Edward Black asked about a list on townships in L.A. County of 1870. Source: Reproduction of "History of Los Angeles County California..." [long title], Thompson & West, publishers, Oakland, CA, 1880. First, another update on old business, SAN JOSE TOWNSHIP: Looks like San Jose Twp. might basically be the eastern San Gabriel Valley, east of El Monte. See map in "Los Angeles In Civil War Days, 1860-65," by John W. Robinson, Dawson's Bookshop (publisher), 1977 -- showing location of the ranchos La Puente and Rincon de la Brea and "San Jose Addition." Now for another toughie: LOS NIETOS TOWNSHIP (quote from History of Los Angeles County above): "The township of Los Nietos was erected out of El Monte township, November 4, 1857, and contained (in whole or in part) the following ranchos: -- [table listing ranchos Paso De Bartolo, Santa Gertrudes, Los Coyotes, and Los Cerritos] [new paragraph] The township has an extreme length from north-east to south-west of about twenty-one miles, with an average width of say eight miles from north-west to south-east. About one-half of this area is in cultivation, the remainder being used principally for sheep pasturage. With the exception of the Pico hills on the north-east, and the Cerritos hills on the south-west, nearly the whole township is valley land, generally fit for small grains." From the map in "Los Angeles in Civil War Days," it looks like Los Nietos Twp. might more or less have extended along the San Gabriel River. Paso de Bartolo was sort of east-southeast of downtown L.A. and bisected by the San Gabriel River. South of that was Santa Gertrudes, and south of that was Los Cerritos and Los Coyotes (Los Cerritos and Los Coyotes were next-door to each other, sharing a commom north-south border, with that border just west of the San Gabriel River. Los Cerritos was directly west of Los Coyotes. Los Cerritos was a few miles north of Signal Hill.) The History of Los Angeles County book cited above mentions these towns and/or settlements within the Los Nietos Township: Downey City, Gallatin, College Settlement, Old Los Nietos, Pico's Ranchito, and Fulton Wells. Maybe more later, maybe not. I am recovering from the flu, or trying to, and feel yucchy. Lester Powers lesterps@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Lester... GREAT posts! It's nice to see people giving to the list rather than just asking for something... Joe --- Lester M Powers <lesterps@juno.com> wrote: > Edward Black asked about a list on townships in L.A. > County of 1870. > > Source: Reproduction of "History of Los Angeles > County > California..." [long title], Thompson & West, > publishers, > Oakland, CA, 1880. > > WILMINGTON TOWNSHIP: "Wilmington township contains > two > large grants of land, entitled respectively Rancho > San > Pedro and Rancho Los Palos Verdes, also small > portions > of the San Antonio and Tajanta Ranchos." > > There is no way I'm going to promise this is true, > but > it looks like Wilmington Township included what is > today > the Palos Verdes peninsula, Torrance, Compton, > Carson, > Wilmington, and San Pedro. The eastern border may > have > run somewhere along the Los Angeles River. Very > hard > to say. This is blurry stuff. > > Town of COMPTON, within Wilmington Township: I > thought > someone might get a kick out of this, so to speak: > "There is no saloon in the place. There have been > four > started in succession, and all starved out. The > last > one traded his house and stock for a shot gun. > There is > said to be not brandy enough in the district to make > sauce for a pudding." > > Compton was within Wilmington Township. Kinda sorta > looks like it was at Wilmington's northeast corner. > Two maps show Compton at the same location where it > is today, both in the book: "City-Makers: The > Story > of Southern California's First Boom, 1868-76," by > Rami Nadeau, Trans-Anglo Books, Los Angeles, 1965. > > Speaking of maps, well, remember how last time I > said > that the settlement of Spadra was in SAN JOSE > TOWNSHIP? > The "City-Makers" map shows Spadra located east of > the San Jose hills (which are north of the Puente > hills) > and west of Pomona, where Pomona has the same > location > it does today, at least approximately. > > More later, unless someone yells 'cause I talk too > much. > > Lester Powers > lesterps@juno.com > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE > software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

Edward Black asked about a list on townships in L.A. County of 1870. Source: Reproduction of "History of Los Angeles County California..." [long title], Thompson & West, publishers, Oakland, CA, 1880. WILMINGTON TOWNSHIP: "Wilmington township contains two large grants of land, entitled respectively Rancho San Pedro and Rancho Los Palos Verdes, also small portions of the San Antonio and Tajanta Ranchos." There is no way I'm going to promise this is true, but it looks like Wilmington Township included what is today the Palos Verdes peninsula, Torrance, Compton, Carson, Wilmington, and San Pedro. The eastern border may have run somewhere along the Los Angeles River. Very hard to say. This is blurry stuff. Town of COMPTON, within Wilmington Township: I thought someone might get a kick out of this, so to speak: "There is no saloon in the place. There have been four started in succession, and all starved out. The last one traded his house and stock for a shot gun. There is said to be not brandy enough in the district to make sauce for a pudding." Compton was within Wilmington Township. Kinda sorta looks like it was at Wilmington's northeast corner. Two maps show Compton at the same location where it is today, both in the book: "City-Makers: The Story of Southern California's First Boom, 1868-76," by Rami Nadeau, Trans-Anglo Books, Los Angeles, 1965. Speaking of maps, well, remember how last time I said that the settlement of Spadra was in SAN JOSE TOWNSHIP? The "City-Makers" map shows Spadra located east of the San Jose hills (which are north of the Puente hills) and west of Pomona, where Pomona has the same location it does today, at least approximately. More later, unless someone yells 'cause I talk too much. Lester Powers lesterps@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

You have really gone way beyond what anyone could even imagine to help others. May the Lord bless you and yours abundantly. LJ

I am looking for three articles on my STAGG ancestor as published in the Highland Park Herald from 1906-1907. Other than the Los Angeles Public Library - is there any other resource that I can contact? Thanks, Bev White Chalfont, PA.

Hi, Is there SKS out there who would be willing to look up a obit, death certificate and birth certificate for me in Los Angeles County? His name is Robert Fleming BERNARD, born 13 Jan 1923 in Los Angeles County, the CABI doesn't list his first name. He died 2/3/1997 also in Los Angeles County. His father was Roland BERNARD and his mother Matilda FLEMING. I'm trying to determine if his father is the same Roland Bernard who died in El Dorado County in 1987. Thanks for your help. =^..^= Ronna ronna@inreach.com Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness in El Dorado County, CA Member NGS Dumas-Morris Genealogy http://www.geo.com/rldumas.geo Hubbell-Stevens Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Palance/9469

Diane; Got a death notice and an obit. Also did the DC transcript for you. Need an address to send the obits to: Source: San Diego 187-833 + 834 Name: James Kirby Wainwright 4242 Spring St #12, La Mesa, CA Died: 10/12/1982, 5:07 pm, Villa View Hospital, San Diego Male, while, SS#437-01-5318, married, age 61, warehouseman for Nasco shipbuilding x 20 years. Spouse: Sally Reeves Birth: 11/26/1920, Louisiana FA: Edward Wainwright, LA MO: Ethel Smith, LA Cause: Cardiac arrest, CAD, Arteriosclerosis Dr: Stewart Stein Mort: Lewis Colonial/Benbough Buried: 10/18/1982, Holy Cross Cemetery, San Diego Informant: Ethel Zerick, daughter Don't forget to send your address. Donna At 08:54 PM 10/5/00 -0700, Diane Faye wrote: >Donna, Help! I just realized I gave you the name of the wrong James >WAINWRIGHT who died in SD! > >This is the right one if you would be soooo kind as to recheck the next >time you get a chance. I am so sorry for the mix up! > >WAINWRIGHT, James Kirby >b 11-26-1920/Louisiana >d 10-12-1982/SD Co. > >I can't believe I screwed up like this. > >Diane Faye >OC > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Donna@MBS <mbs@inland.net> >> To: <CASANDIE-L@rootsweb.com>; <CA-DEATH-INDEX-L@rootsweb.com>; ><SOCAL-L@rootsweb.com>; Diane Faye <califmom@myself.com> >> Date: 10/05/2000 8:43:53 PM >> Subject: Re: SD death/obit >> >> Diane; >> I could not find an obit for James, but did get you a DC transcript. >> >> Source: San Diego 349-184 >> Name: James Christopher Wainwright >> 460 H Avenue, Coronado, CA >> Died: 6:30 am, 11/18/1995, at home >> Male, Caucasian, divorced, age 70, SS# 567-26-5599, Aircraft Mechanic x 35 >> years in Civil Service. >> Spouse: Mary Wainwright (ex-wife) >> Birth: 2/15/1925, IL >> FA: James Francis Wainwright, IL >> MO: Edna May Clough, IL >> Cause: Terminal Obstructive Lung Disease, Respiratory Arrest >> Dr: Kenneth A. Warm >> Mort: Pinkham-Mitchell Mortuary >> Burial: 11/22/1995 Holy Cross Cemetary >> Informant: Ex-wife >> Education: 12 years >> In County: 55 years >> >> Hope this helps. >> Donna >> >> >> >> >> At 05:55 PM 9/16/00 -0400, Diane Faye wrote: >> >Hello Donna: >> > >> >Please advise if you can check for an obit and do a death cert trans for >> the following research interest: >> > >> >WAINWRIGHT, James >> >b 2-15-25/LA >> >d 11-18-1995/Coronardo, San Diego Co. >> > >> >I am happy to look up something for you in OC or to reimburse for your >costs. >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Diane Faye >> >SO CAL >> > >> >______________________________________________ >> >FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >> >Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >

Richard; Got your obit. Please send an address to send it to. Also got a DC transcription for you. Source: San Diego 109-715 Name: James L. Stroup Died: 6/5/1966, 12:40 pm, at The Cloisters of Mission Hills, 3680 Reynard Way, San Diego Male, white, widower, age 85, Bath house owner Birth: 7/13/1880, MO FA: Austin Stroup, PA MO: Lillian D. Chilton, MO Cause: Arteriosclerotic Heart Disease, Senile Changes. Dr: Ewinton Fetter Mort: Greenwood Mortuary Burial: 6/8/1966, Glen Abbey Memorial Park Informant: Lillie May Napper (same address) In County and State: 63 years Hope this helps. Don't forget to send your address for the obit. Donna At 08:09 PM 10/4/00 -0700, Sandra Harris wrote: >Nothing in the San Diego Union, sorry. Sandra >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Setser [mailto:sets1@prodigy.net] >Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 3:11 PM >To: sandrah@ix.netcom.com >Subject: James L. Stroup > > >I'm trying to research my uncle James L. Stroup who died in San Diego, CA on >June 15, 1966. He was born July 13, 1880. > >Your note says you would be willing to look up an obit in the San Diego >area. If you could do that for me it would be greatly appreciated. > >Thank you. > >Richard Setser >sets1@prodigy.net > > >

