Paul I can't give you a definite answer, but an incorrect transcription I found several years ago on the LDS site still shows up in Ancestry. The FMP site does have the correct transcription so it is possible they have done their own. I seem to remember they made quite a thing of doing new scans of the original images, but I don't remember whether or not they mentioned a new transcription. And it is even possible I brought the error to their attention myself. So not much help I'm afraid. George

I share your frustration, Paul, as my own great grandparents are missing on all the 1881 censuses you mention, which are indeed all based on the original Familysearch transcription. As far as I am aware there is just one company who is / has been re-transcribing the 1881 census and I think it is The Genealogist but I can't find any reference on their website so I can't be certain. Rosemary On 30/08/2011 21:29, "Paul Smallcombe" <[email protected]> wrote: > >Have any of Ancestry, FMP et al. actually done their own transcriptions >of the 1881 census or is everyone using the original Familysearch/Mormon >effort and offering it for free? > >It's just that, if I've had difficulty tracing someone on one site I can >often find them on another and find the entry has been mis-read or >mis-transcribed, but if there's only one version of 1881 (and always will >be) what chance...? > >Paul > >

Paul According to a recent newsletter from Peter Calver of Lost Cousins, the Genealogist has its own index to 1881. http://lostcousins.com/newsletters/jul11news.htm David Wharton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smallcombe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: [SOG-UK] 1881 census > > > Have any of Ancestry, FMP et al. actually done their own transcriptions of > the 1881 census or is everyone using the original Familysearch/Mormon > effort and offering it for free? > > It's just that, if I've had difficulty tracing someone on one site I can > often find them on another and find the entry has been mis-read or > mis-transcribed, but if there's only one version of 1881 (and always will > be) what chance...? > > Paul > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Have any of Ancestry, FMP et al. actually done their own transcriptions of the 1881 census or is everyone using the original Familysearch/Mormon effort and offering it for free? It's just that, if I've had difficulty tracing someone on one site I can often find them on another and find the entry has been mis-read or mis-transcribed, but if there's only one version of 1881 (and always will be) what chance...? Paul

I have just received the following message that might be of interest to members Dear Sir "Digging Up Your Roots" Series 7 Transmission Dates: January 8th - February 26th 2012 The popular genealogy series 'Digging up Your Roots' returns to BBC Radio Scotland in the new year. We are keen to hear from people who are researching their ancestry. I wondered if you might be able to pass this information on to any one who may have a question about the life of one a family member, or a great tale to tell. We can be contacted via mail at: Digging Up Your Roots, BBC Radio Scotland, Beechgrove Terrace, Aberdeen, AB15 5ZT or email at <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Many thanks Laura. Laura Seawright BBC Scotland, Beechgrove Terrace, ABERDEEN, AB15 5ZT Tel: 01224 384 802, Mob: 07703034077 <mailto:[email protected]> email: [email protected] Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.sog.org.uk www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

I am on holiday but it is interesting to note that prior to the first very successful test webinar (with someone living in Bermuda as part of the audience), a prominent member of TNA audience delivery team was asking US how we were doing it! Perhaps they should pay us part of their many millions as a consultancy fee! Look out for the first "real" webinar later this month Regards to all from a very sunny Devon - that's liquid sunshine by the way Alec Sent from my iPhone On 16 Aug 2011, at 09:13, "Nick Barratt" <[email protected]> wrote: > TNA are looking to collaborate more closely with external organisations, and > start to share some of their technology that's funded with taxpayers money. > It might be worth discussing the possibility of doing some joint (or TNA > hosted) webinars in the future. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Web lecture > > > On 3 Aug at 9:13, [email protected] wrote: > >> I was thrilled to read Alex Trittons post re this new way the society >> has for delivering lecturers. For some time I have been going on about >> how the Society should use podcasting which has been such a great >> sucess for the National Archives. > > Just to add to Jeanne's answer, the National Archives get around £50m a > year from the Government to cover its operating costs. And the Society > gets almost nothing, we are not even allowed to claim gift-aid tax > recovery on our subscriptions. > >> Well I guess this is a step in the >> right direction and indeed goes one better with a degree of >> interactivity which must be welcomed. I have signed up as a member of >> the test audience. Let's hope it goes well and gives even greater >> value to the members and helps recruit/retain the distant Non London >> Membership. > > Indeed. > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

TNA are looking to collaborate more closely with external organisations, and start to share some of their technology that's funded with taxpayers money. It might be worth discussing the possibility of doing some joint (or TNA hosted) webinars in the future. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Web lecture On 3 Aug at 9:13, [email protected] wrote: > I was thrilled to read Alex Trittons post re this new way the society > has for delivering lecturers. For some time I have been going on about > how the Society should use podcasting which has been such a great > sucess for the National Archives. Just to add to Jeanne's answer, the National Archives get around £50m a year from the Government to cover its operating costs. And the Society gets almost nothing, we are not even allowed to claim gift-aid tax recovery on our subscriptions. > Well I guess this is a step in the > right direction and indeed goes one better with a degree of > interactivity which must be welcomed. I have signed up as a member of > the test audience. Let's hope it goes well and gives even greater > value to the members and helps recruit/retain the distant Non London > Membership. Indeed. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 3 Aug at 9:13, [email protected] wrote: > I was thrilled to read Alex Trittons post re this new way the society > has for delivering lecturers. For some time I have been going on about > how the Society should use podcasting which has been such a great > sucess for the National Archives. Just to add to Jeanne's answer, the National Archives get around £50m a year from the Government to cover its operating costs. And the Society gets almost nothing, we are not even allowed to claim gift-aid tax recovery on our subscriptions. > Well I guess this is a step in the > right direction and indeed goes one better with a degree of > interactivity which must be welcomed. I have signed up as a member of > the test audience. Let's hope it goes well and gives even greater > value to the members and helps recruit/retain the distant Non London > Membership. Indeed. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

I'm sorry I won't be able to participate in the next test webinar :- ( I thoroughly enjoyed the half I heard of the first one, and think it's a really interesting idea. Recommend use of Firefox rather then Safari!

Are the photos USAAF taken in Italy ? My RAAF father was in a SAAF squadron which shared a base with a USAAF sqdn at Foggia, Italy . Regards Anne Storm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:22 AM Subject: [SOG-UK] war photos > > Hello all, > Today I received a forward from an American friend containing a series of > WWII photos - received by her from a friend whose father, a WWII veteran, > had recently died. While these photos are most likely heavily American, > it occurred to me that some of the list members particularly interested in > military history might want to receive copies of these via email forward. > If so, please contact me directly & I will forward them to you. > Mary T > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

My apologies I meant Friday 19th August Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.sog.org.uk www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

Hi Thanks to everyone who took part in yesterday's test of the SoG webinar facility. We found it very helpful. So much so in fact that we would like to have another test to follow up on some of the lessons learned. So if you are willing to spare an hour next Friday afternoon (18 August) please email Lori <[email protected]> and she will send you full details. Anyone who took part yesterday is welcome to attend as as well as those who couldn't make it, though everyone who wants to attend will need to register with Lori above to receive the correct invitation etc. There is no charge for this It is hoped that the Society can deliver more of its lecture program in this manner in order to increase inclusiveness allowing anyone in the world with a computer and Internet access to hear it live and be able to ask questions during and afterwards Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.sog.org.uk www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

As Peter Wood wrote, if the reference to contemplation of matrimony is correctly drafted, the will is not thereby invalidated. Regards, Colin Mills On 09/08/2011 15:26, Keith Atkinson wrote: > & from a Family Law Solicitor; > > Marriage will automatically revoke a will as it is presumed that upon > marriage, a testator will want to review the will. But it is true that this > can be overridden by a statement in a will that it is made in specific > contemplation of a forthcoming marriage to a named person. > > It is no good if Mr A and Ms B are simply dating and Mr A makes a will in > contemplation of marriage generally. It needs to be more specific than > that - often the Will will name the fiancee and the date of the forthcoming > marriage. > > > Keith Atkinson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

More very interesting replies - thank you. It's certainly agreed that a will made in anticipation of the marriage, and stating this, would be valid. However the will I have was written /signed/witnessed before the marriage and makes no mention of the fact that the marriage has not yet taken place. The executor (and chief beneficiary) is named and referred to as 'my husband' and his children (named) as her stepchildren. It would seem that it might not be valid - but it was treated as valid. Angela On 8 Aug 2011, at 4:35 pm, ag.hamilton wrote: > I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't marry the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. > > It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this one refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that relationship at the time the will was signed. > > The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal? >

& from a Family Law Solicitor; Marriage will automatically revoke a will as it is presumed that upon marriage, a testator will want to review the will. But it is true that this can be overridden by a statement in a will that it is made in specific contemplation of a forthcoming marriage to a named person. It is no good if Mr A and Ms B are simply dating and Mr A makes a will in contemplation of marriage generally. It needs to be more specific than that - often the Will will name the fiancee and the date of the forthcoming marriage. Keith Atkinson

