>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:53:51 -0700 >X-From_: Janabears@aol.com Mon Oct 16 14:53:50 2000 >From: Janabears@aol.com > >I am not a subscriber to the CA lists, as I search in the Midwest, but I >happened to come across this site. It lists ALL material available in CA and >where to find it. >Jan > ><A HREF="http://www.library.ca.gov/html/genealogy.html">Genealogy</A> >www.library.ca.gov/html/genealogy.html -- Yvonne Oliver Bowers, Listmom, GenConnect Administratior, Proud Rootsweb Sponsor NORCAL, SOCAL, CA-GOLDRUSH, CA-EARTHQUAKE-L,CA-CORNISH-L NORCAL Library http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html NORCAL Genealogy Index http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/ CA-GOLDRUSH Most Wanted: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/CAGOLDRUSH/goldrushdigest.html Yvonne's Rootsweb Resource Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/

Dear Mr. Davis, The action of yours that is the subject of this message is the Veto of Historic Cemetery Bill SB2027 & AB1779. This legeslation is of great interest to a greying population. The large and growing population of genealogically interested Californians are fortunate to live in a state with open access to valuable records like the Birth, Marriage and Death indexes. I've used these to great advantage in building my family history. Since my family arrived in CA in 1846 via the Donner Party, there are California branches of my family of whom my parents had forgotten. But the those open records within the state have enabled me to reconstruct much of what was lost to them. I am convinced that those who live in other states are envious of the open access this provides to the researcher, as only Texas has such convenient access available. The far sighted predecessors of yours, governors that is, acceded to the wishes of the population to relenquish their control of the dispersal of public records to the great advantage of their populations. One of the burdens of power is the judicious use thereof. The price to the state of public confidence is freely (not necessarily monetary) available information about the state government and its subdivisions. I urge you to reconsider your position on this matter and include a more detailed explanation of the topic in the attachment below. Sincerely John H. Goebel ++++++++++++++ Subject: Historic Cemetery Bill vetoed Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:03:54 -0400 From: Nan & George Wolf <71532.734@compuserve.com> To: SOCAL-L@rootsweb.com Hi: Here is the monthly report from the CA Genealogical Alliance legislative analyst, Iris Carter Jones. Note her comments concerning the History Cemetery bill. But, there is some good news in the report also. Regards, Nan 71532.734@compuserve.com -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: Iris Jones, INTERNET:ijones@ns.net To: Gen & His Council Sacto Valley, INTERNET:ijones@ns.net CC: [unknown], INTERNET:feefhs@feefhs.org Date: 10/12/00 7:18 PM RE: Oct Leg Report LEGISLATIVE REPORT While September 30th was the last day for the Governor to sign bills for this session, I have yet to see any action taken on Senator Sher's SB2027. It would appear that genealogists are not the only unhappy members of the public when it comes to lack of strong legislation to protect the public's right to know. On October 1 in the Sacramento Bee, columnist Marjie Lundstron discussed a new statewide survey's conclusion that in our Golden State, 'runarounds are routine and bureaucratic stonewalling is the name of the game.' The survey, taken by the California First Amendment Coalition and the Society of Professional Journalists, audited public agencies to see if they really did release public records to the public. In 77% of the cases, police, sheriffs, cities and schools turned down verbal requests for records which are classed as public records. In cases where written requests were sent, 53% were denied. The point of the column is not lost on genealogist, I get many calls from researchers asking what they can do to force the issue of obtaining public records in their counties. If Governor Davis did not sign Senator Sher's SB2027, and appears he did not, it will be the second time it has gone down to defeat. Last year he vetoed a similar bill. But, the previous Governor did not sign a similar bill by Senator Kopp, twice. Who do they work for, the public or the bureaucrats? In spite of all the hard work and hundreds of letters, calls and Emails, Governor Davis vetoed AB1779 which would have established the California Historic Cemetery Commission. His reasons have not yet been published. This is very sad news. He did sign Assemblyman Cox's AB2580 which, if enforced, should help cut down on vandalism in cemeteries and places of worship. Assemblyman Shelley's AB2799 was signed. It requires government agencies to furnish public records in any format used within their agency. As was Senator Peace's Privacy bill SB129. We will follow this as it progresses. You may recall last year, SB927 by Senator McPherson, called the California Newspaper Project, would furnish money for the University of California to identify and preserve the state's history as reflected in its newspapers, and mandate an appropriation of $1,200,000 be allocated from the year 2000 to 2004 from the General Fund to match a grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities. The Project will provide a union listing of all newspapers published in California, and the location of repositories online. Newspaper collections that have never been filmed, both public and private can be microfilmed. A complete set would be housed at the CA State Library for interlibrary loans. Additional copies would be furnished to the libraries of origin. The bill was vetoed last year, but the Governor stated that he would make money available for the project in the 2000-2001 budget. I just found out last week that he did allot the money, and the University has received the funding to proceed with the project. Well, the legislature is finished for this year, so it is unlikely that I will have reports coming out between now and early next year. This is barring anything major at the federal level or problems that might arise at the local level or in other states. If you wish to be added to my Network, send your name, name of your organization, and E-mail address, stating you wish to be added to the Legislative Network, at <ijones@ns.net>. Permission is granted to reprint Legislative Reports. Please cite your source.---Iris Carter Jones, Legislative Network Coordinator, October 7, 2000.

If possible I would like a CAMI lookup for a Marlene Groos. She would be about 20 years old in 1955 so I am guessing that she would have gotten married during the 1950's. Thanks for any assistance. Jim Godward Belgrade, Montana Searching--GODWARD/HEALD/GUITTARD/BINNIE/MARFELL/DEPLEDGE/WARHURST~

Hi Patricia, I will be going to the Records office this Wed and can do the DCT for you. I don't do OBITS, but maybe someone else on the list can do that Lureigne maharoni@netzero.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Knapp" <pat.knapp@sympatico.ca> To: <SOCAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 7:00 AM Subject: Hoping for a DCT & Obits lookup for Singer (Riverside) > > Any help would be appreciated for the following: > > > > Looking for OBIT and DCT for Gladys > > Gladys Marie (Kalbfleisch) Singer b:11/13/1907 MI d:03/29/1989 81 yrs. > > 92220 Banning Riverside Co. California >#SSDI 371-20-2321 > > Mothers Maiden "Pagel" : Fathers Last "Kalbfleisch" > > > > Looking for just Obit for Alex Singer > > Singer, Alex C. Sp. GM(K) died 3/14/80 age 85 > > Riverside 548-50-4546 #1287 #33502 > > SSDI, Alex Singer b 12/7/1894 d March 1980 SSN 548-50-4546 iss CA > > Last Res. & Benefit 92220 Banning, Riverside > > SINGER ALEXANDER (Conrad) ob 12/07/1894 (December) > > Mother's maiden name also KALBFLEISCH bp MI > > > > I have also put my email and name on the end of the CADI just incase. > > Thanks again. Patricia > > -- > > Patricia Ann Cattanach Knapp <Pat.knapp@sympatico.ca> > > Georgetown, ON Canada [also Foy, Singer and Johnston] > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/n/a/Patricia-A-Knapp/ > > > > -- > Patricia Ann Cattanach Knapp <Pat.knapp@sympatico.ca> > Georgetown, ON Canada [also Foy, Singer and Johnston] > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/n/a/Patricia-A-Knapp/ > > ______________________________ _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Hi Lon, I will be going to the Records office this Wed., I will take a look for you. Lureigne maharoni@netzero.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lon Mason" <lmason@page.az.net> To: <SOCAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:43 PM Subject: Death Certificate Transcription Riverside Coun ty > Could SKS please do a death certificate transcription and obit lookup for me > for the following individual: > > Kenneth John CHERMAK born 3/5/1946 and died 2/18/1990 in Riverside County, > CA > > Thanks in advance > > Lon Mason > > ______________________________ _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Thank you and what a nice gesture. My daughter Annie King was Lakiba Nicolle Palmer's Running coach at San Diego High School her senior year. Likiba came from a very poor family but told my daughter that the most important thing in her life was to get out of the ghetto and join the Navy. Annie would pick her up for Track Meets....take her to a Doctor for Physical's required by the team.....and really encouraged her to make that dream come true. Once at a large Meet, and about only about 45 mintutes before Lakiba's heat, she told Annie she'd forgotten to bring her Sports Bra. She got a trolley, went home, got it....and managed to make it just in time. I knew Lakiba too. We are all very sad. xxxxxxoo Louise King in La Jolla CA In a message dated 10/14/00 19:46:31, RLTJPS@aol.com writes: >Lakiba Nicole Palmer, San Diego, Calif

> Any help would be appreciated for the following: > > Looking for OBIT and DCT for Gladys > Gladys Marie (Kalbfleisch) Singer b:11/13/1907 MI d:03/29/1989 81 yrs. > 92220 Banning Riverside Co. California >#SSDI 371-20-2321 > Mothers Maiden "Pagel" : Fathers Last "Kalbfleisch" > > Looking for just Obit for Alex Singer > Singer, Alex C. Sp. GM(K) died 3/14/80 age 85 > Riverside 548-50-4546 #1287 #33502 > SSDI, Alex Singer b 12/7/1894 d March 1980 SSN 548-50-4546 iss CA > Last Res. & Benefit 92220 Banning, Riverside > SINGER ALEXANDER (Conrad) ob 12/07/1894 (December) > Mother's maiden name also KALBFLEISCH bp MI > > I have also put my email and name on the end of the CADI just incase. > Thanks again. Patricia > -- > Patricia Ann Cattanach Knapp <Pat.knapp@sympatico.ca> > Georgetown, ON Canada [also Foy, Singer and Johnston] > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/n/a/Patricia-A-Knapp/ > -- Patricia Ann Cattanach Knapp <Pat.knapp@sympatico.ca> Georgetown, ON Canada [also Foy, Singer and Johnston] http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/n/a/Patricia-A-Knapp/

Forward to my fellow California list members. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subj: Time For *All Of Us* To Stop For A Minute Date: 10/13/2000 From: miles@usmo.com (Margy (Listowner)) To: CUMBERLAND-RIVER-L@rootsweb.com Please let's take time to remember and say a prayer for them and their loved ones. God bless. USS Cole Known Dead: Richard Costelow, Morrisville, Pa. Cherone Louis Gunn, Rex, Ga. James Rodrick McDaniels, Norfolk, Va. Lakiba Nicole Palmer, San Diego, Calif. Timothy Lamont Saunders, Ringold, Va. Andrew Triplett, Macon, Miss. Craig Bryan Wibberley, Williamsport, Md. Those still listed as missing are: Kenneth Eugene Clodfelter, Mechanicsville, Va. Lakeina Monique Francis, Woodleaf, N.C. Timothy Lee Gauna, Rice, Texas Marc Ian Nieto, Fond Du Lac, Wis. Ronald Scott Owens, Vero Beach, Fla. Joshua Langdon Parlett, Churchville, Md. Patrick Howard Roy, Cornwall on Hudson, N.Y. Second Class Kevin Shawn Rux, Portland, N.D. Ronchester Mananga Santiago, Kingsville, Texas Gary Graham Swenchonis, Jr., Rockport, Texas Additionally, more than three dozen USS Cole Sailors were injured in the incident, several of them seriously. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Could SKS please do a death certificate transcription and obit lookup for me for the following individual: Kenneth John CHERMAK born 3/5/1946 and died 2/18/1990 in Riverside County, CA Thanks in advance Lon Mason

Could someone please look up a death in the CADI? John Curtis MORSE - I am not sure of his exact date of death, but I am pretty sure it was in 1934. He may have been living in Bakersfield at the time of his death. Thanks for your help. Inez wardi@ipa.net

Hi: Here is the monthly report from the CA Genealogical Alliance legislative analyst, Iris Carter Jones. Note her comments concerning the History Cemetery bill. But, there is some good news in the report also. Regards, Nan 71532.734@compuserve.com -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: Iris Jones, INTERNET:ijones@ns.net To: Gen & His Council Sacto Valley, INTERNET:ijones@ns.net CC: [unknown], INTERNET:feefhs@feefhs.org Date: 10/12/00 7:18 PM RE: Oct Leg Report LEGISLATIVE REPORT While September 30th was the last day for the Governor to sign bills for this session, I have yet to see any action taken on Senator Sher's SB2027. It would appear that genealogists are not the only unhappy members of the public when it comes to lack of strong legislation to protect the public's right to know. On October 1 in the Sacramento Bee, columnist Marjie Lundstron discussed a new statewide survey's conclusion that in our Golden State, 'runarounds are routine and bureaucratic stonewalling is the name of the game.' The survey, taken by the California First Amendment Coalition and the Society of Professional Journalists, audited public agencies to see if they really did release public records to the public. In 77% of the cases, police, sheriffs, cities and schools turned down verbal requests for records which are classed as public records. In cases where written requests were sent, 53% were denied. The point of the column is not lost on genealogist, I get many calls from researchers asking what they can do to force the issue of obtaining public records in their counties. If Governor Davis did not sign Senator Sher's SB2027, and appears he did not, it will be the second time it has gone down to defeat. Last year he vetoed a similar bill. But, the previous Governor did not sign a similar bill by Senator Kopp, twice. Who do they work for, the public or the bureaucrats? In spite of all the hard work and hundreds of letters, calls and Emails, Governor Davis vetoed AB1779 which would have established the California Historic Cemetery Commission. His reasons have not yet been published. This is very sad news. He did sign Assemblyman Cox's AB2580 which, if enforced, should help cut down on vandalism in cemeteries and places of worship. Assemblyman Shelley's AB2799 was signed. It requires government agencies to furnish public records in any format used within their agency. As was Senator Peace's Privacy bill SB129. We will follow this as it progresses. You may recall last year, SB927 by Senator McPherson, called the California Newspaper Project, would furnish money for the University of California to identify and preserve the state's history as reflected in its newspapers, and mandate an appropriation of $1,200,000 be allocated from the year 2000 to 2004 from the General Fund to match a grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities. The Project will provide a union listing of all newspapers published in California, and the location of repositories online. Newspaper collections that have never been filmed, both public and private can be microfilmed. A complete set would be housed at the CA State Library for interlibrary loans. Additional copies would be furnished to the libraries of origin. The bill was vetoed last year, but the Governor stated that he would make money available for the project in the 2000-2001 budget. I just found out last week that he did allot the money, and the University has received the funding to proceed with the project. Well, the legislature is finished for this year, so it is unlikely that I will have reports coming out between now and early next year. This is barring anything major at the federal level or problems that might arise at the local level or in other states. If you wish to be added to my Network, send your name, name of your organization, and E-mail address, stating you wish to be added to the Legislative Network, at <ijones@ns.net>. Permission is granted to reprint Legislative Reports. Please cite your source.---Iris Carter Jones, Legislative Network Coordinator, October 7, 2000. ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: ijones@ns.net Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net [129.250.36.41]) by sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id WAA19444; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13juQS-0000Lj-00; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:18:24 +0000 Received: from [209.162.64.142] (helo=pm04-29.sac.verio.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.161 #1) id 13juQP-00014y-00; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:18:21 +0000 From: Iris Jones <ijones@ns.net> To: Master List <ijones@ns.net>, "G.A.S. 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Am asking a looking up please! I need a check 1924-1940 for this gentleman. County & DoD unknown. I don't even know an occupation. Story goes he abandoned wife, Cora, and son. This gentleman is David's paternal gfather A653 Walter W ARNETT or Walter J ARNETTE His son's CA original and amended bc has these two names. Would someone check? Please reply to me privately. Carole Beth Arnette San Antonio, TX nautilus@ev1.net .

Mount Diablo is in Contra Costa county. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Knight" <knight@roguewave.com> To: "'Carole Beth Arnette'" <nautilus@ev1.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:13 PM Subject: RE: land record info > Carole > > My experience in CA land records indicate the MD stands for the meridian > named Mount Diablo. > > Diana Busby-Knight > Oregon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carole Beth Arnette [mailto:nautilus@ev1.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:54 PM > To: NORCAL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: land record info > > > Would someone explain what "MD" means. Has something to do with a river, > creek, etc Is there a web that explains all the abbreviations? Could it > mean the land was paid for with a military scrip? > > Thank you in advance, > Carole Beth > > > > I found this doing a land record search. The question I have is what is > > meant by the "Military Scrip Warrant Patent" & how I can find information > > about that. Also, would there be more info on the document # available. > Here > > is the complete info: > > > > Land Record record for JOHN LAMPSA > > Name: JOHN LAMPSA > > Date: 15 May 1880 > > Location: CA, Mendocino > > Document #: 33316 > > Serial #: CACAAA 030690 > > Sale Type: Military Scrip Warrant Patent > > Meridian or Watershed: MD > > Parcel: Township 016N, Range 016W, Section 18 > > > > Thanks, > > Judy > > > > >

Rick; Will put it on my list to do. Donna At 01:34 PM 10/8/00 EDT, BATRACING@aol.com wrote: > Hello from Ohio, Is there any obits on line for San Diego in 1983? If not >could someone help me find one for an Edna Loveland Scott (Littlejohn) she >was born in Salinas on Jan.6,1896. She died Dec. 24 1983 in San Diego. > > Thanks Rick > > >

Peggy; I will see what I can find and get back to you. Donna At 08:13 AM 10/7/00 -0700, Peg & Ron wrote: >Hello folks: > >I am a first time poster to this list. I am searching for >information on a long deceased mysterious great uncle and aunt. His >name was James E. Martin. If I have chosen the correct one from the >CA Death Index, he died March 2, 1955. DOB July 18, 1872. He died >in San Diego and according to the DC of his wife, Janetta their last >residence was 4774 36th Street in that city. > >Sadly, these lovely people had no children and lived a great many >years of their lives in the Canal Zone where he was employed. They >returned and lived in San Diego the remainder of their lives. > >If anyone can help with a look-up for this gentleman, I would be most >appreciative and willing to pay any costs incurred. > >You may contact me at my personal E mail if you wish. rv64@lor.net >Thank you so much! This would mean so much to me! >Peggy > > >

Hi: This does not involve California research but those of you who have Mayflower connections should be very interested in this. Actually anyone who appreciates history will be interested in this article. Please pass it on. October 15 is VERY close. NORCAL and SOCAL have had lots of clout in legislation at the state level. Maybe they can help here also. Regards, Nan Wolfl 71532.734@compuserve.com ---------------------------------- The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 2000 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter Vol. 5 No. 41- October 7, 2000 - Leiden, Holland, Pilgrim Sites Threatened Two years ago I had the pleasure of visiting Leiden, Netherlands. I walked in the neighborhood where the Pilgrims lived prior to their trip to Plymouth, Massachusetts. I also toured the Leiden American Pilgrim Museum. Even though I do not have Pilgrim ancestry, I felt a strong sense of connection to an important piece of American history. This week I was distressed to read the following warning from Jeremy Dupertuis Bangs, Director of the Leiden American Pilgrim Museum. Much of this historical area may soon be destroyed. I would suggest that every reader of this newsletter write a letter or e-mail to each party listed. Also, please distribute this information onto newslists, forums, chat boards and genealogy society newsletters as you see fit: NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN PILGRIM SITES DEMOLITION PLANS: LEIDEN'S VROUWEKERK AND AALMARKT SITES Jeremy Dupertuis Bangs, Director, Leiden American Pilgrim Museum, 19 September 2000 November 7, 2000, has been set for the Council of State's hearing on the City of Leiden's intention to demolition the remains of the Vrouwekerk, the medieval church that was used by the Walloons (Huguenots) after the Reformation. Through its association with the families of Philip Delano, Francis Cooke and his wife Hester Mayhew, Edward Bumpas and other Huguenots who became Pilgrims, this site symbolizes the confluence of two major streams in the history of persecution, refuge, religious freedom, and colonial migration - the English Separatists now called the Pilgrims and the French Calvinists known as the Huguenots. In addition to the Pilgrim connections, this is the church from which numerous families emigrated to New York and Guyana in 1622-24, led by Jesse de Forest. Thus the site is important for its historical associations with the beginnings of colonial settlement in both New York and New Netherlands. In a new development, the Council of State has informed the parties in the case that they may submit new evidence and supporting materials up to two weeks before the date of the hearing. Thus it becomes possible for me to submit individual letters expressing support for my contention that the cultural and historical value of the Vrouwekerk ruin as an important symbol of the ties between The Netherlands and America justifies a decision to prevent demolition. I can also now include a copy of the petition which many people have signed, as evidence in this case. This new development is very encouraging and inspires hopes that the Council of State will recognize the value of preserving this ruin to commemorate an important link in the common histories of The Netherlands, Belgium, France, and America. Please send letters of support for preserving the Vrouwekerk to me before October 15. I will then submit them to the Council of State. My postal address is: Mandenmakerssteeg 11, 2311 ED Leiden The Netherlands My (new) e-mail address is: bangsflynn@cs.com Thank you very much for your continued support in this effort. [Dispute details in the following sub-article:] AALMARKT DEVELOPMENTS Following discussions and decisions on the town's plans to regulate prostitution (only four brothels), which the central government has decriminalized as of October 1st, Leiden's Town Council debated the Aalmarkt demolition plans in its meeting last Tuesday, September 12, 2000. Despite eloquently expressed opposition to large-scale construction and to demolition of the historic sites in the Aalmarkt area, the coalition led by the Labor Party (PvdA), circumvented attempts by the opposition parties to require preservation of historic monuments as well as to require competitive bidding and plan proposals, thus retaining complete control of the development within the cabinet of the mayor and aldermen. After several months of further work on the drawing boards, that group intends to present a choice to the council of two development alternatives, both of which presuppose large-scale demolition to accomplish the amount of new floor-space for large stores that private investors want to build where numerous sixteenth and seventeenth-century houses and other historic monuments now stand. The cabinet of the mayor and alderman have expressed their entire confidence in the ability of the single private development company they have chosen (without competitive bidding) to achieve plans which will represent the best way to accomplish a profitable future for the city's selected investors and to provide employment to local contractors who traditionally support the Labor Party. The damaging effects on existing small businesses and the traffic chaos that can be foreseen are very sensitive to the fact that one of the major investors, AHOLD, has discovered that its American shoppers are unhappy that their money is going to a company that intends to participate in the destruction of an aspect of [history] are topics that were postponed by promising future clarification. Recent architectural surveys of the buildings prove that the hospital wing where Myles Standish recuperated from wounds is practically intact, with enough of its timber roof from 1571 still there to make complete restoration a real possibility. The cabinet, however, has explicitly retained the "right" to determine that such monuments will be demolished if it is otherwise impossible to achieve the financial goals of the property developer and the investors. In a public debate (Sept. 5) and at an open meeting of the town council's Commission on Urban Planning (Sept. 7), numerous groups hoping to improve the city through preserving its cultural and historic fabric echoed the pleas of the (essentially powerless) National Monument Service and spoke in favor of development without demolition. These groups included the Aalmarkt Foundation, The Leiden Cultural Platform, The Leiden Antiquarian Association "Oud Leiden", The Heritage Preservation Society "Heemschut", The Arent van 's-Gravezande Foundation for Architectural Heritage Preservation, and The Leiden American Pilgrim Museum. The public response is overwhelmingly in favor of preservation, and several speakers specifically pointed out the need to preserve places that serve to commemorate the city's role in the Pilgrim story, in addition to the widespread general concern that a few politicians and their friends, making decisions behind closed doors, are destroying irrevocably the city these citizens love. AHOLD is the Dutch holding company that owns STOP & SHOP, Giant-Landover, Giant-Carlisle, Tops Markets, BI-LO, and Pathmark Stores. Your letter to AHOLD will help in the preservation effort. Write to: Royal Ahold P.O.Box 3050 1500 HB Zaandem, The Netherlands e-mail: corp.communications@corp.ahold.nl Another company interested in investing in this demolition is the Fortis Financial Group. They are included among the addresses to which all reports from the developer are sent. You may want to contact their American offices, also. Write to: Fortis Investors Inc. P.O.Box 64284 St. Paul, MN 55164 or contact them at e-mail: financial@us.fortis.com It is impossible to predict the outcome of this conflict between the interests of those with hopes for a future grounded in the reminders of a proud heritage and the interests of those searching to maximize profits in the short term. Your letters will count, now. Thank you, Jeremy Dupertuis Bangs ==============================================================

Hello List Members... On Oct 21, 1892, there was big "Columbia Day" celebration in downtown Los Angeles. This was to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Columbus's arrival in the "New World". A fireworks show was organized. Well, you can guess the rest. Some rockets exploded, shooting shrapnel into the crowd. About eight people were killed, mostly young boys who were close to the box of rockets. Does anyone here have relatives that died on Oct 21, 1892? I have lots of material on the explosion, and will post the names of the victims soon. Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Hello from Ohio again. I'm looking for a marriage for Barbara Yvonne Scott. She was born 12/20/1926 in San Luis Obispo. So I guess the marriage would have been the late 40's early 50's. Her mother was Edna Loveland Littlejohn, father William Walter Scott. I think this lady may still be alive. Her mother was the sister of my grandmother who was separated from her sisters when their mother died in abt 1902 . My grandmother came to Ohio then and was adopted by an Uncle. My father never knew of his cousins till the wonder of the Internet. Thanks for any help, Rick.

Hello from Ohio, Is there any obits on line for San Diego in 1983? If not could someone help me find one for an Edna Loveland Scott (Littlejohn) she was born in Salinas on Jan.6,1896. She died Dec. 24 1983 in San Diego. Thanks Rick

Since the last few days have seen a few questions re Stockton St. Hosp., I thought to repost this from Su. With thanks again for all the work she did. I've a large folder of her extracts from Hutching's Mag., some great insights on early CA history. Phil pvc@vancamp.org . ----- Original Message ----- From: Su Jacobsen <sujac@pipeline.com> To: <NORCAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 8:39 AM Subject: Stockton Insane Asylum - Hutchings Magazine > The following was extracted form Hutchings' California Magazine of September > 1859: > > If any person would fully realize the untold blessedness of a sound mind, > let him pay at least one visit to the Asylum for the Insane. The vessel > that left our port but yesterday with every timber sound and every rope and > sail in order, her captain skillful and her crew able seamen, spreads her > canvas to the breeze and rides in majesty past the rocky shores of the > Golden Gate and out to sea,may, even then the pilot is at the helm, and > after braving in safety many a storm, strike some unknown and unexpected > reef and become a total wreck. How very often is it thus with the human mind? > > A few days ago we visited the Asylum which the State has provided for the > unfortunately afflicted. > > The building is in the suburbs of the city of Stockton, about 3/4 mile NE of > the steamboat landing. It poses a very inviting and exterior. The > beautiful flower and luxuriant foliage of its well laid out and cleanly kept > ground- the work of the patients themselves, tend to relieve it of that > repulsiveness which many very naturally feel when visiting such an institution. > > We had scarcely rang the bell and shown into a sitting room on the left of > the entrance, when the resident physician, Dr. Aylett offered to escort us > to see for ourselves the various phases of the minds diseased. > > But, as the Doctor was called away, while he is absent, will relate to the > reader that Capt. C. M. Weber of Stockton, donated 100acres of land to the > State for this purpose. May 15, 1854, and act was passed and appropriations > made by the State Legislature, establishing the asylum. About 20 acres are > in heavy cultivation, from which an ample supply of vegerables are obtained. > As there are about 1500 fruit grees, fruit will be obtained next year in > abundance. > > The buildings are commodius and conveniently arranged. The main structure > is 70' square and 3 stories high, to which 2 wings have been added of the > same height, each 100' long. There are 2 large yards, male and female > inclosed by a 12' wall at the lowest grade line. > > Management is entrusted to a Board of 5 Trustees, appointed by the > legislature, who discharge their duties without compensation, and whose > terms expire in 1861. Dr. William D. Aylett is the resident Resident > Physician at $5000.00 per annum. Dr. Thomas Kendall is Visiting Physician > at $3000.00 per annum. > > As we walk the first floor, we cannot determine if the large porportion of > men walking around or engaged in employment were patients or employees. Our > guid stated that they were patients of the milder tyle. > > In the yard, some were sitting in the shade of a tree, playing games like > "Fox and Geese". Others looked on. There was a wooden town and a 7000gal. > water tower into which water is pumped by steam power and distributed to > pipes throughout the buildings. There is also a dining room and hot and > cold baths for the nem who are required to bathe once a week, some twice a > week, and others every day, just as their case requires. > > >From the yard we reenter the building and examine the storerooms, > kitchen-range, and other apartments on the ground floor. Then we ascended > the second story. The corridors were divided into several compartments by > stong lattice work, the doors of which were kept locked. The patients here > had a more malignant form of the disease and, although a few were occupied > in some useful or amusing activity, a large portion were wandering up and > down, talking to them selves, others, as though glad to see strange faces, > sought us for their auditors. > > We often heard our name several times pronounced by different persons with > the inquiry "Don't you know me, Mr. ______?", and for some of those, too, > whom we had known under very prosperous circumstances, several long, long, > years ago. How Change, Disappointment, and Misfortune sometimes do their > work! We noticed, too, that although their hands were extended to us in > warmth and kindness, and their faces were lighted up with a gleam of > brightness, it was but momentary. > > >From this point, we passed the female department, and which was as cleanly > kept as that of the males. Here, one woman, who had passed the prime of > life, was engaged in working a sampler, on which a rude attempt was made to > give it the resemblance of a planet, under which she persisted she had been > born; some nodded and smiled; others looked solemn and melancholy; others, > again, were sewing and knitting, and reading. > > It is a depressing sight, indeed, to witness either man or woman, when > reason is dethroned; but it is a wise provision of the State that such > should be well cared for, and by kind and suitable treatment, both physical > and mental, restored to their former sanity. > > The most prolific causes of insanity, we regret to learn, are masturbation > and intemperance, especially the former; next to these, want of chastity and > incontinence is another very productive source of this malady; to these add > physical debility, loss of property, disappointment in love, puerperal > fever, spiritualism, religious excitement, epilepsy, fright, and various > other evils, both mental and physical. > > The number of patients under treatment in this institution are 280 males and > 66 females. > > Extracted by Su Jacobsen > > >