who the vote is to go > > to. > Hi Adrian I would agree this would stop such an abuse of the > democratic process but of course it means a change to the Articles of > Association. Such change can only be made at a General Meeting whether > AGM or EGM so might as well sort out the mess of the Articles in the > first place. Totally correct, though I would not describe the Articles in general as a 'mess'. > As I have previously said, I am in discussion with my solicitor and my > formal complaint concerning the conduct and procedure of the AGM will > be submitted before the end of the week to the CEO. I agree that the AGM itself looks to have been flawed. My reasoning is that the election of the trustees was invalid, as follows: Clause 40 of the Articles of Association provides for the Election of Trustees: "In the event of there being more candidates at an Annual General meeting that the number for which there are vacancies on the Board of Trustees at such meeting the election of candidates shall be determined in such manner as is prescribed in the appropriate Standing Orders" (A) I have been unable to locate any such Standing Orders nor any procedure for proscribing Standing Orders for an Annual General Meeting. (There are lots of Standing order for the operation of the Trustees meetings and those of the various Committees and for the principal Officers' jobs.) (B) The procedure that was followed was that in Clause 27 which provides for methods of voting on Resolutions and does allow for Proxy voting. But this procedure does not apply to Election of Trustees so was not valid. (C) In any case the supplied, and unconstitutional, Proxy Form made mention of the 'Chairman of the Society of Genealogists' which is not an office within the Society. Clause 25 shows that there are two Chairmen: "The President (if any) of the Society shall preside as Chairman at every General Meeting, but if there be no such President or if at any meeting he or she shall not be present within fifteen minutes after the time appointed for holding the same, or shall be unwilling to preside the senior Vice President who shall be willing to so act shall act as Chairman. If there is no Vice President present and willing to act, the Chairman or Vice-Chairman of the Board of Trustees shall preside failing whom the Members present shall choose some Member of the Society who shall be present to preside." Thus the Chairman of the AGM is normally the President of the Society and the other Chairman is the Chair of the Trustees. Accordingly the vote for the Trustees which included Proxy Voting was invalid. I would encourage others of a like mind to communicate something similar to the Secretary. The remaining Trustees can proceed on their own as there are enough to be a quorum. They can invite the candidates (all four of them I would suggest) in as non-voting members, or not invite them, as they think fit. The election of the three trustees could either be done at an Extraordinary General Meeting or it could be achieved by recounting the votes after excluding all the proxies. <snip for brevity but apologies for the length of my bit> -- Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

What is the specifric difference between what is held at the Borthwick Institute and the ORIGINS Network? Denise Mortorff ----- Original Message ---- From: MILLARD A.R. <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 2:04:08 PM Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Access to Wills > From: Richard Dawnay > Sent: 05 July 2011 21:02 > > I would be grateful for advice on how to obtain copies of wills granted > by the Exchequer Court of York and the Prerogative Court of York in the > 17th century.  As I am unable to travel to York, I shall have to write to > the relevant authority and, if possible, would like to know their address. > I would appreciate any help from fellow members. They are held at the Borthwick Institute, University of York, and you will need their 'remote copy service' http://www.york.ac.uk/library/borthwick/copying/remote-copy-services/ Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - [email protected] Bodimeade genealogy:   http://www.one-name.org/homepages/bodimeade/ My family history:     http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/ GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message