Hello Angela It is a concept of English law that a Will can be made in contemplation of marriage. Provided it is drafted correctly it would not thereby be invalidated by reason of the subsequent marriage to the named spouse. I once made such a Will myself. The first line of the Will should contain the words "in contemplation of my marriage to [name of prospective spouse]" Peter R. Wood In the Isle of Man

No, it's not a contract, but a perfectly valid will. I know this from our solicitor's advice when my wife had made a will shortly before we married: so long as the will stipulates it is made in contepmplation of matrimony, it is valid. If I had left her in the lurch at the registry office, which I didn't, she would have needed to make a new will anyway. Regards, Colin Mills On 09/08/2011 08:21, Keith Atkinson wrote: > If its stated in the Will that it is conditional on the marriage taking > place(within x weeks?) then surely it would not be a Will but a contract ? > Keith Atkinson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Mills"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:01 PM > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Will made on marriage > > >> It is apparently quite usual to make a will in contemplation of >> matrimony (solicitor's advice) which is not invalidated by marriage. >> >> Regards, Colin Mills >> >> On 08/08/2011 16:35, ag.hamilton wrote: >>> I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's >>> husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't >>> marry the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. >>> >>> It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be >>> normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this >>> one refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that >>> relationship at the time the will was signed. >>> >>> The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't >>> find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they >>> just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal? >>> >>> Any advice on this would be helpful. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Angela Hamilton >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

If its stated in the Will that it is conditional on the marriage taking place(within x weeks?) then surely it would not be a Will but a contract ? Keith Atkinson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Mills" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Will made on marriage > It is apparently quite usual to make a will in contemplation of > matrimony (solicitor's advice) which is not invalidated by marriage. > > Regards, Colin Mills > > On 08/08/2011 16:35, ag.hamilton wrote: >> I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's >> husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't >> marry the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. >> >> It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be >> normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this >> one refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that >> relationship at the time the will was signed. >> >> The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't >> find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they >> just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal? >> >> Any advice on this would be helpful. >> >> Thanks >> >> Angela Hamilton >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think this is right: if it is made in contemplation of matrimony it is still valid. Regards, Colin Mills On 08/08/2011 20:13, Keith Atkinson wrote: > If it is desribed as the Last Will& Testament etc& was signed and dated > and witnessed prior to the legal marriage ceremony, even if in favour of the > (presumably named)man she marries and his children, it nevertheless becomes > invalid on the subsequent marriage. > Keith Atkinson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Merryl Wells"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Will made on marriage > > >> I am wondering if the will was drawn up on 5 Sept but she didn't actually >> sign the will until after the date of marriage - or she 'married' twice, >> once in a Registery Office and on 16 Oct in a Church? When I started >> divorce proceedings in 1980 both my then husband and I separately made a >> kind of will/legal statement excluding the other and once everything had >> been sorted financially and the divorce was complete in 1981 I made a >> proper >> will. >> >> From >> Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. >> E-Mail: [email protected] >> GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ag.hamilton"<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:35 PM >> Subject: [SOG-UK] Will made on marriage >> >> >>> I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's >>> husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't >>> marry >>> the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. >>> >>> It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be >>> normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this >>> one >>> refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that relationship >>> at the time the will was signed. >>> >>> The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't >>> find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they >>> just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal? >>> >>> Any advice on this would be helpful. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Angela Hamilton >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >>> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This conforms to my understanding of the law, as stated in my earlier e-mail. Regards. Colin Mills On 08/08/2011 19:00, Chris Watts wrote: > My understanding of English law is that a will is made invalid by a > subsequent marriage. So writing a new one in anticipation of a wedding > would be entirely appropriate. > > Chris Watts > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ag.hamilton"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:35 PM > Subject: [SOG-UK] Will made on marriage > > >> I have a will written on Sept. 5 1946 which refers to the testatrix's >> husband and her stepchildren (who are all named). In fact she didn't marry >> the husband until about six weeks later on Oct 16. >> >> It's normal to make a new will at the time of marriage - would it be >> normal to make it before the marriage? It's a legal document and this one >> refers to 'husband' and 'stepchildren' who didn't have that relationship >> at the time the will was signed. >> >> The 'husband' was the brother of the testatrix's first husband. I can't >> find a record of his death and wonder if there was a divorce, or had they >> just separated and her marriage in October was perhaps not legal? >> >> Any advice on this would be helpful. >> >> Thanks >> >> Angela Hamilton >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >