Just click on the "Search by Publication" dropdown, it lists the titles and years covered. Colin Moretti On 29 November 2011 08:40, Michael Isherwood <[email protected]>wrote: > Just had a quick look at the site after the trailers on the Today program > > I wonder how much is added to what is available on the existing newspapers > on line from the British Library and Gale > > The Ipswich Journal and Bury and Norwich Post, for instance, are duplicated > but is seems both include early C20th which Gale doesn't. > > What I can't find is the list and date range of specific newspapers > digitised - anyone else found this? > > Michael > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just had a quick look at the site after the trailers on the Today program I wonder how much is added to what is available on the existing newspapers on line from the British Library and Gale The Ipswich Journal and Bury and Norwich Post, for instance, are duplicated but is seems both include early C20th which Gale doesn't. What I can't find is the list and date range of specific newspapers digitised - anyone else found this? Michael

Hi Else: Thanks for posting this - I've added a link to the Society's website from the Occupations page in GENUKI - http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Occupations.html Cheers Brian Randell On 26 Nov 2011, at 16:46, Else Churchill wrote: > As I live in Whitstable which has a rich history of diving I was especially > interesting to receive an email from Gary Wallace-Potter of The Historical > Diving Society . He tells me the HDS originally started compiling the Divers > Index, in 1997 as an occupation database of Divers, Divers Tenders, > Attendants and Linesmen, and Diving Related Trades. The Society's aim is 'to > promote an interest in, and the preservation of our diving heritage' and the > Index is symbolic of this by making it accessible to the public, in > particular family historians, and researchers. > > The original source of information for the Index was extracted from Census > Returns, C19th Newspapers and other historical documents, and therefore was > predominately of C19th people. > > However, with the Internet new documents are becoming accessible. Through > various exhibitions and events that the Historical Diving Society conduct > throughout the year they have expanded their source of names into the C20th. > This is an on-going project and the aim is eventually to create the Index > into an 'On-line searchable database', but presently all enquiries are dealt > with manual, via email contact from the Historical Diving Society web-site, > postal or direct contact. > > To date the Historical Divers Index comprises approximately 4900 names of > divers, divers tenders, attendants, linesmen, and diving related trades. > > If you have any inquiries about diving history please do pass your details > onto the Historical Diving Society who will be only too happy to help. > > The Historical Diving Society - Divers Index > > c/o 2 St. Lawrence Way > > Bricket Wood > > St. Albans, Hertfordshire > > AL2 3XN, UK > > Home Tel: 01923 - 400906 > > Email: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] > > Web: <http://www.thehds.com> www.thehds.com > > > > > > Else Churchill > > Genealogist > > Society of Genealogists > > 14 Charterhouse Buildings > > Goswell Road > > London EC1M 7BA > > direct phone 020 7702 5488 > > visit the Society of Genealogists' Website <http://www.sog.org.uk/> > www.sog.org.uk > > > > www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year > > > > WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? > >> From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our > dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 > > Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm > > The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions > with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. > Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or > library tour. > > > > This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the > addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute > the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. > > If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then > delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. > Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments > that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists > are neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > > Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered > No. 115703. Registered office as above > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Hello Please find below the details for the upcoming Archives for London Seminar, which may be of interest to members The History of the Christmas Card Get in the mood for the holiday season by coming along to December’s seminar when Anna Flood of the British Postal Museum and Archive will explore the custom of sending Christmas cards. Using images from the BMPA’s collections, Anna will highlight popular card themes and the way they were produced while revealing some of the reasons for sending them. Thursday 1 December 2011, 6:00pm (doors 5:30pm) - 7:30pm at London Metropolitan Archives - Huntley Room 40 Northampton Road, London EC1R 0HB Advance booking is essential. Please guarantee your place by contacting e: [email protected] t: 020 7332 3879 This seminar is free to all AfL members, non-members £2 (payable on the door). Bring your questions and news items. Refreshments available SEE www.archivesforlondon.org <http://www.archivesforlondon.org/> for details of all seminars, behind the scenes visits and joining AfL JOIN US on Twitter: www.twitter.com/archives4london -- Julie Makinson Archivist Archives, Manuscripts & Rare Books Division, School of Oriental & African Studies, Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square, London WC1H OXG (t) +44 (0)20 7898 4142 (f) +44 (0)20 7898 4189 (e) [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.sog.org.uk www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society’s library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

As I live in Whitstable which has a rich history of diving I was especially interesting to receive an email from Gary Wallace-Potter of The Historical Diving Society . He tells me the HDS originally started compiling the Divers Index, in 1997 as an occupation database of Divers, Divers Tenders, Attendants and Linesmen, and Diving Related Trades. The Society's aim is 'to promote an interest in, and the preservation of our diving heritage' and the Index is symbolic of this by making it accessible to the public, in particular family historians, and researchers. The original source of information for the Index was extracted from Census Returns, C19th Newspapers and other historical documents, and therefore was predominately of C19th people. However, with the Internet new documents are becoming accessible. Through various exhibitions and events that the Historical Diving Society conduct throughout the year they have expanded their source of names into the C20th. This is an on-going project and the aim is eventually to create the Index into an 'On-line searchable database', but presently all enquiries are dealt with manual, via email contact from the Historical Diving Society web-site, postal or direct contact. To date the Historical Divers Index comprises approximately 4900 names of divers, divers tenders, attendants, linesmen, and diving related trades. If you have any inquiries about diving history please do pass your details onto the Historical Diving Society who will be only too happy to help. The Historical Diving Society - Divers Index c/o 2 St. Lawrence Way Bricket Wood St. Albans, Hertfordshire AL2 3XN, UK Home Tel: 01923 - 400906 Email: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Web: <http://www.thehds.com> www.thehds.com Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.sog.org.uk www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

In the muster book for HMS Ocean in the column headed 'prest or not' the entry in 1776 for my gggg grandfather Charles Williams had, in that column, 'in lieu'. I would assume that meant that he took the place, perhaps for money, of someone who had been taken by the press gang. Would that be a correct assumption, or is there another explanation? John

Thanks to all. Glad I found the record, and now a better understanding David M -----Original Message----- From: Peter Goodey Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 9:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] St Mary Lambeth On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 07:33 +0000, David Martin wrote: > I apologise if I've missed something in my years of genealogical study, > but > there seem to be two separate and entirely different sets of baptism > records > for St Mary Lambeth covering the same period. I believe this set may be the register of baptisms at the General Lying-In Hospital, York Road, Lambeth 1794 -1813 microfilm number X038/012 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 07:33 +0000, David Martin wrote: > I apologise if I've missed something in my years of genealogical study, but > there seem to be two separate and entirely different sets of baptism records > for St Mary Lambeth covering the same period. I believe this set may be the register of baptisms at the General Lying-In Hospital, York Road, Lambeth 1794 -1813 microfilm number X038/012

David, There are several possible explanations. One is that George Gibson was a chaplain to a hospital or home or a chapel of ease which didn't have a separate baptism register. He kept a record of baptisms in a notebook for entry into the main register later.) I was baptised at the hospital where I was born but the baptism is in the register of the parish church with a note of where the baptism took place.) There are also surviving notebooks of clergy who noted the baptism details at the time of the ceremony for entry later in the baptism register by the Parish Clerk. Gerry On 20 Nov 2011, at 07:33, David Martin wrote: > I apologise if I've missed something in my years of genealogical study, but > there seem to be two separate and entirely different sets of baptism records > for St Mary Lambeth covering the same period. > > I've previously used one set at LMA on microfilm. These cover 1797-1812 and > can now be accessed online at Ancestry. However, at Ancestry there is a > second and separate set covering 1794-1813, and this is also available > online on the new FamilySearch site. This second set has many fewer > baptisms - which appear as 6-10 baptisms done on a single day every month or > so - none of which appear in the bigger first set. They are recorded by > George Gibson, Chaplain. > > On Ancestry, both sets seem to have come from LMA. > > It looks like, on about one day a month, a set of baptisms were done > separately, and recorded separately. Why? > Can anyone explain this? If this really is the same church/parish, why was > there a separate (and smaller) list of parish baptisms? > > Thanks > > David M > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David The key with Ancestry is to look at the Source Citation on the right hand side The set for 1794-1813 reads London Metropolitan Archives, General Lying-In Hospital, York Road, Lambeth, Register of baptisms Jan 1794 - Dec 1813, P85/MRY1, Item 378 Whilst the set of images for 1797-1812 reads London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary At Lambeth, Composite register: baptisms Oct 1797 - Dec 1812, baptisms at Stockwell Chapel Jan 1798 - Dec 1812, baptisms at the Workhouse Jan - Apr 1804, Sep - Dec 1812, burials Oct 1797 - Dec 1812, P85/MRY1, Item 349 So they are clearly two different places and I would not expect to find an entry in both. To better understand the relationship between the sets you could contact the LMA themselves - the details are on their website Regards John Hanson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Martin Sent: 20 November 2011 07:33 To: [email protected] Subject: [SOG-UK] St Mary Lambeth I apologise if I've missed something in my years of genealogical study, but there seem to be two separate and entirely different sets of baptism records for St Mary Lambeth covering the same period. I've previously used one set at LMA on microfilm. These cover 1797-1812 and can now be accessed online at Ancestry. However, at Ancestry there is a second and separate set covering 1794-1813, and this is also available online on the new FamilySearch site. This second set has many fewer baptisms - which appear as 6-10 baptisms done on a single day every month or so - none of which appear in the bigger first set. They are recorded by George Gibson, Chaplain. On Ancestry, both sets seem to have come from LMA. It looks like, on about one day a month, a set of baptisms were done separately, and recorded separately. Why? Can anyone explain this? If this really is the same church/parish, why was there a separate (and smaller) list of parish baptisms? Thanks David M ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I apologise if I've missed something in my years of genealogical study, but there seem to be two separate and entirely different sets of baptism records for St Mary Lambeth covering the same period. I've previously used one set at LMA on microfilm. These cover 1797-1812 and can now be accessed online at Ancestry. However, at Ancestry there is a second and separate set covering 1794-1813, and this is also available online on the new FamilySearch site. This second set has many fewer baptisms - which appear as 6-10 baptisms done on a single day every month or so - none of which appear in the bigger first set. They are recorded by George Gibson, Chaplain. On Ancestry, both sets seem to have come from LMA. It looks like, on about one day a month, a set of baptisms were done separately, and recorded separately. Why? Can anyone explain this? If this really is the same church/parish, why was there a separate (and smaller) list of parish baptisms? Thanks David M

History and genealogy participants needed for paid usability research study (Tue 22 Nov and Thu 24 Nov) The SoG has been asked to pass on this call for anyone interested in history and genealogy to act as participants for a web usability study. The study take place in central London on Tuesday the 22nd and in central Manchester on Thursday 24th November. The SoG can't disclose full details of the research but we can assure you that it's bona fide. The study will be exploring an online service for searching an extensive collection of records held across a range of archives. People often find taking part in such usability studies interesting and rewarding. By taking part in this study you will not only get a chance to explore a developing online search facility, but will be able to actively help improve the service for researchers like yourself. You don't need to be an experienced researcher to take part and if you know anyone else who might be interested please pass the message on. The session will last for one hour and there will be a cash incentive for taking part. If you are interested, please answer a few questions about yourself here: http://www.surveymk.com/s/5KRGLXL For more information about the study, please contact Dr Andrea Fallas, [email protected] For more information about the organisation carrying out the research, please visit www.cogapp.com <http://www.cogapp.com/> Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.sog.org.uk www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

Hi All Would anyone knoe how I can obtain a copy of a will from the "Bank of England Wills Extracts"? Regards Paul

On 23 Oct at 6:41, Jeanne Bunting <[email protected]> wrote: > Tim, > > > > > Ban The Microfiche!<< > > We do have to remember that there are people who do not have, or even > want, a computer! Agreed. But when it is a choice between paying £20 for a trip to London, including marmalade sandwiches, and merely struggling over to the local library which just happens to be beside our local supermarket, I go for the computer every time! > However, the basis of your proposal for a commercial online database > makes perfect sense. Maybe you should prepare a formal proposal and > ask the Society to put it before the appropriate User > Group/Panel/Liaison Committee on which it is represented. Good, delighted to hear I have made sense to someone. While the Society's voice must be one that thunders in the genealogical universe, I would reckon it would be worth while canvassing a few other societies to join in before approaching the "appropriate User Group/Panel/Liaison Committee". I will see where I can get to with our local FHS first. And I will get to work shaping a formal proposal. Perhaps it would be a good idea to float this here to see if there are any comments the select few of this mailing list would care to make. Mt first concern is precisely what format is available at the seven repositories that are said to hold the complete index up to 2009 plus previsional indexes up to June 2011. Neither the GRO not the Westminster City Archives are clear on this. I might go up this week to find out for myself, but does anyone know for certain what they provide for 2006 onwards? (The Bridgend site clearly says it is all microfiche.) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

Tim, > >>Ban The Microfiche!<< We do have to remember that there are people who do not have, or even want, a computer! However, the basis of your proposal for a commercial online database makes perfect sense. Maybe you should prepare a formal proposal and ask the Society to put it before the appropriate User Group/Panel/Liaison Committee on which it is represented. Jeanne Bunting nee Attersley

On 22 Oct at 0:42, J K gen <[email protected]> wrote: > No you haven't misunderstood at all. Remember Dove? That has been > shelved because of cost, and - perhaps more importantly - > responsibility for GRO was taken from ONS and passed on to the > Identity and Passport Service. > > They decided that their in-house computer system would remain - > there's a very efficient computer system in place at Hydro to produce > certs for the public - but the public-use end of the computerisation > program would cease - for the time being. They said because of funding > issues. > > Labour brought in "transparency" encouraging public access to more > "stuff", unfortunately funds were always going to be an issue, it was > probably not costed properly in the first place. Now looking at the > Treasury's books, the current government have discovered greater holes > in funds practically everywhere. > > So no money for Dove, even if, in the long term, it would be > considerably more cost-efficient. In the short term funds won't be > found, or perhaps even looked for. Bit I am not asking for Dove. I am only asking that the data for birth, marriage and deaths after 2005, which seems definitely to be already on computer databases, should be released now in electronic form. There is virtually no need for any extract program to be written and in any case the commercial operators might well pay the modest fee for whatever programming cost that there was. All that we need is that the data that currently goes into microfiche production is also released for database production for the commercial operators. Low functionality, low cost and a massive benefit to everyone whose only access to the indexes is through the ridiculously primitive and expensive-to-get-to technology of microfiche. Ban The Microfiche! -- Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

On 22 Oct at 18:05, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > <<snipped>> I know that the project to computerise and deliver all > registered data has run out of money and stalled, but there cannot be > major expense required to provide access to the recent registrations. > <<snipped>> > > Alas, Tim, there would be a considerable amount of effort required to > provide access to the recent registrations in their current database. > > While the database is there, that's just a tiny part of the costings. > A big effort could be inserting a security system. The current system > will be basically driven from a simple question - "Are you allowed to > access the system, yes or no?" because my guess would be that any GRO > staff at Southport can access any certificate. Once you're in, you're > in and you stay in. Else the job couldn't be done. Whereas security > for a online access by the rest of us is a different ball-game. Full > access to the indices for the public (actually - not sure that's true > - adoption stuff would surely be sealed off) but then access to > certificate details restricted to the one you've paid for. > > Another aspect is that the current Southport system will be office > hours only, allowing all weekends and nights for database back-ups, > reindexing, etc, etc. A commercially available system would need to be > 24x7 for world-wide access. > > In the end, the simplest thing (designing the system on the back of a > fag-packet) would be to replicate an extract of the data from the > Southport system into a dedicated online access database and > application - at which point you're only using the analysis. It's not > a start from base-zero, but it's not extensively helpful either. But this last is precisely all that anyone would ask me. No-one, unless they were mad, would expect the general public to have direct access to any master database. All that is needed is just s bog-ordinary enquiry system, as in sales enquiries, where the process starts with a copy of the relevant data on the master dabase. They must surely have such a program now to copy the to-be-released data on microfiche. Just take a copy of that data and offer it to the odd commercial outfit for a modest fee. > All the above is just gut feeling from me - but it does occur to me > that maybe ScotlandsPeople works because it isn't the live GROS > system, while DOVE etc failed because the costs of the dual purpose of > live GRO and genealogical access became too much. How much of that > costing was due to the duality? I don't know but it seems to me that > it's got to be an element. All we need is easy access to the same data that goes to the microfiche production system. This is not recreating the DOVE project as, if I understood it right, that got fouled up with the cost of transcribing the original records. The point I am making is that public access to the already 'public' data is ridiculously expensive and complicated for anyone who does not live on the doorstep of any of these repositories. The Civil Service could deliver that data to us almost certainly at no cost as the commercial operators would be delighted to do whatever is necessary to the data that goes into the current fiche production. Or is someone seriously suggesting that FreeBMD borrows a set of those fiche and transcribes them onto their indices? Indeed this is possible but it is a massive duplication of effort. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe [email protected] for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

<<snipped>> I know that the project to computerise and deliver all registered data has run out of money and stalled, but there cannot be major expense required to provide access to the recent registrations. <<snipped>> Alas, Tim, there would be a considerable amount of effort required to provide access to the recent registrations in their current database. While the database is there, that's just a tiny part of the costings. A big effort could be inserting a security system. The current system will be basically driven from a simple question - "Are you allowed to access the system, yes or no?" because my guess would be that any GRO staff at Southport can access any certificate. Once you're in, you're in and you stay in. Else the job couldn't be done. Whereas security for a online access by the rest of us is a different ball-game. Full access to the indices for the public (actually - not sure that's true - adoption stuff would surely be sealed off) but then access to certificate details restricted to the one you've paid for. Another aspect is that the current Southport system will be office hours only, allowing all weekends and nights for database back-ups, reindexing, etc, etc. A commercially available system would need to be 24x7 for world-wide access. In the end, the simplest thing (designing the system on the back of a fag-packet) would be to replicate an extract of the data from the Southport system into a dedicated online access database and application - at which point you're only using the analysis. It's not a start from base-zero, but it's not extensively helpful either. All the above is just gut feeling from me - but it does occur to me that maybe ScotlandsPeople works because it isn't the live GROS system, while DOVE etc failed because the costs of the dual purpose of live GRO and genealogical access became too much. How much of that costing was due to the duality? I don't know but it seems to me that it's got to be an element. Adrian B

I may well have misremembered, but I thought the GRO, or their masters, had made a positive decision *not* to allow the use of the latest indexes by commercial companies. Having given up on their own digitisation projects, reversing this decision would seem to make perfect financial sense. Given the state of Government finances, I can't believe that the decision to maintain the original position would have been made by 'bean-counters' but is more likely to be an ill-judged attempt to restrict access to the indexes in pursuit of supposed 'data protection' and 'privacy' objectives. John Brown Leic., Eng ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Changes to GRO fiche index locations - Newcastlereplaces LMA > On 21 Oct at 21:39, J K gen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> As I understand it the fiche production is a requirement for the >> newest events, none of which form part of an online database. Whether >> it should be is another question. > > And this other question is one that we should address. > > I am sure that at Middleton Street we were able to access the post 1984 > indices on a computer, effectively on-line. This made for fast and > effective searches and certainly the online database for 1984 to 2005/6 > is very effective. > > The last time I registered anything, I believe it had to be done at a > computer terminal and the data was held on a database and only printed > if required. The master copy is no longer on paper. > > Assuming that registrations are still computer entered (by the > registrars), the data for recent events, 2006 to 2011, must be on some > database. It does not make any sense to then go for physical copies to > fiche. > > What maggot is in the brain of the government bean-counters that forbids > them to allow us online access to data that is already on line? Is this > not something that all the genealogical societies should get together on > and have a big campaign on? > > I know that the project to computerise and deliver all registered data > has run out of money and stalled, but there cannot be major expense > required to provide access to the recent registrations. I can believe > that many commercial outfits would be delighted to provide an on-line > system to give index information for the price of adding a few adverts. > It might even be that the FreeBMD gurus would do a better job for almost > nothing. > > Or have I sadly misunderstood something? > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe

Hi, Just as a guide to production of Fiche. It costs up to £2.50 to prepare the master of a set of Documents for microfiching. Prints then cost around 40/50p depending on quantity ordered. It can be less if you order enough. Regards Gerry Langley NDFHS