----- Original Message ----- From: "Else Churchill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:48 PM Subject: [SOG-UK] GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number <<News just in ... Identity and Passport Service has warned people ordering birth, death and marriage certificates not to be fooled into paying more through unofficial websites ... The Advertising Standards Authority has now upheld three separate complaints from the Registrar General about third party websites misleading customers into believing that they were ordering from the government's own website.>> Certainly seems welcome news, although at least two of the instances appear to date right back to last November: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-centre/press-releases/unofficial-certificate-websites

I am surprised that Ancestry has not been warned about the exorbitant prices they charge for certificates. Jeanne Bunting nee Attersley Sent from my iPhone4 On 11 Feb 2012, at 14:48, "Else Churchill" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > News just in from the Identity and Passport Service, the Government Agency > which is responsible for the General Register Office, reports that the > Advertising Standards Authority has taken action against third party > certificate websites > > Identity and Passport Service has warned people ordering birth, death and > marriage certificates not to be fooled into paying more through unofficial > websites. > > The Advertising Standards Authority has now upheld three separate complaints > from the Registrar General about third party websites misleading customers > into believing that they were ordering from the government’s own website. > > The authority warned ‘UK Official Services’, ‘UK GRO Certificates’ and > ‘Vital Certificates’ that they were in breach of the Committee of > Advertising Practice code and that they must stop appearing or implying that > they are the General Register Office. > > Customers applying for replacement birth certificates can be charged up to > £74.99 for an unofficial ‘express’ online service. > > The same express service is £23.40 via the official IPS certificate ordering > website through Directgov > > www.direct.gov.uk/gro. The standard certificate service is available for > even less - £9.25. > > Welcoming the news, IPS Chief Executive and Registrar General Sarah Rapson, > said: > > ‘The Advertising Standards Authority has sent a very clear message to > customers and those companies that mislead them: there is just one official > online certificate ordering service for England and Wales. > > ‘It is always quicker, cheaper and safer to deal directly with the General > Register Office for certificate orders. > > ‘While other outlets can be found online, there is no reason to pay over the > odds and I would urge customers to look at the official site first before > ordering anywhere else.’ > > New number for certificate ordering > > IPS has adopted a 0300 prefix for its GRO certificates enquiry number. The > prefix 0300 replaces the 0845 prefix used in the previous number. > >> From 5 January 2012 IPS stopped publishing the 0845 603 7788 number for > members of the public who wish to make an enquiry about, or place an order > for, certificates. Customers who previously contacted IPS via the 0845 > number are now being asked to use 0300 123 1837. This is a particularly > memorable number as civil registration was introduced in England and Wales > in the year 1837. > > 0300 numbers are exclusively reserved for charities and the public sector > and for the majority of customers the cost of calling us will be reduced. > Calls made to 0300 numbers from landlines and mobile phones are charged to > customers at their network provider's national rate and also form part of > the inclusive minutes within the customer's call package in the same way as > calls to geographical numbers. > > > > > > Else Churchill > > Genealogist > > Society of Genealogists > > 14 Charterhouse Buildings > > Goswell Road > > London EC1M 7BA > > direct phone 020 7702 5488 > > visit the Society of Genealogists' Website www.sog.org.uk > <http://www.sog.org.uk/> > > > > www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year > > > > WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? > >> From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our > dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 > > Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm > > The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions > with experts at the Society’s library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. > Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or > library tour. > > > > This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the > addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute > the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. > > If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then > delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. > Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments > that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists > are neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > > Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered > No. 115703. Registered office as above > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

News just in from the Identity and Passport Service, the Government Agency which is responsible for the General Register Office, reports that the Advertising Standards Authority has taken action against third party certificate websites Identity and Passport Service has warned people ordering birth, death and marriage certificates not to be fooled into paying more through unofficial websites. The Advertising Standards Authority has now upheld three separate complaints from the Registrar General about third party websites misleading customers into believing that they were ordering from the government’s own website. The authority warned ‘UK Official Services’, ‘UK GRO Certificates’ and ‘Vital Certificates’ that they were in breach of the Committee of Advertising Practice code and that they must stop appearing or implying that they are the General Register Office. Customers applying for replacement birth certificates can be charged up to £74.99 for an unofficial ‘express’ online service. The same express service is £23.40 via the official IPS certificate ordering website through Directgov www.direct.gov.uk/gro. The standard certificate service is available for even less - £9.25. Welcoming the news, IPS Chief Executive and Registrar General Sarah Rapson, said: ‘The Advertising Standards Authority has sent a very clear message to customers and those companies that mislead them: there is just one official online certificate ordering service for England and Wales. ‘It is always quicker, cheaper and safer to deal directly with the General Register Office for certificate orders. ‘While other outlets can be found online, there is no reason to pay over the odds and I would urge customers to look at the official site first before ordering anywhere else.’ New number for certificate ordering IPS has adopted a 0300 prefix for its GRO certificates enquiry number. The prefix 0300 replaces the 0845 prefix used in the previous number. >From 5 January 2012 IPS stopped publishing the 0845 603 7788 number for members of the public who wish to make an enquiry about, or place an order for, certificates. Customers who previously contacted IPS via the 0845 number are now being asked to use 0300 123 1837. This is a particularly memorable number as civil registration was introduced in England and Wales in the year 1837. 0300 numbers are exclusively reserved for charities and the public sector and for the majority of customers the cost of calling us will be reduced. Calls made to 0300 numbers from landlines and mobile phones are charged to customers at their network provider's national rate and also form part of the inclusive minutes within the customer's call package in the same way as calls to geographical numbers. Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website www.sog.org.uk <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society’s library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

Thanks Blair - the Champs Elysees bit just sounded so unlikely. And thanks to John for the book ref. I've now downloaded both volumes to my Kindle for later enjoyment. Regards to all, Irene

Else, I am the current president of the International Society for British Genealogy and Family History (ISBGFH), headquartered in Westminster, Colorado. I would like permission to reprint this e-mail in our quarterly journal. I think the information is very important to share with others who may not be aware there is an "official" source for vital records.  Thank you in advance, Ann L. Wells ISBGFH, President   Ann L. Wells Wells Research Associates Crystal Lake, IL   http://wellsresearch.net     ________________________________ From: Else Churchill <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: [SOG-UK] GRO Certificates news-clampdown on unofficial certificates sites and new telephone order number

Irene A good result. The regimental history repeats the story of the march down the Champs Élysées so you an have confidence in that piece of information too. Their marches around England we in aid of the Civil Power, helping to quell unrest and riots, I think the Chartist Riots but haven't checked dates. Then as you know off to Ireland and then Canada. Best regards Blair On 11 Feb 2012, at 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler (Irene Marlborough) > 2. Re: Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler (Peter Goodey) > 3. Re: Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler (Mike flaherty) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:53:08 -0600 > From: "Irene Marlborough" <[email protected]> > Subject: [SOG-UK] Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello All but especially Chris & Blair: > > My hired researcher has concluded his work at TNA and now I have full details of the military career of Joseph BOY / BYE / BUY. There's nothing that Chris didn't already find but now I have photos of the documents which allows me to glean a few extra details. > > So Joseph was born in Wantage, Berkshire on 16 Oct 1786 and baptised 6 months later. He enlisted at Newbury in 1804. He served in the Peninsula War arriving home (Chatham) in 1814 but leaving almost immediately for Flanders. He fought at the Battle of Waterloo and afterwards was in Paris on the Champs Elysees! At least that's what the muster roll says. > > He stayed in France mostly at Therouanne and a camp near St Omar until late 1818 when the regiment returned to England. Joseph was stationed at Chester which must be where he met his bride Elizabeth ANDREW(S). In early 1819 he is at Weedon Barracks in Northamptonshire. I'm not sure how this works out but he is accounted for at Weedon every day of the quarter ending 24 Jun 1819 even though I know he was in Chester getting married on Jun 21. > > Later that year the regiment moves to Lichfield and by the 2nd quarter of 1820, they are at Hull until leaving for Dublin in the spring of 1821. Here I was delighted to find out that he certainly could be the father of Ann BOY baptised in October 1821. Joseph was noted as being on furlough from 25 Nov 1820 until 5 Jan 1821. That was a relief because I was beginning to think that he'd had no opportunity to father this child. > > The regiment stayed in Ireland until the spring of 1823 and then left for New Brunswick. Joseph died at Miramichi, NB on 20 May 1826. The casualty return just says that he died. Most likely would be of some illness. I'm thinking that even an accidental death would be noted as such and killed in action would definitely be stated. > > The fiche copy of his enlistment details is difficult to read but says that his term was unlimited. I suppose this is a euphemism for a life sentence. Was it possible for such lifetime soldiers to get a discharge? Perhaps for family reasons, sickness, disability etc. > > Anyway, I just thought I'd let you all know how things had gone. I'm busy reading about all the places where the regiment spent time. > > If anyone is interested seeing any of the images, just let me know off-list. > > Thanks to all, > Irene > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:18:21 +0000 > From: Peter Goodey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 08:53 -0600, Irene Marlborough wrote: >> Was it possible for such lifetime soldiers to get a discharge? > > Unfit for further service would be a typical reason. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:57:25 +0100 > From: Mike flaherty <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Joseph BOY - drummer & bugler > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Great to watch your progress with Joseph who has captured the imagination (& affection) of many on this list. > Thank you for the update - a good romp! > Best regards > > Sent from my iPad >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SOG-UK list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SOG-UK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SOG-UK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 21 > *************************************

Great to watch your progress with Joseph who has captured the imagination (& affection) of many on this list. Thank you for the update - a good romp! Best regards Sent from my iPad >

On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 08:53 -0600, Irene Marlborough wrote: > Was it possible for such lifetime soldiers to get a discharge? Unfit for further service would be a typical reason.

Hello All but especially Chris & Blair: My hired researcher has concluded his work at TNA and now I have full details of the military career of Joseph BOY / BYE / BUY. There's nothing that Chris didn't already find but now I have photos of the documents which allows me to glean a few extra details. So Joseph was born in Wantage, Berkshire on 16 Oct 1786 and baptised 6 months later. He enlisted at Newbury in 1804. He served in the Peninsula War arriving home (Chatham) in 1814 but leaving almost immediately for Flanders. He fought at the Battle of Waterloo and afterwards was in Paris on the Champs Elysees! At least that's what the muster roll says. He stayed in France mostly at Therouanne and a camp near St Omar until late 1818 when the regiment returned to England. Joseph was stationed at Chester which must be where he met his bride Elizabeth ANDREW(S). In early 1819 he is at Weedon Barracks in Northamptonshire. I'm not sure how this works out but he is accounted for at Weedon every day of the quarter ending 24 Jun 1819 even though I know he was in Chester getting married on Jun 21. Later that year the regiment moves to Lichfield and by the 2nd quarter of 1820, they are at Hull until leaving for Dublin in the spring of 1821. Here I was delighted to find out that he certainly could be the father of Ann BOY baptised in October 1821. Joseph was noted as being on furlough from 25 Nov 1820 until 5 Jan 1821. That was a relief because I was beginning to think that he'd had no opportunity to father this child. The regiment stayed in Ireland until the spring of 1823 and then left for New Brunswick. Joseph died at Miramichi, NB on 20 May 1826. The casualty return just says that he died. Most likely would be of some illness. I'm thinking that even an accidental death would be noted as such and killed in action would definitely be stated. The fiche copy of his enlistment details is difficult to read but says that his term was unlimited. I suppose this is a euphemism for a life sentence. Was it possible for such lifetime soldiers to get a discharge? Perhaps for family reasons, sickness, disability etc. Anyway, I just thought I'd let you all know how things had gone. I'm busy reading about all the places where the regiment spent time. If anyone is interested seeing any of the images, just let me know off-list. Thanks to all, Irene

Thank you Caroline. I didn't know the Golden Grove was available on the internet. However, in this case it doesn't take me very much further forward. The page showing Cadifor, his son Bledri and grandson, Ifor (http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/large/item/GTJ08754/) refers you on to page 34 (http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/large/item/GTJ08787) for Ifor. Unfortunately only one son is listed for him and his descendants do not correspond to the names I have. Intriguingly, however, the 4th entry on the page appears to refer to the Lord of Gwerntllwg (?) and gives a location of Troedrar. The latter must certainly be Troed-yr-aur, where my ancestor John Enoch came from. And Gwerntllwg is pretty certainly Wernlogws. John Enoch's grandfather was Dafydd Hywel, described as the bard of Wernlogws. Apparently, in Welsh, Wernlogws becomes Gwernlogws in some grammatical contexts. So has anybody got any ideas on how to take this further? -- Dr Peter Borrows Amersham, Bucks.

Peter, The Golden Grove book of pedigrees may have been the source. You can read it online at: http://goo.gl/K6KGX. This page shows Cadifor, his son Bledri and grandson, Ifor: http://goo.gl/6oxgo. Note what is said about the accuracy of the pedigrees. Caroline Gurney www.carosfamily.com

My great x 4-grandfather is Captain John Enoch (1756 ­ 1833). (Captain distinguishes him from his son, Colonel John Enoch) I found a reference to him in a book in Welsh, Enwogion Ceredigion (Great Men of Cardigan) by Benjamin Williams, 1869. The translation reads: > > John Enoch was born in Troed yr Aur. He was a son of Enoch Hywel who was the > son of Dafydd Hywel, the bard of Wernlogws, this family being true descendents > of Cadifor Fawr, Lord of Blaencych. The lineage runs as follows: John son of > Enoch son of Dafydd son of Hywel son of Hywel son of Einion son of Dafydd son > of Hywel son of Ieuan son of Dafydd son of Gruffydd son of Rhys son of > Llywelyn son of Ifor son of Llywelyn son of Ifor son of Llywelyn son of Ifor > son of Bledri son of Cadifor Fawr. Gwernlogws is in the midst of the old > manor/court of Cadifor Fawr; some 70 years ago it was in the possession of > Howell Davies, an uncle of John Enoch. It was a remnant of the old Cadifor > estate which remained in the family until the time of Howell Davies, who sold > it. John Enoch joined the Ceredigion militia when he was quite young. He > came in time to be a Captain and their chief paymaster. Physically, he was > tall, strong, handsome and cheerful; and his behaviour was gentlemanly, > pleasant and good natured. He was well respected and none of the local gentry > would see their children join the army without first consulting with Mr Enoch. > He died on 10th February, 1833 aged 74. He resided in Aberathan Fach, which > he bought and extended. Mr John Thomas of Crymnant is his grandson. The Rev. > D Silvan Evans, B.D. is his first cousin. > My question is how would Benjamin Williams have obtained this pedigree of some 20 generations? Was it published somewhere? How reliable is it likely to be? Can I add 20 generations to my family tree? And does anybody know where Wernlogws is? -- Dr Peter Borrows Amersham, Bucks. You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on (George W. Bush)

The Society of Genealogists has received the following statement from ONS Dear Census User Please see the statement below in regard to a 'scam' email. Please can you ensure that all your 'customer- facing' staff and systems are aware of this issue. The statement will be added to the ONS web site very shortly, and ONS would greatly appreciate your assistance in circulating this to as many people as possible. ___________________________________________________________________ Statement from Director of the 2011 Census, Glen Watson, Friday 27 January 2012. Email Scam We are aware that an email entitled 'Population Census: a message to everyone - act now' is being circulated, allegedly in the name of National Statistician, Jil Matheson. This email demands individuals provide further personal information, supposedly for the Census and threatens fines for non-compliance. This email is a scam and a hoax. It has no connection whatsoever with the National Statistician, the 2011 Census or the Office for National Statistics. We believe the links in the email could download malware to any computer where the user clicks on the links. This could put your personal data, including financial information, at risk. Anyone receiving this, or similar emails, should delete them, not open any links and certainly not provide any information. For more information on how to protect yourself from this type of threat, please see www.getsafeonline.org If you wish to, please report receipt of any such suspicious emails to www.actionfraud.org.uk ONS takes the protection of personal census information extremely seriously. Collection of census data was completed last year and no further requests will be forthcoming from the Office for National Statistics relating to the 2011 Census. ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Glen Watson Director. 2011 Census 2011 Census homepage :- http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/2011/index.html 2011 Census News and Events http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/2011/the-2011-census/news-and- events/index.html If your colleagues wish to receive our CensusNewsAlert, all they need to do is send us a message with 'SUBSCRIBE' as the subject\title. If you no longer wish to receive our CensusNewsAlert, please reply to this message with 'UNSUBSCRIBE' as the subject\title. If you have any other comments regarding our CensusNewsAlert, then please contact us (details below). ________________________________ CensusNewsAlert Office for National Statistics (ONS) 01329 444972 (Phone) 01633 652981 (Fax) 01329 444517 (Minicom) [email protected] Room 4300S, ONS, Segensworth Road, Titchfield, Hampshire, PO15 5RR Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.sog.org.uk www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

The SoG has received the following press release FINDMYPAST.CO.UK TO PUBLISH CANTERBURY CATHEDRAL RECORDS ON THE WEB o Project announced to increase access to over a million baptism, marriage and burial records dating back to 1538 o First time that images of the original parish records from East Kent churches will appear online Today leading UK family history website findmypast.co.uk has announced that it has been awarded a contract by Canterbury Cathedral Archives to publish online for the very first time historic records from the archive. The first phase of the Canterbury Collection project will see a browsable version of the parish registers of the historic Archdeaconry of Canterbury go online in the coming weeks at findmypast.co.uk. An estimated 270,000 images containing over a million entries will be published on the website, covering parish churches from a wide expanse of East Kent, including: o the city of Canterbury o the towns of Faversham, Wye and Elham o Thanet o towns along the east Kent coast stretching from Whitstable in the north round to Hythe in the south The launch has been timed to coincide with the temporary closure of Canterbury Cathedral Archives for refurbishment, so that family historians and local historians can continue to enjoy access to these fascinating records until the Archives reopens in autumn 2012. >From the initial online launch in February, visitors to the findmypast.co.uk website will be able to browse through the scanned pages of the parish records to search for their ancestors. At the same time, findmypast.co.uk will start to transcribe the records, with a view to creating an index and making them fully searchable on the website later this year. Paul Nixon, Content Licensing Manager for findmypast.co.uk, said: "We're really looking forward to seeing these invaluable records from Canterbury Cathedral Archives go live on findmypast.co.uk, strengthening the site's position as the natural home for UK parish records." Canterbury Cathedral Archivist Cressida Williams, added: "Working with findmypast has provided us with a wonderful opportunity to expand access to these records to a worldwide audience. This resource will be a great asset for anyone with an interest in the history of this part of Kent." The Canterbury Collection will join an impressive array of UK parish records at findmypast.co.uk, including records from Manchester Archives, Cheshire Archives, Plymouth & West Devon Record Office and Welsh Archives, in addition to over 40 million parish records from family history societies throughout the UK in partnership with the Federation of Family History Societies. Anyone wishing to be notified when the Canterbury Collection becomes available can register online at findmypast.co.uk to receive a newsletter. About Canterbury Cathedral Archives Canterbury Cathedral Archives collects, cares for, and provides access to, records relating to Canterbury Cathedral, the City of Canterbury, parishes in the historic Archdeaconry of Canterbury, and other local institutions and families. The Archives closes on 31st January for refurbishment work, due to reopen in Autumn 2012. Findmypast.co.uk is working with the Cathedral Archives on 'the Canterbury Collection', made up of registers of parishes in the historic Archdeaconry of Canterbury. Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.sog.org.uk www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

Some longstanding SoG members, volunteers and staff my remember Alan Dell who was a stalwart volunteer at the SoG for many years and also President of Bucks FHS We have received the following notice from Derek Ayshford his executor. This notice will appear in the Bucks Herald on Wednesday DELL, Alan John, FSG. Born 9th December, 1926; died peacefully on 19th January, 2012. Funeral service on Thursday 9th February at the Church of St Mary's the Virgin, Stoke Mandeville, Bucks. at 11am. Family flowers only; donations to The Society of Genealogists, c/o Heritage and Sons, Funeral Directors, 167 Bicester Road, Aylesbury HP19 9BA. I would very much appreciate it if you could circulate this information to any others that I am sure to have missed.. It would be most helpful to the family if you could let me know if it is possible that you might be able to attend. Thank you Derek [email protected] I hope to be able to attend. Else Churchill Genealogist Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA direct phone 020 7702 5488 visit the Society of Genealogists' Website www.sog.org.uk <http://www.sog.org.uk/> www.Findmypast.co.uk proud to sponsor the Society's centenary year WOULD YOU LIKE ADVICE ON YOUR FAMILY HISTORY? >From beginners onwards: all queries and problems welcomed. Phone our dedicated family history advice line on 020 7490 8911 Thursdays 6pm - 7.45 pm; Saturdays 11 am - 1pm and 2pm - 4 pm The Society also runs regular one-to-one advice half hour advice sessions with experts at the Society's library on alternate Saturdays from 2pm. Telephone the library direct on 020 7702 5485 to book an advice session or library tour. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of The Society of Genealogists are neither given nor endorsed by it. Registered Charity No. 233701. Company limited by guarantee. Registered No. 115703. Registered office as above

Has anyone used the AA time machine app - and what's your experience? To expand ... Spotted in the Sunday Times App List for iPhone/iPad under 'Reference' the "AA Time Machine" app. The blurb says you can download Ordnance Survey maps for 1816, 1897, 1919 and 1940. The charging structure seems a bit pricey - starts at 4 tiles (a tile = approx. 4 square miles) for £1.99. As the majority of my ancestors are located in a relatively small area of Southwark in the early, mid 19th Century, it just might be worth it. If I proceed, I would be using the app on an iPad. Regards Mike Flaherty [email protected]

> From: Mike Flaherty > Sent: 25 January 2012 11:37 > > Has anyone used the AA time machine app - and what's your > experience? <snip> > The blurb says you can download Ordnance Survey maps for 1816, > 1897, 1919 and 1940. The 1940s ones are available for free at http://www.npemap.org.uk/ These and many of the earlier ones can be viewed for free at http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/, though in a less easy to navigate format. So what does the app offer that that can't be download for free from the web? Andrew -- Andrew Millard - [email protected] Bodimeade genealogy:   http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My family history:     http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/ GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/

Thanks for that, Andrew. Another item for my "to do" list when I next visit London. George -------Original Message------- From: MILLARD A.R. Date: 01/23/12 20:37:06 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] German Records > From: George Bush > Sent: 23 January 2012 11:25 > > Just one final question, if I may; how do I go about obtaining a copy of the > licence for Helen's second marriage? The licence could have been issued by (a) the diocese of London, (b) the archdiocese of Canterbury, (c) the Superintendent Registrar for the district or (d) the Registrar General. The latter are very unusual. The diocesan records are at the London Metropolitan Archives, and as far as I know they are not indexed for this period, but the date should help locate the licence allegation you want. The archdiocesan ones are at Lambeth Palace Library, and there is a calendar there up to 1913, so locating a licence allegation (if it is there) should be straightforward. I've no idea whether Superintendent Registrars keep records of licences for any period of time. You could try contacting the successor district to Paddington, which is Westminster (contact details: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/regoff html#258) http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/marrlic.htm contains some useful information on church licences, but is getting out of date and you should assume anything stated to be at the Guildhall Library is now at LMA. Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - [email protected] Bodimeade genealogy: http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My family history: http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/ GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If one is no longer married, whether as a result of death, divorce or annulment, isn't one 'single'? Other terms such as widow(er), divorcee merely explain the single status. if the marriage certificate had said 'spinster' that would clearly have been wrong. John On 23/01/2012 8:46 PM, Chris Watts wrote: > If her marriage had been annuled would she descibe herself as Mrs > Winterfeldt? Or have I got the individuals mixed up? > > Chris Watts > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caroline Gurney"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] German Records > > >> George, >> >> The Times for Friday 6 November 1906, page 10 (Court News) carried the >> announcement: >> >> A marriage has been arranged between Dr E Chittenden Bridges, of South >> Kensington, and Mrs Winterfeldt, daughter of the late Dr William >> Scott, of Waverley-house, Huddersfield. >> >> So the Winterfeldt marriage ended before that date. The "single and >> unmarried" wording on the 1907 marriage certificate further suggests >> that it ended in annulment rather than divorce. Annulment declares the >> marriage invalid so that, in the eyes of the law, Helen had never been >> married and was indeed single. >> >> If you Google Hans Winterfeldt and his father, Max, you will find >> there is a lot of information about them available online, >> particularly in Google Books. They were German bankers with interests >> in the UK, USA and South Africa. Hans became a US citizen well before >> the First World War. Judging by the passenger lists on Ancestry, he >> was a frequent traveller to and from the United States. >> >> Caroline Gurney >> www.carosfamily.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

> From: George Bush > Sent: 23 January 2012 11:25 > > Just one final question, if I may; how do I go about obtaining a copy of the > licence for Helen's second marriage? The licence could have been issued by (a) the diocese of London, (b) the archdiocese of Canterbury, (c) the Superintendent Registrar for the district, or (d) the Registrar General. The latter are very unusual. The diocesan records are at the London Metropolitan Archives, and as far as I know they are not indexed for this period, but the date should help locate the licence allegation you want. The archdiocesan ones are at Lambeth Palace Library, and there is a calendar there up to 1913, so locating a licence allegation (if it is there) should be straightforward. I've no idea whether Superintendent Registrars keep records of licences for any period of time. You could try contacting the successor district to Paddington, which is Westminster (contact details: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/regoff.html#258) http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/marrlic.htm contains some useful information on church licences, but is getting out of date and you should assume anything stated to be at the Guildhall Library is now at LMA. Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - [email protected] Bodimeade genealogy:   http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My family history:     http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/ GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/