It is apparently quite usual to make a will in contemplation of matrimony (solicitor's advice) which is not invalidated by marriage. Regards, Colin Mills On 08/08/2011 16:35, ag.hamilton wrote: > I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't marry the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. > > It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this one refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that relationship at the time the will was signed. > > The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal? > > Any advice on this would be helpful. > > Thanks > > Angela Hamilton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you for all the replies. Chris - yes you're right - a previous will is invalidated by a subsequent marriage. Was this the case in 1946? Merryl - the marriage on Oct 16 was a Reg. Office marriage. Keith - this is what I thought would be the case. The will was signed, dated and witnessed on Sept. 5 and was therefore invalidated on Oct 16 when she married unless the law was different then. One might have expected her solicitor to explain things, but since the beneficiaries are described as 'husband' and 'stepchildren' and named perhaps he simply assumed that they had already married. I don't remember being asked for my marriage cert. when I made a new will after marrying. In any event when she died in 1951 the will was proved without any apparent problems. All very interesting. Angela > I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't marry the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. > > It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this one refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that relationship at the time the will was signed. > > The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal?

If it is desribed as the Last Will & Testament etc & was signed and dated and witnessed prior to the legal marriage ceremony, even if in favour of the (presumably named)man she marries and his children, it nevertheless becomes invalid on the subsequent marriage. Keith Atkinson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merryl Wells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Will made on marriage >I am wondering if the will was drawn up on 5 Sept but she didn't actually > sign the will until after the date of marriage - or she 'married' twice, > once in a Registery Office and on 16 Oct in a Church? When I started > divorce proceedings in 1980 both my then husband and I separately made a > kind of will/legal statement excluding the other and once everything had > been sorted financially and the divorce was complete in 1981 I made a > proper > will. > > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: [email protected] > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ag.hamilton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:35 PM > Subject: [SOG-UK] Will made on marriage > > >>I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's >>husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't >>marry >>the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. >> >> It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be >> normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this >> one >> refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that relationship >> at the time the will was signed. >> >> The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't >> find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they >> just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal? >> >> Any advice on this would be helpful. >> >> Thanks >> >> Angela Hamilton >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I am wondering if the will was drawn up on 5 Sept but she didn't actually sign the will until after the date of marriage - or she 'married' twice, once in a Registery Office and on 16 Oct in a Church? When I started divorce proceedings in 1980 both my then husband and I separately made a kind of will/legal statement excluding the other and once everything had been sorted financially and the divorce was complete in 1981 I made a proper will. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst ----- Original Message ----- From: "ag.hamilton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:35 PM Subject: [SOG-UK] Will made on marriage >I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's >husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't marry >the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. > > It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be > normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this one > refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that relationship > at the time the will was signed. > > The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't > find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they > just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal? > > Any advice on this would be helpful. > > Thanks > > Angela Hamilton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email >

My understanding of English law is that a will is made invalid by a subsequent marriage. So writing a new one in anticipation of a wedding would be entirely appropriate. Chris Watts ----- Original Message ----- From: "ag.hamilton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:35 PM Subject: [SOG-UK] Will made on marriage >I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's >husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't marry >the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. > > It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be > normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this one > refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that relationship > at the time the will was signed. > > The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't > find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they > just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal? > > Any advice on this would be helpful. > > Thanks > > Angela Hamilton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't marry the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this one refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that relationship at the time the will was signed. The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal? Any advice on this would be helpful. Thanks Angela Hamilton

Hi Mary My father was in the war and I should be very grateful to see the photos too. Martin Knightley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 06 August 2011 11:22 To: [email protected] Subject: [SOG-UK] war photos Hello all, Today I received a forward from an American friend containing a series of WWII photos - received by her from a friend whose father, a WWII veteran, had recently died. While these photos are most likely heavily American, it occurred to me that some of the list members particularly interested in military history might want to receive copies of these via email forward. If so, please contact me directly & I will forward them to you. Mary T ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Mary Maybe if we could have the name of the WW11 veteran who died, we would be able to ascertain any relationship? April Wood Ashton On 6 Aug 2011, at 11:22, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello all, > Today I received a forward from an American friend containing a > series of WWII photos - received by her from a friend whose father, > a WWII veteran, had recently died. While these photos are most > likely heavily American, it occurred to me that some of the list > members particularly interested in military history might want to > receive copies of these via email forward. If so, please contact me > directly & I will forward them to you. > Mary T > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THE PHOTOGRAPHS. MY BROTHER ND FATHER WERE IN THE WAR. thanks! JACK NELSON LEXINGTON, KY [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 06:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SOG-UK] war photos Hello all, Today I received a forward from an American friend containing a series of WWII photos - received by her from a friend whose father, a WWII veteran, had recently died. While these photos are most likely heavily American, it occurred to me that some of the list members particularly interested in military history might want to receive copies of these via email forward. If so, please contact me directly & I will forward them to you. Mary T ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, Today I received a forward from an American friend containing a series of WWII photos - received by her from a friend whose father, a WWII veteran, had recently died. While these photos are most likely heavily American, it occurred to me that some of the list members particularly interested in military history might want to receive copies of these via email forward. If so, please contact me directly & I will forward them to you. Mary T

I don't mind having a go, never done a 'Webinar' before. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:01 AM Subject: SOG-UK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 99 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Society Webinar (Alec Tritton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:56:59 +0100 > From: Alec Tritton <[email protected]> > Subject: [SOG-UK] Society Webinar > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <655271875/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/89.168.154.95/08/02/11/20:37:[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi List > The Society will be holding its first online lecture later this month > and as such we would like to do a trial run on the afternoon of > Wednesday 10th August. > We need a few volunteers to listen in at home (or work)!! > > So if you are willing to spare half an hour next Wednesday, please > email Lori <[email protected]> and she will send you full details. > There is no charge for this > > It is hoped that the Society can deliver more of its lecture program > in this manner in order to increase inclusiveness allowing anyone in > the world with a computer and Internet access to hear it live and be > able to ask questions during and afterwards > > Regards > Alec Tritton > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOG-UK list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SOG-UK mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOG-UK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 99 > ************************************* >

>> For some time I have been going on about how the Society should use podcasting which has been such a great sucess for the National Archives.<< The Society is not short of innovative ideas. What it is short of is VOLUNTEERS with the time and expertise available to carry them out. There is no money in the pot to employ professionals. We should count ourselves lucky that such a person has come forward to enable us to dip a toe in the water, but to be a regular part of the programme, more such volunteers will be required. Jeanne Bunting

Let's just hope next wednesdays offering is an engaging and informative one. Julian Duffus Sog member since 1978 Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

I was thrilled to read Alex Trittons post re this new way the society has for delivering lecturers. For some time I have been going on about how the Society should use podcasting which has been such a great sucess for the National Archives. Well I guess this is a step in the right direction and indeed goes one better with a degree of interactivity which must be welcomed. I have signed up as a member of the test audience. Let's hope it goes well and gives even greater value to the members and helps recruit/retain the distant Non London Membership. Julian Duffus Sog member since 1978 Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 01:01:08 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: SOG-UK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 99 Today's Topics: 1. Society Webinar (Alec Tritton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:56:59 +0100 From: Alec Tritton <[email protected]> Subject: [SOG-UK] Society Webinar To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <655271875/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/89.168.154.95/08/02/11/20:37:[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi List The Society will be holding its first online lecture later this month and as such we would like to do a trial run on the afternoon of Wednesday 10th August. We need a few volunteers to listen in at home (or work)!! So if you are willing to spare half an hour next Wednesday, please email Lori <[email protected]> and she will send you full details. There is no charge for this It is hoped that the Society can deliver more of its lecture program in this manner in order to increase inclusiveness allowing anyone in the world with a computer and Internet access to hear it live and be able to ask questions during and afterwards Regards Alec Tritton ------------------------------ To contact the SOG-UK list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the SOG-UK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SOG-UK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 99 *************************************

Hi List The Society will be holding its first online lecture later this month and as such we would like to do a trial run on the afternoon of Wednesday 10th August. We need a few volunteers to listen in at home (or work)!! So if you are willing to spare half an hour next Wednesday, please email Lori <[email protected]> and she will send you full details. There is no charge for this It is hoped that the Society can deliver more of its lecture program in this manner in order to increase inclusiveness allowing anyone in the world with a computer and Internet access to hear it live and be able to ask questions during and afterwards Regards Alec Tritton

Members may be interested in the following information sent via FFHS update SHEFFIELD Sheffield City Archives is due to re-open on Monday 5 September after a major upgrade to its archive strongroom. For more information relating to temporary closure visit http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/libraries/archives-and-local-studies/about-us/vi siting-us/temporary-relocation Regards Beryl Evans FFHS Archives Liaison Officer [email protected] CANTERBURY Thank you to Duncan Harrington, FSA, FSG, LHG, Ashton Lodge, Church Road, Lyminge, Folkestone, Kent CT18 8JA UK. Tel: 01303.862368. Website: http://www.historyresearch.co.uk for sharing this information. I shall post further details as I receive them. Cressida Williams has written to me to say, The Cathedral's Receiver-General (administrator) has asked me to let you know that the Dean and Chapter has decided to close the Cathedral Archives from the end of January 2012 for a period of at least 7 months because of the need to carry out essential repair to the building's roofs. The Receiver-General has written to the Chief Executive of Canterbury City Council and to the Vice-Chancellors of Canterbury Christ Church University and the University of Kent to notify them of this closure. Project planning for the closure and related works has only just started, and there is no date for re-opening. When it does open again, the Archives will be a fully Dean and Chapter operated facility. The Receiver-General appreciates that this is unexpected news, but the state of the building necessitates this closure. Regards Beryl Evans FFHS Archives Liaison Officer [email protected] The Federation of Family History Societies is a Company Limited by Guarantee Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website www.sog.org.uk <http://www.sog.org.uk/> WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This message (and attachments) may contain information that is confidential to The Society of Genealogists. If you are not the intended recipient you cannot use, distribute or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, please notify the sender by return e-mail immediately and erase all copies of the message and attachments. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

