Sue; I checked in San Diego County for the pre-1940 deaths and did not find another Alfred W. Roberts, but here is the one that died in 1994. San Diego 335-463 Alfred William Roberts 16916 Hierba Dr., #176, San Diego, CA Died: 11/16/1994, 5:35 am, Remington Health Center, San Diego male, white, SS#562-09-2620, married, education - teacher for State of California, age 94 Spouse: Lenore May Poschman Birth: 12/17/1899, Austria FA: James Roberts, Wales MO: Anna, Germany Cause: Cardiopulmonary arrest, aspiration pneumonia, dementia DR: Albert Huerta Mortuary: Telophase Society Cremation: 11/22/1994, ashes scattered at sea 3 miles off coast of San Diego Informant: Spouse Education: 16 years In County: 5 years Hope this can tell you something. Donna At 07:13 PM 1/8/01 -0000, Sue wrote: >Thanks .. > >The irony here is, that Rhoda had a sister who emigrated to Australia around >the same time as she emigrated to America ... I'm now wondering if Rhoda >went to see her sister in Australial, met Alfred & married him in Australia >& then went to America ... > >Someone found Alfred living in El Cajon, San Diego, in 1926 - he was a Sheep >Shearer ... Are there a lot of sheep in California ... ? ... :-)) > >Sue > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna@MBS" <mbs@inland.net> >To: "Sue" <lookfor@ntlworld.com> >Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:49 PM >Subject: Re: [CASANDIE] San Diego / LA - Help wanted > > >> Sue; >> Will see what I can find and if it leads to Austrailia, that could be fun >> for you. Will get back to you next week. >> Donna >> >> >> >> >> At 06:25 PM 1/8/01 -0000, Sue wrote: >> >You are one nice lady Donna .. Thank you very much for offering to help >... >> >I would be lost without someone being as generous as you ... >> > >> >The family I have so far : ....... >> > >> >Alfred W. ROBERTS (b. ? Australia - d. ?) married my Great Aunt, Rhoda >Ellen >> >DUNN (15 Jan 1890 Nottingham, UK - 8 Jan 1963 Los Angeles, CA) ... >> > >> >They had ... >> > >> >Jean Alfred ROBERTS (9 Aug 1920 San Diego, CA - 13 Nov 1976 San Diego, >CA) & >> >Mary ROBERTS (5 Sep 1923 San Diego, CA - ?) >> > >> >The informant on Rhoda's death certificate was a Eugene PECK - new name >... >> >I then queried if this was person was in fact Mary ROBERTS's husband ... >> > >> >In the CA Birth Index I entered a PECK father & a ROBERTS mother & came >up >> >with only the one possible birth, Catherine Elizabeth PECK (b.10 Mar 1953 >> >LA, CA) >> > >> >>From the DC of Jean Alfred ROBERTS, that you so kindly sent me, I found >the >> >informant, Eugene F. ROBERTS & wondered if this person was Jean's son ... >> > >> >I did a check on the CA Birth Index & found that Jean Alfred ROBERTS had >> >probably married someone by the name of PAULSEN & they had two children : >> >....... >> > >> >Eugene Frederick ROBERTS (15 May 1942 San Diego, CA - ?) & >> >Jack Richard ROBERTS (13 June 1945 San Diego, CA - ?) ... >> > >> >I'm still at a loss as to who Rhoda's hubby really was ... Yes, his name >was >> >Alfred W. (? William) ROBERTS & according to Jean's DC he was born in >> >Australia ... But the only person with this name on the online CA Death >> >Index, is someone who died in 1994 .. But at her death, in 1963, Rhoda is >> >quoted as being a widow ... May because Rhoda was a physiotherapist / >> >registered nurse, it is possible that she could have gained some >> >respectability by being classed as a Widow rather than a Divorcee - who >> >knows - especially at that time - now it wouldn't be quite so important >... >> > >> >The online CA Death index doesn't start until 1940 & I did wonder if >Rhoda's >> >hubby could have died before this date ... Either that. or Alfred had >> >dropped the *W* bit of his name ... >> > >> >It is a puzzle, isn't it ? .. >> > >> >I would appreciate any help you could offer to disentangle this puzzle >... >> > >> >Sue >> > >> >> Sue; >> >> I can get that DC for you and also see if there are any Alfred W. >Roberts >> >> in San Diego pre-1940. >> >> Donna >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 02:02 AM 1/6/01 -0000, Sue wrote: >> >> >Donna was brilliant & got for me the DC (see I'm learning fast), for >Jean >> >> >Alfred ROBERTS ... >> >> > >> >> >>From this I found his father - Alfred W. ROBERTS ... >> >> > >> >> >Now this is where I have a problem ... When I found Jean's mother's >death >> >> >certificate, that of Rhoda Ellen ROBERTS (nee DUNN), it stated that >Rhoda >> >> >was a Widow - this was in 1963 - and yet, when I search through the >> >Online >> >> >California Death Index I only find the one Alfred William ROBERTS:- >> >> > >> >> >ROBERTS ALFRED WILLIAM b. 12/17/1899 born. M REST (OTHER) >died. >> >> >SAN DIEGO(37) d. 11/16/1994 SSN 562-09-2620 aged 94 yrs >> >> > >> >> >Now *if* this is Rhoda's hubby, then whoever was the informant for her >> >Death >> >> >Certificate wasn't quite telling the truth - maybe they were divorced >& >> >he >> >> >was being kind by putting her down as a widow - maybe he didn't know >she >> >was >> >> >still married, maybe Rhoda hadn't told him ... An awful lot of maybes, >eh >> >? >> >> >.. But at least the Born in the Rest (Other) was correct .. >> >> > >> >> >There were only 4 ROBERTS with the Alfred name, who were born in >> >Rest/Other, >> >> >who could could have been Rhoda's husband & only one of those died >before >> >> >1963 ... >> >> > >> >> >ROBERTS ALFRED 04/17/1874 LAVIS ROBERTS M REST (OTHER) SAN >> >JOAQUIN >> >> >01/10/1943 68 yrs Add >> >> > >> >> >ROBERTS ALFRED 08/24/1886 M REST (OTHER) LOS ANGELES(19) >> >> >01/19/1977 097-07-6845 90 yrs Add >> >> > >> >> >ROBERTS ALFRED EDWARD 06/30/1913 WILLIAMSON M REST (OTHER) >> >SOLANO >> >> >05/11/1987 569-40-8105 73 yrs Add >> >> > >> >> >ROBERTS ALFRED WILLIAM 12/17/1899 M REST (OTHER) SAN >DIEGO(37) >> >> >11/16/1994 562-09-2620 94 yrs Add >> >> > >> >> >ROBERTS CHARLES ALFRED 01/02/1895 PAVEY M REST (OTHER) ORANGE >> >> >08/18/1986 082-32-7561 91 yrs Add >> >> > >> >> >Trouble is, which one was the right one .. AND, doesn't this Death >Index >> >> >only start in 1940 ??? ... Maybe Rhoda's hubby died before 1940 ? ... >> >> >Another possibility, right ? ... >> >> > >> >> >Another very kind person looked at the CA Directories for me & Alfred >> >> >appears up to 1941 & is not listed for 1942 & 43 ... Others are *our >for >> >> >rebinding* ... Now I wonder, with Alfred not appearing in either 1942 >or >> >43, >> >> >whether he died during 1939 or 1940 ? ... If these directories are >like >> >the >> >> >ones over here, your name appears in them up to 2 years after you stop >> >> >subscribing ... >> >> > >> >> >So, will anyone please kindly do a look up for the DC of Alfred W. >> >ROBERTS - >> >> >wife of Rhoda E. ROBERTS (nee DUNN) - in the San Diego area - or the >LA >> >area >> >> >... >> >> > >> >> >Thanks very much ... >> >> > >> >> >Sue Kay >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >> >From: "Donna@MBS" <mbs@inland.net> >> >> >To: "Sue" <lookfor@ntlworld.com>; <SOCAL-L@rootsweb.com>; >> >> ><CASANDIE-L@rootsweb.com>; <CA-DEATH-INDEX-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> >Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:21 AM >> >> >Subject: Re: San Diego / LA - Help wanted - sorry it's long >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Sue; >> >> >> Got a DC transcription for Jean for you. >> >> >> >> >> >> San Diego 153-2582 >> >> >> Jean Alfred Roberts >> >> >> 1918 Broadway Apt 4-A, San Diego, CA >> >> >> Died: 11/13/1976, 7:30 pm, El Cajon Valley Hospital >> >> >> male, caucasian, SS#557-18-4047, divorced, age 56, Engineer - >Equipment >> >> >> Operator >> >> >> Birth: 8/9/1920, California >> >> >> FA: Alfred W. Roberts, Australia >> >> >> MO: Rhoda E. Dunn, England >> >> >> Cause: Ventricular fibrillation, massive gastric aspiration, benign >> >> >> prostate hypertrophy. >> >> >> DR: Philip O. Braebel >> >> >> Mortuary: Featheringill Mortuary >> >> >> Cremation: 11/17/1976, Cypress View Crematory >> >> >> Informant: Eugene F. Roberts 23151 Saguaro, Apt D, El Toro, >California >> >> >> >> >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >> Donna >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 02:52 PM 1/1/01 -0000, Sue wrote: >> >> >> >Hello All, I'm new to this list ... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >My interest in CA stems from my Great Aunt - Rhoda Ellen ROBERTS >(nee >> >> >DUNN) >> >> >> >... She was born on the 15th January, 1890 (birth certificate), in >my >> >> >home >> >> >> >town of Nottingham, England - (15th January 1891 on death >certificate) >> >> >... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Rhoda was a registered nurse who, I think, emigrated to America in >the >> >> >> >September of 1919 ... I have this postcard written by my Gran to a >> >> >cousin, >> >> >> >saying how she couldn't visit with them because she was, "going to >see >> >> >> >Nellie off" ... The *off* being wave her goodbye & Nellie being >> >Rhoda's >> >> >> >nickname ... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >I finally found my Rhoda on the online California Death Index - >many >> >> >thanks >> >> >> >to the people who made that available .. She died on the 8th >January, >> >> >1963, >> >> >> >in Los Angeles ... She was a widow ... I have no idea who the >> >informant >> >> >was, >> >> >> >& I would suggest that he didn't know her all that well, because >her >> >> >> >mother's name is missing & her father's name is the wrong one - it >> >gives >> >> >> >William DUNN & in fact her father's name was Elias DUNN ... Her >> >> >grandfather >> >> >> >& brother were called William ... There are too many things right >> >about >> >> >the >> >> >> >information given for me not to doubt that I have the right death >> >> >> >certificate ... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >I was told that Rhoda married an American & had two children - a >boy >> >> >called >> >> >> >Gene & a girl 'they' thought was called Molly ... So, I then set >about >> >> >> >searching the Online Birth Index & found a possible two children >for >> >> >Rhoda >> >> >> >.... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >ROBERTS JEAN A 08/09/1920 MALE DUNN SAN DIEGO >> >> >> >ROBERTS MARY A 09/05/1923 FEMALE DUNN SAN DIEGO >> >> >> > >> >> >> >I then searched the Cemetery Index again & found a possible death >for >> >> >Jean >> >> >> >... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Jean A Roberts Burial: Fort Rosecrans National >> >> >Cemetery >> >> >> >* >> >> >> >Birth: Aug. 9, 1920 San Diego County >> >> >> >Death: Nov. 13, 1976 California, USA - Plot: E,70 >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Of course, I have no ideas at all about Mary .. ??? ... Did she >marry >> >.. >> >> >??? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >I still don't know the name of Rhoda's hubby either ... Is there a >> >> >Marriage >> >> >> >Index that could be searched .. ??? .. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Rhoda was a Registered nurse - I understand she did her training >her >> >in >> >> >> >England - but - would she have had to have registered with a >Nursing >> >> >> >Association in America ? .. If so, with whom ? ... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Are hospital records available ? ... Her Death certificate says she >> >died >> >> >at >> >> >> >the Good Samaritan Hospital, Los Angeles, & that her last >employment >> >had >> >> >> >been at the Ventura General Hospital ... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Finally (almost) - do I hear a sigh of relief ? ... :-) ... The >> >funeral >> >> >> >director was Callanan Mortuary & she was buried in the Holy Cross >> >> >Cemetery >> >> >> >... Now I've searched for this cemetery, but I'm confused, there >> >appears >> >> >to >> >> >> >be more than one in Los Angeles by than name ... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Lastly, I have found on the LA Times Index, an Obituary for Rhoda, >but >> >I >> >> >> >have no idea where to go from here about that ... The entry says >... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >ROBERTS, Rhoda; ; ; Los Angeles T (CA); 1997-3-16; kweigel >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Could this really be her, do you think ? ... Is the date the entry >in >> >the >> >> >> >index ? ... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Umm ... A lot of food for thought ... Thanks for letting me air it >... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Sue >> >> >> >were the snow has finally melted ... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > > >