May I ask how a personal reply to a List message that seems to be addressed only to me has appeared on the Mailing List? Jeanne Bunting Sent from my iPhone 5

Dear List Members, Please accept my apologies for releasing the 'belt spam email' for those that received it. I have just taken over as the administrator of the SOG-UK mailing list due to recent sad news in regard to Geoff. Please bear with me as I learn the operation of the site/list. Many thanks, Regards, Chris. Chris Mappley Network Manager Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings London EC1M 7BA Registered Charity No. 233701 Company Limited by Guarantee Registered No. 115703 E-mail: support@sog.org.uk Web : www.sog.org.uk This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. You must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication unless explicitly  permitted to do so. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system without further distribution or use. ************************************************************************ -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tebbua@aol.com Sent: 22 January 2014 11:11 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOG-UK] SOG Conveyor belts Have just bought a thousand....what a bargain! Michael. P.s. same problem with Joyce as mwtre. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi - I've just completed an exam "module" looking at Dutch ancestry, and have copied you the relevant bits here: Hope you have some luck. Theresa Tracing Dutch Ancestry Dutch records are very thorough. Many images from the 1700s and 1800s are available freely online. The usual source for the indexes were Genlias, however, from 1 January 2013, this website was closed down and the contents of the site transferred to a new website https://www.wiewaswie.nl/ As with Genlias, the name of the archive, the record number and page are given which can be used to request an actual record if it has not been scanned. A Genlias index of information can be used to browse and locate the images on www.familysearch.org A marriage record has the date of the marriage, the birth names of the bride and groom and the full names of both sets of parents. Marriage records may also provide the dates and places of birth for the couple and if this is a second (or more) marriage for either person, the name of the earlier spouse(s) will be given. The number of children born to the couple prior to marriage will be mentioned. These records are the most useful because they include information on up to six people. Birth records include any stillborn children. The majority of birth records available are actually the death records of children. If the couple is not married at the time of a child's birth, the child took the surname of the mother. Once this name was recorded officially, it did not change even if the parents were later married. Death records include the birth name of the "partner," however, beware - this person is not necessarily the spouse of the deceased. The names of previously deceased partners, the age, place of birth and place of death of the deceased are listed as well. These records usually list the names of the deceased person's parents, making them very useful for tracing a genealogical line. Dutch names are notoriously spelled incorrectly on United States census records. The combination of the unfamiliar pronunciation and the fact that many census-takers were poorly educated according to today's standards, created some very strange phonetic spellings of Dutch names. Even headstones were not exempt. In addition, passenger lists are difficult for Americans to read because the European style of writing is unfamiliar. To find these names, you may have to think phonetically. A good idea is to try writing the name several times the way it might be pronounced. This technique will provide clues as to how the name might have been spelled. Dutch naming conventions were fairly standard in earlier generations. The first four children's names provide clues as to the names of their grandparents. There might be a slight variation in the spelling of the name and they may appear out of order due to a child's death, but the following naming convention was followed almost universally: First son was named after his father's father First daughter was named for her mother's mother Second son was named for his mother's father Second daughter was named for her father's mother Dutch Family History Resources * Cyndi's List - Netherlands/Nederland - www.cyndislist.com/netherlands * Genlias in English - replaced by: https://www.wiewaswie.nl/ * Streekarchivariaat/Noordwest-Veluwe (Gelderland) http://www.streekarchivariaat.nl/nl/ * Central Bureau for Genealogy (& National Archives) http://www.cbg.nl/index.php/308/visiting+us?id=308 * New Netherlands (New York) Vital Records http://www.americanancestors.org/uploadedFiles/American_Ancestors/Content/Promotions/Publication_Promotions/focus_new_netherland.pdf * Online Begraafplaatsen (Cemeteries): * http://www.online-begraafplaatsen.nl/ * FORVO - language guide: http://www.forvo.com/languages/nl/ ----------------------------- This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. 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Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. ----------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sog-uk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 22 January 2014 08:01 To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 6 Today's Topics: 1. Am looking for a Dutch Or German Divorce 1922-1939 any suggestions (jjgduffus@gmail.com) 2. Re: Am looking for a Dutch Or German Divorce 1922-1939 any suggestions (Peter at LostCousins) 3. Passport photos (Denis McElhinney) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:14:15 +0000 From: jjgduffus@gmail.com Subject: [SOG-UK] Am looking for a Dutch Or German Divorce 1922-1939 any suggestions To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20140121121415.5558417.17424.86@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Fellow listmembers My Great Aunt Vida Helen Von Pischof got divorced from her husband Otto Von Pischof at some time between the wars. During this time they lived in Netherlands and Germany. Has anyone any expierence of this type of search? Wonderful if they could offer a pointer or two Many thanks Julian Duffus Sog Member 1979 to Present Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:08:41 -0000 From: "Peter at LostCousins" <peter@lostcousins.com> Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Am looking for a Dutch Or German Divorce 1922-1939 any suggestions To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <52DE7159.12229.149D484@peter.lostcousins.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII It might be worth trying this free site which has Netherlands newspapers from 1618-1995: http://kranten.delpher.nl/ Also, this site has taken over from Genlias.nl https://www.wiewaswie.nl/ Hope this helps - how's your Dutch? Peter > My Great Aunt Vida Helen Von Pischof got divorced from her husband > Otto Von Pischof at some time between the wars. During this time > they lived in Netherlands and Germany. > > Has anyone any expierence of this type of search? Wonderful if they > could offer a pointer or two > > Many thanks > > Julian Duffus > > Sog Member 1979 to Present > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:29:29 +0000 From: Denis McElhinney <denis54uk@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: [SOG-UK] Passport photos To: SOG-UK@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP91A26188D3A50C47EE611F8A40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My father had two uncles who emigrated to Africa in 1921 to work on the railways. Within 15 years both had died there of Malaria. I have details of the passports issued to them in London before the journey and I have a variety of documents from Northern Rhodesia including their death certificates. Does anyone know whether the Passport Office would have copies of their passport photos and if so whether I could apply for these? Thanks Denis ------------------------------ To contact the SOG-UK list administrator, send an email to SOG-UK-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SOG-UK mailing list, send an email to SOG-UK@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SOG-UK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 6 ************************************

I have seen passports from slightly before this time and they where documents without any photographs at all. I guess the best way of doing this would be in touch with the passport people directly. Julian Duffus Sog Member 1979 to Present Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Denis McElhinney Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014 19:31 To: SOG-UK@rootsweb.com Reply To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOG-UK] Passport photos My father had two uncles who emigrated to Africa in 1921 to work on the railways. Within 15 years both had died there of Malaria. I have details of the passports issued to them in London before the journey and I have a variety of documents from Northern Rhodesia including their death certificates. Does anyone know whether the Passport Office would have copies of their passport photos and if so whether I could apply for these? Thanks Denis ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know about the rules re dead wife's sister etc - but if the 2 Murphys who died were brother & sister, that would make the surviving spouses who then married each other in-laws rather than a direct blood relation. Would something like the same law apply? Mary -----Original Message----- From: bush.lyme <bush.lyme@ntlworld.com> To: sog-uk <sog-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 12:45 Subject: [SOG-UK] consanguinity Mary ccording to Rebecca Probert in her book "Marriage Law for Genealogists", rom 31 August 1835 a marriage in England or Wales between a man and his eceased wife's sister would have been void, as would a marriage between a oman and her deceased husband's brother. The former prohibition was removed n 1907, but the latter not until 1921. reland had its own laws, which may or may not have been similar. However, t does seem likely that this problem was at the root of the matter. y apologies to Professor Probert if I have misquoted or misunderstood her. Regards George Bush ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

About a year ago I did some Irish research for a friend whose ancestors had left Co Cork for Massachusetts in the 19th century. The people who emigrated came from 2 different families. One woman had married in 1859 & had 5 children before her husband died in 1875. Another man married in 1874 & had 3 children (1 of whom died young) before his wife died in 1880. The family story is that the widowed woman had known the widower man before their marriages. Whether this is true or not, I do not know, but both families lived in nearby areas to each other in the parishes of Carrigtwohill & Midleton in E Cork, and both had married someone named Murphy. It seemed possible that the deceased spouses may have been siblings, but this has not yet been proven. At the end of 1881, both families sailed together to Boston - she with her 4 children (1 daughter having left earlier) & he with his 2 younger children. Exactly 28 days after docking in Boston, they married in a small town in Massachusetts. It would seem that both left Ireland in order to settle together in a new land, but the question is why didn't they marry first in Ireland - rather than waiting until they arrived in Massachusetts? If they had been married to siblings before, would this have made any difference to their ability to remarry in Ireland? I have looked through information on consanguinity, but do not find this situation among those described. (They were RC by the way.) Is there something that would have made it difficult for them to marry in Ireland but easier in Massachusetts? (It is possible that the man's father died early in 1881, but I don't see how this could have made a difference to their marriage plans.) Any ideas? [By the way, it would appear that someone on this list named "Joyce" has been hacked - as this am 2 messages arrived supposedly from her to SOG list & titled something about books - but on opening were about a company selling conveyer belts etc worldwide. I deleted both - but Joyce should check her security.] Thanks for any thoughts on the Irish question. Mary in London

My father had two uncles who emigrated to Africa in 1921 to work on the railways. Within 15 years both had died there of Malaria. I have details of the passports issued to them in London before the journey and I have a variety of documents from Northern Rhodesia including their death certificates. Does anyone know whether the Passport Office would have copies of their passport photos and if so whether I could apply for these? Thanks Denis

There are census street indexes on the National Archives' old 'Your Archives' site, however, not every registration district is covered and there are no indexes for 1901 and 1911. Also, the search facility no longer works so you will need to know the registration district that your street is in to browse the index. The web address is http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20120608115718/http://yourarchives .nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Your_Archives:Historical_Streets_Pr oject#Using_the_street_indexes Regards Gillian -----Original Message----- From: sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sog-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Atkinson Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014 3:52 AM To: sog-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SOG-UK] Streets on Censusses Can anyone advise how to search the online Ancestry UK Census records for a specific street in a town where one does not have the name of a person to search? Keith Atkinson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It might be worth trying this free site which has Netherlands newspapers from 1618-1995: http://kranten.delpher.nl/ Also, this site has taken over from Genlias.nl https://www.wiewaswie.nl/ Hope this helps - how's your Dutch? Peter > My Great Aunt Vida Helen Von Pischof got divorced from her husband > Otto Von Pischof at some time between the wars. During this time > they lived in Netherlands and Germany. > > Has anyone any expierence of this type of search? Wonderful if they > could offer a pointer or two > > Many thanks > > Julian Duffus > > Sog Member 1979 to Present > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Fellow listmembers My Great Aunt Vida Helen Von Pischof got divorced from her husband Otto Von Pischof at some time between the wars. During this time they lived in Netherlands and Germany. Has anyone any expierence of this type of search? Wonderful if they could offer a pointer or two Many thanks Julian Duffus Sog Member 1979 to Present Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

> Can anyone advise how to search the online Ancestry UK Census records > for a specific street in a town where one does not have the name of a > person to search? If you're lucky Ancestry's keyword search will do the job (it depends on the name of the street), but this is one of those times when it would be helpful to have access to findmypast, where all of the censuses are indexed by street. Peter

> From: Keith Atkinson > Sent: 20 January 2014 16:52 > > Can anyone advise how to search the online Ancestry UK Census records > for a specific street in a town where one does not have the name of a > person to search? Have a look in the online street index which used to be on YourArchives, and really ought to be in the UK Government web archive, but is now, it seems, only available at archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20120524200531/http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Special:Categories Then you can search on piece and folio number. A keyword search on Ancestry may also work. Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - A.R.Millard@durham.ac.uk Maintainer, Genuki Middx + London: homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/ Academic Co-ordinator, Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Bodimeade one-name study: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My genealogy: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/

Can anyone advise how to search the online Ancestry UK Census records for a specific street in a town where one does not have the name of a person to search? Keith Atkinson

TheGenealogist website also allows you to search by address and any other key word (like the occupation). The transcribing on TheGenealogist can be a bit ropey, though. I find having a subscription to both Ancestry and TheGenealogist usually means I can find who I'm looking for. Mark @ Yetminster

Sad news indeed.   Geoff took over as Treasurer at a difficult time and helped pull the Society through a very sticky patch.   On a persoanl level, I shalll always remember his cheerful company at our post-committee suppers in that Italian Restaurant in Goswell Road.   God bless him   Jim Willerton

Dear Jeanne Thank you so much for your kind message. We have always valued your friendship and I had planned to let you know about Geoff's passing as soon as I had further information. I will miss receiving your wonderful Christmas missives; and your belated birthday card to Geoff is still sitting proudly in the hall - it makes we smile every time I see it. I think in the end the owl was irritated that he didn't fulfill all he had planned to achieve! Best wishes, Val At 15:25 18/01/2014, you wrote: >Such sad news! Geoff was a good friend of mine from our old >CompuServe days where we found we both had the same (warped?) sense >of humour. We will all miss him greatly. > >Jeanne Bunting > >Sent from my iPhone 5 > > > On 18 Jan 2014, at 12:42, "Else Churchill" <genealogy@sog.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am very sorry to have to break the news that Geoff Stone, our former > > treasurer, died on Friday. > > > > > > > > Apparently he went in for a check-up scan a couple of weeks ago > to find that > > the cancer he had recently been treated for had returned and spread. Geoff > > went into hospital on Tuesday and actually died quite suddenly yesterday. > > > > > > > > As soon as we have news about the funeral arrangements we'll let you know, > > but I am sure his friends and colleagues at the SoG will join me in passing > > condolences on to his family. > > > > > > > > Geoff was a great friend and excellent company and will be sorely missed. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Such sad news! Geoff was a good friend of mine from our old CompuServe days where we found we both had the same (warped?) sense of humour. We will all miss him greatly. Jeanne Bunting Sent from my iPhone 5 > On 18 Jan 2014, at 12:42, "Else Churchill" <genealogy@sog.org.uk> wrote: > > > > I am very sorry to have to break the news that Geoff Stone, our former > treasurer, died on Friday. > > > > Apparently he went in for a check-up scan a couple of weeks ago to find that > the cancer he had recently been treated for had returned and spread. Geoff > went into hospital on Tuesday and actually died quite suddenly yesterday. > > > > As soon as we have news about the funeral arrangements we'll let you know, > but I am sure his friends and colleagues at the SoG will join me in passing > condolences on to his family. > > > > Geoff was a great friend and excellent company and will be sorely missed. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is very sad news indeed. Geoff did so much for us all, particularly on this mailing list. I send my condolences to his family. Caroline Caroline Gurney [image: Caroline Gurney's Visual Thumbprint]<https://www.vizify.com/es/5025c0a448d185000200004f> On 18 January 2014 12:42, Else Churchill <genealogy@sog.org.uk> wrote: I am very sorry to have to break the news that Geoff Stone, our former treasurer, died on Friday. Apparently he went in for a check-up scan a couple of weeks ago to find that the cancer he had recently been treated for had returned and spread. Geoff went into hospital on Tuesday and actually died quite suddenly yesterday. As soon as we have news about the funeral arrangements we'll let you know, but I am sure his friends and colleagues at the SoG will join me in passing condolences on to his family. Geoff was a great friend and excellent company and will be sorely missed. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SOG-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am very sorry to have to break the news that Geoff Stone, our former treasurer, died on Friday. Apparently he went in for a check-up scan a couple of weeks ago to find that the cancer he had recently been treated for had returned and spread. Geoff went into hospital on Tuesday and actually died quite suddenly yesterday. As soon as we have news about the funeral arrangements we'll let you know, but I am sure his friends and colleagues at the SoG will join me in passing condolences on to his family. Geoff was a great friend and excellent company and will be sorely missed.

Thank you for your suggestions for further searching. Unfortunately the Crystal Palace Foundation research section has replied to my request saying that they have no knowledge of the competition. Thank you again for your help Colin Ward