Robert; Did some more checking on the Reiffel name again. Found the DC for Elizabeth and also found one for a Nancy. Did her as well since she could be related. Found Obit for Elizabeth and she is the wife of Charles. Found a death notice for Nancy as well. Need your address to send them to. Could not find any marriage info. They must have married outside of San Diego County. Here are the DCs: Source: San Diego 54-191 Name: Elizabeth Frances Reiffel 4849 Kenmore Terrace, San Diego, CA Died: 1-19-1944, 7pm, at home Female, white, widower, housewife, age 68 years 10 months 30 days Spouse: Charles Reiffel Birth: 2/20/1875, Ireland FA: Thomas Flanagan, Ireland MO: Beatrice Roache, Ireland Cause: Adeno-carcinoma of Uterus, Carcinoma of bladder and Rectum. Dr: Viola J. Erlanger Mort: Bradley-Woolman Mortuary Burial: Greenwood Mausoleum, 1/22/1944 Informant: Mrs. Sanford Goodson, Rochester, Massachusetts In county and state: 25 years Source: San Diego 24-1364 Name: Nancy Ellen Marshall Reiffel 5300 Orange Avenue, San Diego Died: 6/13/1928, at home Female, white, widow, age 88 years 3 months 22 days Spouse: Jacob Reiffel (could not find his DC) Birth: 2/22/1840, Ohio FA: Atwell Marshall, Virginia MO: Unknown, Ohio Cause: Chronic nephritis - intersitial, Hypostatic pneumonia Dr: E. Blanch Ramar Mort: Benbough Funeral Parlors Cremated: 6/15/1928 Clover Lawn Crematory Informant: Ada Keeley In CA: 2 1/2 years Hope these help. Donna At 03:12 PM 10/9/00 EDT, RykerRiker@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/6/00 10:49:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mbs@inland.net >writes: > ><< Robert; > Well, believe it or not, there is no obit on this guy and I checked three >papers. Maybe he is like most artists and don't become famous until after >they die. Anyway, I did do an death cert transcription for you that will >verify the parentage. Here it is: (snip) >> > >Most interesting, Donna! I'm really *surprised* that there was no obit in >the San Diego papers, since Reiffel built his reputation as a landscape >painter while residing in southern Calif. You might be interested to know >that some of his larger paintings now sell for upwards of $10,000! I'm going >to be in Indianapolis (Reiffel's birthplace) next week, so while there I'll >check the newspapers on the assumption there could have been a "famous >hometown boy dies" article in one of their local newspapers. > >About the only item in the death certif. that leaves me puzzled is the >identity of Charles' wife, "Elizabeth F. Reiffel (age 67)" The only marriage >record that I have for Charles was to one "Louisa Bratton" (no age given), >whom he married in Marion County, Indiana on 3 May 1898. Now Elizabeth's >birth yr. would have been abt 1875, which makes her some 13 yrs younger than >Charles -- therefore maybe a *second* wife? -- but she was surely about the >right age (23) for marriage in 1898, so I have no basis here for concluding >that "Louisa" and "Elizabeth F." are actually different people, despite their >radically different names! Any ideas on how to pursue this further? > -------------------------- ><< I looked for marriage records as well and failed there as well. >> > >Over what time period did you search, Donna? According to the following >quoted material, the Reiffels moved to Calif. in abt 1925: > >"In 1925, Reiffel and his wife went to Southern California and were so taken >with the countryside, they moved near San Diego. His landscapes of southern >California brought him fame, and he also painted the Grand Canyon and other >Southwest landscapes. He died in San Diego on March 14, 1942." > > ---- from AskArt.com website > >Note that this relocation date of 1925 is consistent w/ the death cert >statement "In County and State: 18 years" So I guess the time period to >search would be 1925 - 1942. > -------------------------- >Well, Donna, I surely appreciate your efforts in getting me the info >requested!! You have helped me confirm a number of facts about which I was >uncertain, and that's always a big help. > >Now, what do I owe you for your time & travel expenses? Please provide your >mailing address so I can send you a reimbursement check promptly! > >Much in your debt, > >Robert C. Kryter (1st cousin twice removed to Chas. P. Reiffel) >Loudon, Tennessee > >

Kathy; I got your DC transcript which I will list here. There is a probate file, but I was unable to get a copy as I have to go to Vista. It is not in Central Records. I need to know what you want copied in the file. Copies cost $1 each. DC Transcription Source: San Diego 372-1219 Name: Charles Richard Baker 11105 Meadow Glen Way East, Escondido, CA 92026 Died: 7/21/1997, 6 am, at home Male, White, SS# 564-14-5572, married, age 76, Physician (medicine) Spouse: Phyllis Jean Flanegan Birth: 10/4/1920, California FA: George Baker, Massachusetts MO: Maybel Louise Taft, Massachusetts Cause: Carcinoma of Pancreas Dr: Jeng-Hsien Chen Mort: Telophase Cremation Society Cremated: 7/23/1997, remains to wife Informant: Wife Military: Yes In Co: 25 years Education: 33 years Hope this helps. Let me know what you need from the probate file. Donna At 03:12 PM 9/20/00 +0200, Bakers wrote: >Hi. I'm looking for a copy of a death record and Will for Charles >Richard Baker, DOD 21 JUL 1997, in Escondido, San Diego County. Is it >possible for you to do this? > >I am also a volunteer with CDs I own for another CD volunteer site. I >thank you. > >Kathy Baker > > >

Edward Black asked about a list on townships in L.A. County of 1870. I've been meaning to get around to ancient L.A. geography for some time, seeing as how I live here, and this is enough of an excuse. Source: Reproduction of "History of Los Angeles County California..." [long title], Thompson & West, publishers, Oakland, CA 1880. Now, for the moment, just these two. SOLEDAD TOWNSHIP: "This is the most northerly of the townships being - 'All that part of Los Angeles county, lying north of the summit Ridge of the Sierra Madre or Main Coast Range,' which range here inclines suddenly inland, surrounding and inclosing [sic] the great Los Angeles valley. [paragraph] The area of Soledad township is about one million two hundred thousand square acres, or say something more than one-third the entire area of the whole county. ..." Southern Pacific Railroad stations within Soledad Township in 1880 include Lancaster, Alpine, Acton, Ravenna (Soledad City), Lang, Kent, and Newhall. At the time, Newhall was a town. SAN JOSE TOWNSHIP: This one is actually awfully hard to try to understand in the book. I think I might have this right, but I promise nothing. "There are four small settlements in this township, viz.: Spadra, Pomona, Loop's settlement and Palomares' settlement." San Jose Twp. kinda sorta looks like it is in or among the San Jose Valley. Includes these private ranchos: Rincon De La Brea, Los Nogales, San Jose, and La Puente. On my trusty DeLorme atlas, I see the San Jose Hills west of modern Pomona and Claremont and south of modern Glendora and east of modern La Puente and West Covina. But I see no San Jose Valley. San Jose Township has just gotta be in the west of and probably including Pomona. More later. Lester Powers lesterps@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi, Is there SKS out there who would be willing to look up a obit, death certificate and birth certificate for me in Los Angeles County? His name is Robert Fleming BERNARD, born 13 Jan 1923 in Los Angeles County, the CABI doesn't list his first name. He died 2/3/1997 also in Los Angeles County. His father was Roland BERNARD and his mother Matilda FLEMING. I'm trying to determine if his father is the same Roland Bernard who died in El Dorado County in 1987. Thanks for your help. =^..^= Ronna ronna@inreach.com Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness in El Dorado County, CA Member NGS Dumas-Morris Genealogy http://www.geo.com/rldumas.geo Hubbell-Stevens Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Palance/9469

I would like to request two Nivison obits and death certificate transcriptions if someone can do this for me. Thanks in advance. Theodore Eloysius Nivison b. 7-19-1891 in MI d. 6-20-1951 in Los Angeles Co., CA William NIVISON b. 7-22-1898 in MI d. 2-20-1942 in Los Angeles Co., CA Thanks someone so much. Marguerite Nivison Wichita, KS

I checked on-line for "swedish assembly" ... LA Times for the last 5 years LA Public Library catalog MELVYL ( Univ of Calif system) library catalog None of them had anything on that search term. You might contact the LAPL on line or by phone & ask for a Librarian to check for a history of religion book to see if it would be indexed. There are several religious colleges & libraries in the LA area. Perhaps you could search Yahoo, AltaVista etc. & contact their libraries. Phil pvc@vancamp.org . ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lindholm <rogersplace@speedchoice.com> To: <SOCAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:32 PM Subject: Church Records Los Angeles Area > > Hello List. > *****EDITED***** > I am looking for the records of a Church refereed to by my gg grandfather as being the Swedish Tabernacle. > Roger Lindholm Scottsdale, Arizona

Los Nietos is near where the present day city of Norwalk is. San Gabriel Township is where the present day San Gabriel is. Wilmington Township [modern Wilmington?] YES > Compton-Wilmington Township [modern Compton?] YES Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

> Hello List. I am looking for the records of a Church refereed to by my gg grandfather as being the Swedish Tabernacle. I believe it would have been near the downtown area circa 1900 through 1921. Peter Lars Lindholm was a member. He used his initials instead of his name and was refereed to as P L Lindholm. One of his sons Frank died in 1912, his first wife in 1913. He remarried in 1914 and died in i921. They are interned in Forest Lawn, Glendale California. As far as I know he retired to Reedly California in the early 1900's owned a ranch in the area, his son Frank worked on a ranch in Fresno, and he and his wife Ellen retired to Los Angeles circa 1910. Any information would be a help. I do not know what denomination the tabernacle would have been and have not been able to find a record of its existence. Roger Lindholm Scottsdale, Arizona

Is there not a CA Marriage Index that we can look at? If you go thru the Vitals Dept. you have to pay such high prices for a copy or certified copy. Get real, $15, $12, I think not at this time, Any help or suggestions would be great if you know of another way of getting these records. E-mail Wayne at JUBLIZARD@aol.com Thanks, Wayne & Judie Blizard

I need some help locating several Townships that existed in 1870 Los Angeles County. At that time, there was no Orange County [which was part of Los Angeles County at that time] so several of the Townships may have been located in what is today's Orange County. I am preparing to transcribe the 1870 Federal Census for Los Angeles County so it can be placed online for researchers to use, but I need help identifying some of these Townships: Agala-El Monte Township [in today's El Monte area?] Los Angeles Township [seperate from the City of Los Angeles so it must be the area around the City of Los Angeles at that time--suberbs?] Los Nietos Township [no idea where this was at] San Gabriel Township [near modern day San Gabriel in the San Gabriel Valley somewhere?] Santa Ana Township [modern Santa Ana in Orange County?] Anaheim-Santa Ana Township [modern Anaheim in Orange County?] San Jose Township [never heard of this one in connection with Los Angeles or Orange Counties] Soladad Township [never heard of this township in connection with Los Angeles or Orange Counties] Wilmington Township [modern Wilmington?] Compton-Wilmington Township [modern Compton?] Any help identifying these would be most appreciated Sincerely, Edward, Sr.

I Folks I am new to the list. I am trying to locate the Helderle Family. William Anderson Blizzard and Evangeline Harper Blizzard had a daughter Oretta (Ora) Mae Blizzard that was born in Iowa and she married a man by the name of HELDERLE. According to her mother and father's obituaries she was living in Linwood in LA County in the 1929 and 1930's and in her brother's obituaries living in Alhambra during the 1940 and 1950's. I found that Ora died April 30, 1970 in Los Angeles County. I would like for someone to transcribe or send copy of obituary for me. Maybe in this way I could find out who she married. Are the marriage records made available without going thru all of red tape and cost to get one? I have not been able to find any California marriage records. Ora and Mr. Helderle had 3 children, (1) Evelyn B. Helderle born Mar. 2, 1913, (2) Unnamed Male born Aug. 15. 1916, and (3) Donald Elroy Helderle born Feb. 27, 1927. I have been working with a lady on the NORCAL list that has just been a super special person in helping me get the data of the Blizzard's of Northern California. William Blizzard left NC for California. On his was he made a stop off in Des Moines, Iowa where he married and they had 3 boys and a girl (Ora) and when they arrived in CA they had one more boy. I have been able to track all of the down, except for Ora and her family. I need some history on these folks. E-mail address at JUBLIZARD@aol.com Thank you much, Wayne K. Blizard Winston-Salem, NC

I understand that my aunt was baptized in the Evangelical Lutheran Church. Her name was Cornelia C. Dodge B.1867 Father Jesse Dodge Mother Susan or Susannah no last name. This is what I am after. Maybe my grandmother may have been also Julia Ann Dodge B.Feb 3 1864 I can't get an address for the church in Los Angeles or the surrounding areas. I imagine in those days it was all Los Angeles and not the out lying areas that there are now.