Many thanks for this explanation Frank Over the years I have collected so many Marriages for my One-Name Study, that I had completely forgotten that Boyds Index never included the exact Date of the Marriage. In practice nearly every other pre-1837 index source does include the Date, and I am surprised at how few gaps I have in this respect when combining all sources. Best regards Gordon +Z At 20:05 19/07/2011, Frank Hardy wrote: >The only thing that has happened to Boyds Marriage index is that it was >transferred from Origins to Find My Past following a new contractual >arrangement by the SoG starting last January. > >Most of the index is now up also on MySoG available through the main SoG >website. From memory the Main series and 1st Miscellaneous series are >available but the 2nd Miscellaneous Series is not available yet. > >The index will give the year ONLY, together with both parties and the source >from which Percival Boyd got the data. To get the full details it will be >necessary to look up the details in the Parish Register or other source >used. Many of the sources are held within the SoG Library. > >The same thing has happened to all the other SoG material held on Origins. +Z_______________+Z_______________+Z__________________________+Z <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead Manchester Design Technology Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, England Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-777-6145602 <[email protected]>

The only thing that has happened to Boyds Marriage index is that it was transferred from Origins to Find My Past following a new contractual arrangement by the SoG starting last January. Most of the index is now up also on MySoG available through the main SoG website. From memory the Main series and 1st Miscellaneous series are available but the 2nd Miscellaneous Series is not available yet. The index will give the year ONLY, together with both parties and the source from which Percival Boyd got the data. To get the full details it will be necessary to look up the details in the Parish Register or other source used. Many of the sources are held within the SoG Library. The same thing has happened to all the other SoG material held on Origins. Frank Hardy

Find My Past has Boyd's marriage Index (part of it, at least). Otherwise you need to go to SOG - if you are a member it might be on their web site. Gerry On 16 Jul 2011, at 09:16, Gordon Adshead wrote: > [You never pay attention until it matters] > Can anyone help me with what has happened to Boyd's Marriage Index please. > > If you Google "Boyd's Marriage Index" you get a great description on > a page in Origins, but as far as I can tell it is no longer in the > Origins Marriage collection. > > Before I log into SOG a search on ADSHEAD tells me that there are 130 in Boyd's > If I log into SOG as a member I can find descriptions of the sources > but do not seem to be able to search for any actual records in Boyds. > > If I search on FMP under Parish Marriages, many of the search results > say "Source Boyd's 1st Misc Series etc: Data Provider SOG" > But it only gives me the year of the Marriage, and not the date > within the year. > > I feel sure that I extracted many dates previously from the Origins > index to Boyds > > Am I missing something ? > How do I find the exact date of Marriages in Boyd's now ? > > Best regards Gordon+Z > > > +Z_______________+Z_______________+Z__________________________+Z > <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead Manchester Design Technology > Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, England > Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-777-6145602 <[email protected]> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought Boyd's Marriage Index only gives the year, not a full date, and just the groom, bride and place of marriage. JK On 16 July 2011 09:16, Gordon Adshead <[email protected]> wrote: > [You never pay attention until it matters] > Can anyone help me with what has happened to Boyd's Marriage Index please. > > If you Google "Boyd's Marriage Index" you get a great description on > a page in Origins, but as far as I can tell it is no longer in the > Origins Marriage collection. > > Before I log into SOG a search on ADSHEAD tells me that there are 130 in Boyd's > If I log into SOG as a member I can find descriptions of the sources > but do not seem to be able to search for any actual records in Boyds. > > If I search on FMP under Parish Marriages, many of the search results > say "Source Boyd's 1st Misc Series etc: Data Provider SOG" > But it only gives me the year of the Marriage, and not the date > within the year. > > I feel sure that I extracted many dates previously from the Origins > index to Boyds > > Am I missing something ? > How do I find the exact date of Marriages in Boyd's now ? > > Best regards Gordon+Z > > > +Z_______________+Z_______________+Z__________________________+Z > <http://www.adshead.com/>   Gordon Adshead     Manchester Design Technology > Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, England > Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770  Mob:+44-777-6145602  <[email protected]> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >