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    1. [SOG-UK] Archives friday closing.
    2. Mark has obviously not heard of "poets day." Mike Tebbutt.

    09/20/2011 07:54:31
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] London Metropolitan Archives revised opening hours
    2. Why do record offices, libraries etc pick Friday for their closures? If you live out of London, Friday night is one of the cheapest for hotels. So it makes sense to come up on a Friday, visit a record office, stay over night, visit the record office on Saturday (if it's open) and then buzz off home. Sunday night is also cheaper in London hotels but the record offices are open that day so you'd only have Monday to do your research. Midweek is usually the most expensive in London hotels. I know everyone won't agree but I just needed to get that off my chest! Mark @ Yetminster (which isn't in London)

    09/20/2011 06:57:34
    1. [SOG-UK] Irish Genealogical Research Society Celebrates its 75th anniversary in London 1st October
    2. Jill Williams
    3. This seems to be a year of anniversaries. Those with Irish ancestors may be interested in the following. On 1st October the Irish Genealogical Research Society is celebrating its 75th anniversary by holding a symposium entitled Some Irish comings and goings - Aspects of Irish Migration. This is an all day event in central London see http://www.igrsoc.org/symposium.html for more details. Regards Jill Williams

    09/20/2011 06:36:56
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] SOG-UK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 126
    2. Walt O'Dowd
    3. SPAM!!!!!! On 18/09/2011 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. hi [email protected] (beryl martin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:56:44 +0000 > From: beryl martin<[email protected]> > Subject: [SOG-UK] hi [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > hi [email protected] i'm wondering when we can get started http://t.co/ihsJAqPs I dont get why anyone wouldnt go through with this > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOG-UK list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SOG-UK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOG-UK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 126 > ************************************** >

    09/18/2011 07:01:43
    1. [SOG-UK] hi [email protected]
    2. beryl martin
    3. hi [email protected] i'm wondering when we can get started http://t.co/ihsJAqPs I dont get why anyone wouldnt go through with this

    09/17/2011 02:56:44
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources
    2. Thanks, Julie I'll take a look next time I am visiting Colindale. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Julie Drewett <[email protected]> To: sog-uk <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:18 Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources The Sporting Life, a horse racing newspaper, was published from 1859. Julie On 14/09/2011 17:34, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >Good evening > >I am researching the life of a horse trainer who worked in the Herts/Beds >area between 1820 and abt 1860. He achieved notoriety for various reasons >in the 1830/1850 period. > >I am trying to find obituaries for him - he died in 1877 in north London. >So, I am looking for advice on which sporting (in general) or specific >turf-related newspapers/journals were published in the 1870s. To date I >have come across 'Baily's Magazine of Sports and Pastimes' which has >potential and have added this to my list to look at next time I visit the >British Library. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Jon > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    09/15/2011 03:14:10
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] 1881 census
    2. JFHH
    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Watts" <[email protected]> > The transcriptions of the "LDS" 1881 census were actually done by volunteers > (all genealogists) mostly from theFamily History Societies local to the area > being transcribed (and so familiar with locale family and place names) - and > a second checking copy was also done by different persons. The LDS's > contibution (which was very large and greatly appreciated) was primarily in > the data entry and IT areas. > > So I think, Nancy, your presumption about quality is far off mark. > > Chris IIRC, the some of the geographical problems with the 1881 transcription (Sutherland/Sunderland comes to mind) came from the final edit which was done on the other side of the Atlantic. Kind regards, John Henley

    09/15/2011 02:45:41
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources
    2. Merryl Wells
    3. Hi, If you've not already done so, would suggest joining the Herts and/or Beds Lists for possible more local knowledge regarding local newspapers and also maybe private family papers of the Earl of Verulam. We have two ancestors who worked as gardener and a gamekeeper to Lord Spensers relatives whose letters or lives have been printed in which they were mentioned, the gardener having died at Wimbledon whose gravestone was erected by them mentioning that he had been a faithful employee. These type of references also give you a good idea of the types of lives they lived as their 'horse trainer' etc. would have travelled with their employer to race meetings and their other estates. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources > > > > Richard > > If you don't mind taking a look at your collection then I'd bite your hand > off. > > His name was Thomas Coleman and he died in the Barnet registration > district in the Oct-Dec quarter, 1877. (I have ordered his death > certificate but this is as precise as I can get currently). He was 81 and > had trained horses around St Albans for both the Brockett family and the > Earl of Verulam in the 1825-40 period. Bankruptcy then followed him around > over the next 20 years or so. His claim to fame is that he organised and > was the steward for the first ever steeplechase held in England. > > Thanks again > > Jon > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard <[email protected]> > To: SOG-UK <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:29 > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources > > > Hi Jon, > He might appear in "Bells Life in London and Sporting Chronicle" I may > have > the bound copy of 1877 (or at least part of it) somewhere in store (I > think > I have about c.8000 pages of this paper amongst my thousands of > newspapers) - I bought a number of volumes last year (in variable > condition) > > Best Regards > Richard Heaton > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:34 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources > >> Good evening >> >> I am researching the life of a horse trainer who worked in the Herts/Beds >> area between 1820 and abt 1860. He achieved notoriety for various reasons >> in the 1830/1850 period. >> >> I am trying to find obituaries for him - he died in 1877 in north London. >> So, I am looking for advice on which sporting (in general) or specific >> turf-related newspapers/journals were published in the 1870s. To date I >> have come across 'Baily's Magazine of Sports and Pastimes' which has >> potential and have added this to my list to look at next time I visit the >> British Library. >> >> Thanks in advance for any help. >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email >

    09/14/2011 03:38:06
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources
    2. Richard
    3. Hi Jon, No problem - I'll aim to have a look over the weekend - I'm gradually digitalising the collection and need to have a look to see whether I can disbind the "large" format papers such as Bells Best Regards Richard -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:46 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources > > > > Richard > > If you don't mind taking a look at your collection then I'd bite your hand > off. > > His name was Thomas Coleman and he died in the Barnet registration > district in the Oct-Dec quarter, 1877. (I have ordered his death > certificate but this is as precise as I can get currently). He was 81 and > had trained horses around St Albans for both the Brockett family and the > Earl of Verulam in the 1825-40 period. Bankruptcy then followed him around > over the next 20 years or so. His claim to fame is that he organised and > was the steward for the first ever steeplechase held in England. > > Thanks again > > Jon > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard <[email protected]> > To: SOG-UK <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:29 > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources > > > Hi Jon, > He might appear in "Bells Life in London and Sporting Chronicle" I may > have > the bound copy of 1877 (or at least part of it) somewhere in store (I > think > I have about c.8000 pages of this paper amongst my thousands of > newspapers) - I bought a number of volumes last year (in variable > condition) > > Best Regards > Richard Heaton > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:34 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources > >> Good evening >> >> I am researching the life of a horse trainer who worked in the Herts/Beds >> area between 1820 and abt 1860. He achieved notoriety for various reasons >> in the 1830/1850 period. >> >> I am trying to find obituaries for him - he died in 1877 in north London. >> So, I am looking for advice on which sporting (in general) or specific >> turf-related newspapers/journals were published in the 1870s. To date I >> have come across 'Baily's Magazine of Sports and Pastimes' which has >> potential and have added this to my list to look at next time I visit the >> British Library. >> >> Thanks in advance for any help. >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    09/14/2011 01:10:36
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources
    2. Top quality stuff, Mark. This is all news to me. Something to look at in the morning Jon -----Original Message----- From: DorsetPast <[email protected]> To: sog-uk <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:42 Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources Hi Jon Have you tried _www.books.google.co.uk_ (http://www.books.google.co.uk) ? Not obits, but there's a reference to a Thomas Coleman of St Albans, Herts, "training groom", patenting some kind of roller for horses (something to do with harnesses) in 1831 - the search terms I used were "Thomas Coleman" together with horse trainer (without inverted commas). Seems to turn up a number of entries that might be of interest. I enjoy fishing trips like this! Mark @ Yetminster PS -- Jon : I have just logged into my Wellcome Library account which gives me remote access to a database of 19th periodicals: images of Bailey's and Bell's journals are on there and can be accessed from home if you belong to a subscribing institution. I suggest that when you are at the Brit Lib you walk up the road to the Wellcome Lib (nearby) and become a member (free to join): then you can access these journals online from home. As you now know, Coleman was in the process of writing a series of 'recollections' for Bailey's when he died and these can be accessed online. Check out the Wellcome Lib's joining requirements via their website before your trip. Long obit in Bailey's - I'd love to send you all the material off-line but there's lots of it! I really would recommend joining the Wellcome Lib to others - it may be a medical history library but it has some fantastic research resources. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    09/14/2011 01:06:39
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources
    2. Hi Jon Have you tried _www.books.google.co.uk_ (http://www.books.google.co.uk) ? Not obits, but there's a reference to a Thomas Coleman of St Albans, Herts, "training groom", patenting some kind of roller for horses (something to do with harnesses) in 1831 - the search terms I used were "Thomas Coleman" together with horse trainer (without inverted commas). Seems to turn up a number of entries that might be of interest. I enjoy fishing trips like this! Mark @ Yetminster PS -- Jon : I have just logged into my Wellcome Library account which gives me remote access to a database of 19th periodicals: images of Bailey's and Bell's journals are on there and can be accessed from home if you belong to a subscribing institution. I suggest that when you are at the Brit Lib you walk up the road to the Wellcome Lib (nearby) and become a member (free to join): then you can access these journals online from home. As you now know, Coleman was in the process of writing a series of 'recollections' for Bailey's when he died and these can be accessed online. Check out the Wellcome Lib's joining requirements via their website before your trip. Long obit in Bailey's - I'd love to send you all the material off-line but there's lots of it! I really would recommend joining the Wellcome Lib to others - it may be a medical history library but it has some fantastic research resources.

    09/14/2011 12:41:03
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources
    2. Richard
    3. Hi Jon, He might appear in "Bells Life in London and Sporting Chronicle" I may have the bound copy of 1877 (or at least part of it) somewhere in store (I think I have about c.8000 pages of this paper amongst my thousands of newspapers) - I bought a number of volumes last year (in variable condition) Best Regards Richard Heaton -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:34 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources > Good evening > > I am researching the life of a horse trainer who worked in the Herts/Beds > area between 1820 and abt 1860. He achieved notoriety for various reasons > in the 1830/1850 period. > > I am trying to find obituaries for him - he died in 1877 in north London. > So, I am looking for advice on which sporting (in general) or specific > turf-related newspapers/journals were published in the 1870s. To date I > have come across 'Baily's Magazine of Sports and Pastimes' which has > potential and have added this to my list to look at next time I visit the > British Library. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Jon > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    09/14/2011 12:24:08
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources
    2. Julie Drewett
    3. The Sporting Life, a horse racing newspaper, was published from 1859. Julie On 14/09/2011 17:34, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >Good evening > >I am researching the life of a horse trainer who worked in the Herts/Beds >area between 1820 and abt 1860. He achieved notoriety for various reasons >in the 1830/1850 period. > >I am trying to find obituaries for him - he died in 1877 in north London. >So, I am looking for advice on which sporting (in general) or specific >turf-related newspapers/journals were published in the 1870s. To date I >have come across 'Baily's Magazine of Sports and Pastimes' which has >potential and have added this to my list to look at next time I visit the >British Library. > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Jon > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    09/14/2011 12:17:35
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources
    2. Hi Jon Are you aware of the obit of Tommy Coleman in the The Morning Post, November 12, 1877; pg. 2 ? Sounds like you already know a lot about him so you might have seen it. If you haven't seen it I will send it off-line. Mark @ Yetminster

    09/14/2011 09:35:41
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources
    2. Richard If you don't mind taking a look at your collection then I'd bite your hand off. His name was Thomas Coleman and he died in the Barnet registration district in the Oct-Dec quarter, 1877. (I have ordered his death certificate but this is as precise as I can get currently). He was 81 and had trained horses around St Albans for both the Brockett family and the Earl of Verulam in the 1825-40 period. Bankruptcy then followed him around over the next 20 years or so. His claim to fame is that he organised and was the steward for the first ever steeplechase held in England. Thanks again Jon -----Original Message----- From: Richard <[email protected]> To: SOG-UK <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:29 Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources Hi Jon, He might appear in "Bells Life in London and Sporting Chronicle" I may have the bound copy of 1877 (or at least part of it) somewhere in store (I think I have about c.8000 pages of this paper amongst my thousands of newspapers) - I bought a number of volumes last year (in variable condition) Best Regards Richard Heaton -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:34 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources > Good evening > > I am researching the life of a horse trainer who worked in the Herts/Beds > area between 1820 and abt 1860. He achieved notoriety for various reasons > in the 1830/1850 period. > > I am trying to find obituaries for him - he died in 1877 in north London. > So, I am looking for advice on which sporting (in general) or specific > turf-related newspapers/journals were published in the 1870s. To date I > have come across 'Baily's Magazine of Sports and Pastimes' which has > potential and have added this to my list to look at next time I visit the > British Library. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Jon > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    09/14/2011 07:46:13
    1. [SOG-UK] Horse trainers - mid-19th century - sources
    2. Good evening I am researching the life of a horse trainer who worked in the Herts/Beds area between 1820 and abt 1860. He achieved notoriety for various reasons in the 1830/1850 period. I am trying to find obituaries for him - he died in 1877 in north London. So, I am looking for advice on which sporting (in general) or specific turf-related newspapers/journals were published in the 1870s. To date I have come across 'Baily's Magazine of Sports and Pastimes' which has potential and have added this to my list to look at next time I visit the British Library. Thanks in advance for any help. Jon

    09/14/2011 06:34:44
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Genealogy on Macintosh Computers
    2. Tim Powys-Lybbe
    3. On 13 Sep at 21:56, Barry1936 <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Tim for your time & effort in trying to organise this event > and it would seem from the response that it will be well worthwhile. > However, I very happily use Family Historian on my Mac via a > simulation programme (VirtualBox but there are plenty of others) so > any Mac specific alternative would need to be superior. But I would > be interested in attending to find out what is available to match the > breadth and depth of Family Historian. If we can encourage enough > people in the same situation as myself to also attend, it may result > in a Mac version of Family Historian - now that would be a real bonus. Until then we have John Hanson doing sterling work on providing training on Historian. And I know it is possible to write programs somewhow so that versions are created to run in the same way on Windows mac and Unix (as I use one such for e-mail and usenet). Perhaps one day the various Genealogy software authors will migrate to that programming environment and deliver just what you want. > There is another Mac related application that does not seem to have > been mentioned: GedView. It runs brilliantly on iPads, iPods and > iPhones. Being GED file based it will import and export to any GED > based genealogy programme but, as many of you will know, not all GED > files are equal, some are more equal than others (with apologies to Mr > Orwell). That's a good idea. All I have used is Reunion for iPhone/iPod and it is now avaiable for the iPad. I'll be in touch. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

    09/13/2011 04:21:48
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Genealogy on Macintosh Computers
    2. Barry1936
    3. Thank you Tim for your time & effort in trying to organise this event and it would seem from the response that it will be well worthwhile. However, I very happily use Family Historian on my Mac via a simulation programme (VirtualBox but there are plenty of others) so any Mac specific alternative would need to be superior. But I would be interested in attending to find out what is available to match the breadth and depth of Family Historian. If we can encourage enough people in the same situation as myself to also attend, it may result in a Mac version of Family Historian - now that would be a real bonus. There is another Mac related application that does not seem to have been mentioned: GedView. It runs brilliantly on iPads, iPods and iPhones. Being GED file based it will import and export to any GED based genealogy programme but, as many of you will know, not all GED files are equal, some are more equal than others (with apologies to Mr Orwell). Barry Hepburn On 10 Sep 2011, at 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:11:24 +0100 > From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <[email protected]> > Subject: [SOG-UK] Genealogy on Macintosh Computers > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > With the increasing popularity of the Mac, the Society of Genealogists > is proposing to organise an event in London, England on the genealogy > programs for the Mac and I am coordinating this. > > We have several programs available: > iFamily > Gramps > MacFamilyTree > PAW2U > Reunion > and even Family Tree Maker (for Mac) > and there may be a few more (see > <http://www.macgenealogy.org/mac-genealogy-software/>). > > What I am thinking of is that we should first of all demonstrate as many > of these as possible. This needs people to do the demonstrating. I can > do Reunion but am not familiar with the others. Can anyone else who > uses any of these other programs please get in touch with me so that we > can explore the possibilities further. > > IN addition to this, we should provide time for workshops on the > different programs. The people attending would be able to ask questions > about using their program and the Expert would endeavour to answer > these, all in open session. We would need volunteers for the Expert > roles, so again please get in touch with me. > > Any comments on the content or viability of this proposal, please > discuss this right here. > > (Don't be surprised if you see this appeal for help on a few other > lists. But you saw it here first.) > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

    09/13/2011 03:56:33
    1. Re: [SOG-UK] Genealogy on Macintosh Computers
    2. Tim Powys-Lybbe
    3. On 13 Sep at 15:49, Mike Flaherty <[email protected]> wrote: > Tim, In your original note you referred to the following site so I'm > guessing that you have already seen their 2011 software review .... if > not .... > http://genealogy-software-review.toptenreviews.com/mac-genealogy-software/ > > I can not vouch for the "independence" of the above site/feature but > that said I have no reason to doubt it either, however, one wouldn't > be surprised if income was received from 'click through to buy > individual products'. > > For those that haven't seen it, the site appears to have done a decent > and comprehensive review with the Olympic ceremony being 1)Family > Tree, 2) Reunion 3) MacFamilyTree.... Given that the products outside > of these three reveal significant gaps in features and product support > without any cost benefit, the medalist are probably worthy of focus. The interesting thing here is the contrast between the reviewers verdict, placing FTM for Mac first, and this comment which is on the FTM for Mac message board on Rootsweb: "Do NOT buy the current (first) version of FTMM! Many of us have had serious problems with it." So I ask the question are the reviewers to be trusted? Or are they journalists first and genealogists second? I have much the same problem with most web comparison sites. > Perhaps the important point here is that there is a very detailed > review behind each product.... Also in these type of comparisons, > where products are all much of a muchness the important point is not > which one is rated top but picking the one that works for the > purchaser and continues to do so after they buy. So people might balk > at the cost of Reunion or be sold on it's exclusive MAC focus, > longevity, and being the top ranked support and that allegedly it is > the most used by MAC users (that comes from Reunion). > > I think Laurence Harris Who is Laurence Harris? He has not contributed to this thread on this SoG Mailing List. > makes an excellent point re Web based applications especially as at > the entry level they are free and allow people to put a toe in the > water (analogy - and good for those who typically join the gym on 2nd > January and go twice thereafter..... okay Laurence I'm teasing). I agree that web-based programs are an option and we should consider those. I wonder if they are better suited to a separate seminar for all computer systems on web-based genealogy programs. That way the Society would reach a wider audience and we would not have duplication of effort. > That said, collectively these sites have loads of users and MyHeritage > is one of many that can be listed and possibly demonstrated (as a > generic example) but not used in the package comparison exercise. > > Can you make the software providers work for you? Perhaps you should > take up Laurence's offer of help I have not read this offer on this list. If he is a MyHeritage man, then this is really for a different seminar on all web-based facilities, regardless of computer. > and he could organise a person to perform demonstrations. Additionally > you could invite representatives from the three software packages to > perform demonstrations for you (but set them the same demo exercise). > Visitors could then 'independently' verify the sales pitch with on the > ground SOG members who are familiar with each product and only have > their genius and bias to declare. Good point about getting the vendors in. TWR Computing used to be the principal vendor in this country, no Mac software support here that I am aware of. It is definitely on the list to go round the vendors at a later date. My first concern is to see what we can do in-house within SoG before moving abroad. TWR Computing only seem to offer two Mac programs: FTMM and Reunion. Loads of PC proggies, though! > Rosemary makes a very good point about running Windows on a MAC and > Family Tree Maker. If I were switching genealogy software, ease of > conversion would be my top question once I had arrived at the top > three packages. This is highlighted by Rosemary's experience and your > experience and comments re GEDCOM are invaluable. I still remember how I started. I got hold of demo copies of every program I could find and tried them all out to see what I liked. My favourite was an Australian program whose development had already ceased! But it enabled me to find what features I valued most. Different people do genealogy from different points of view. So what I would like to organise is a public showing of as many options as possible and then encourage people to make up their own minds on what they want. Might there be a minority program that will take on the world, the Mac world at least, in a few years time? > The sun is shining here in Lausanne, Switzerland, so it would be rude > not to take advantage of a local glass of something at the lake. What sun? What lake? We are jealous! > Cheers, > > PS. I have conflicting numbers for market share ..... it is really > number of users per package and it's not independent but the three > packages mentioned above appear to account for the lion share of MAC > users (allegedly) - web based usage aside. > > I wonder if Laurence knows where to get package and website market > share details or up to-date number of current active users (NOT visits > to website). I would be delighted to receive any marketing report you could get hold of. And many thanks for all your comments, they are very useful to the debate on what we should provide for the Mac users who are interested. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

    09/13/2011 02:39:07
    1. [SOG-UK] Publicising non SOG genealogical events
    2. Christopher M Richards
    3. Every now and again somebody puts a list of forthcoming genealogical events on this list. I have an event in mind but don't want to misuse the list: so please will the person who compiles list of events contact me off list so that a decision can be made about whether it can be included. Christopher Richards

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