Dear friends, I was in an orphanage as a child and am searching for my roots. I just got transcriptions of death certificates for Kenneth and Helen COLE (see below). Their residence at death was Santa Monica. Does anyone go to a library [ie. Carson library?] that has microfilm of the The Daily Breeze newspaper? Or another newspaper that might have their obituaries? Could you -please - do a look up? About Westwood Village Memorial Park & Mortuary; 1-800-966-5113; 1218 Glendon Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90024-4914 Phone: (310) 474-1579 Personnel told me yesterday that I must get a court order-from a judge to get any info from them. What is your experience, friends? Can I find if their cremated remains are at the Westwood cemetery? Of course maybe their ashes were 'scattered'. About the Neptune Society, 562 South Palos Verdes Street, San Pedro, CA 90731; Ph: (310) 831-0664 or 1-800-201-3315. Yesterday, they said they don't know what from their records they can provide to me. I spoke to Attorney John Erpelding, yesterday. He said Kenneth and Helen COLE had a married son (abt age 70) still living in California in 1988 when Helen died who is probably still be alive. This is a surprise, because I had been told that the son had died in an accident in Hawaii when he was a teenager. This attorney said a woman attorney in Orange County handled Helen COLE's estate. Do you think I can find Helen's "will" or probate record in Orange County? The attorney said Kenneth COLE was a noted aviator/ pilot. That once the newspaper carried a story about his narrow escape when his plane controls failed and while in flight, he gave his wife step by step instructions as she crawled into the fuselage and fixed the problem. Do you think I can find the probate record of Kenneth COLE's estate? Kenneth COLE was one of my father's 4 older brothers. He took flight training in the Army Air Corps with Charles Lindbergh and was in WWI . He was involved with the start of the early Cleveland, Ohio airport He may have been involved with the Curtiss-Wright Historical Association 2735 Airport Dr Torrance, CA 90505-0000 Phone: (310) 325-6155 Any help will be most appreciated. Gratefully, Mary Kay Cole Ward, 1432 Yeardley Drive, Richmond, Virginia 23225; Ph 804-232-9338. DEATH certificate info: Kenneth R. COLE: age 76 died 27 Aug 1978 at White Memorial Hospital, 1720 Brooklyn Ave, Los Angeles; residence: 914 21st St, Santa Monica; He was owner of Duraware Plastic Co; Cremated 1 Sep 1978 Grandview Crematory, Glendale; Funeral Director: Westwood Village Mortuary Helen Foshay COLE age 83 died 22 Sep1988 at St. John's Hospital, 1328 22nd St, Santa Monica; Residence: 2107 Ocean Ave #308, Santa Monica; Attorney John Lo Erpelding, 1061 Villa View Dr, Pacific Palisades 90272; Cremated 27 Sep 1988 Dilday Mottells, 1250 Pacific, Long Beach; Funeral Director: Neptune Society Thanks for any help, friends. Gratefully, Mary Kay Cole Ward in Richmond, VA

Hello, I have located the following obituary for my ancestor, Ever Rasmussen Tomren, who died March 16, 1931 in Hawthorne, CA. It lists his address as 424 Menlo Ave., Hawthorne, CA. I am interested in the existence of any old maps of this area to see whereabouts this property was. I've driven down today's Menlo Ave. but the numbers do not correspond. Also, family history has it that Ever's son Ingvald had a chicken farm in Lennox - possible that these properties were one and the same. I am not familiary with researching land records in this area. Any help would be appreciated. THank you very much! Holly Tomren > E.R. Tomren > Herved bekjendtgjøres for Slekt og Venner, at min kjære Mand Ever Andreas > R. Tomren den 16de Marts efter nogen Tids Lidelse af Kræft er afgaaet ved > Døden hos Sønnen Ingvald M. Tomren, Halvthorne, California, hvor han havde > sit hjem de sidste fire Aar. > Han var født i Tomra, Romsdalen, Norge, den 2den Febr. 1856, og blev > altsaa 75 Aar gammel. Han kom til Amerika 1881 og opholdt sig de første > fire Aar i North Dakota, kom derpaa til St. Paul, Minn., hvor han den 27de > Dec. blev gift med Milla B. Olson, som med fem Børn overlever ham. De > er: Ingvald M. Tomren og Mrs. Ovidia Nilsen Davis, Hollywood, Calif., Roy > K. Tomren og Iver A. Tomren, Minneapolis, Minn., samt Mrs. Mabel Antrus, > Cape Jeardeau, Mo. > Velsignet være hans Minde! > Hans sørgende Husfru, > Mrs. Milla Tomren. > 424 Menlo Ave., Malvthorne, Calif. > > E.R. Tomren > This hereby announces for family and friends, that my dear husband Ever > Andreas R. Tomren on the 16th of March after a period of suffering from > cancer passed away while living with his son Ingvald M. Tomren, Hawthorne, > California, where he had his home the last four years. > He was born in Tomra, Romsdalen, Norway, the 2nd of Febr. 1856, and was > therefore 75 years old (at the time of his death). He came to America in > 1881 and stayed the first four years in North Dakota, then moved to > St. Paul, Minn., where he on the 27th of Dec. married Milla B. Olson, who > with five children survives him. They (the children) are: Ingvald > M. Tomren and Mrs. Ovidia Nilsen Davis, Hollywood, Calif., Roy K. Tomren > and Iver A. Tomren, Minneapolis, Minn., and also Mrs. Mabel Antrus, Cape > Jeardeau, Mo. > Blessed is his memory! > His grieving wife, > Mrs. Milla Tomren > 424 Menlo Ave., Hawthorne, Calif.

1. You might try the Calif. Dept. of Motor Vehicles. They have a message forwarding service. www.dmv.ca.gov a. I'd send letters for Timothy, Jeff, & Patty. If DMV has multiple persons with each name, send as many letters as there are licenses. 2. Check CADI for the father's death cert. 3. Check CABI for Timothy, Jeff, Patty 4. Have CAMI checked for Timothy & Sandra Phil pvc@vancamp.org . ----- Original Message ----- From: Candy_B <cbservices@monmouth.com> To: <SOCAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:40 AM Subject: Help needed - O'Brien/Seekatz *****EDITED***** > Dear Socal Listers, > > My 2 cousins and I have been trying desperately to find a living > connection in this line for a couple years without any luck. We have > lots of info to share ... we can just reach Tim, or someone else from this line, > in some way. My hope is that, if someone isn't familiar with the > O'Briens in question, that perhaps you know a Seekatz relative who might > be able to help us make contact > > Posted by Timothy J. O'Brien on October 10, 1999 at 04:39:14: > He was married to Elisabeth (don't know her > surname). Their kids were Martin Henry (born in 1937)my father and . My father married Sandra Jo Seekatz in 1954. > They had four kids, Patty (1955) Jeff (1957) me Timothy (1963) and > Michael (1964).

Dear Socal Listers, I am hoping the message below, taken from a posting to one of the O'Brien message boards, will ring a bell with someone out there. I tried replying to this posting directly as well as leaving a posting on the list - email address <mikos@globalxs.nl> no longer correct and the name is too common to try switchboard.com or 411.com - because this is part of my family. I have added post-ems to all the pertinent CA birth and death listings, as well as SSDI listings, but have been unable to reach anyone. The email address that was connected with this posting was from a provider in the Netherlands - I even emailed them to see if the account was current because even though the email didn't bounce there was no reply after a week, and they advised that the account had been closed and they had no further information. I even had a friend who lives in the Netherlands try to find a listing there for me, to no avail. I even did a search engine search for the names, but there are lots of O'Briens with these first names. Given that the posting was about a year old when I first found it, it is possible that Tim is back in the US or on to another foreign country. My 2 cousins and I have been trying desperately to find a living connection in this line for a couple years without any luck. We have lots of info to share (all the way back to our 3rd g grandparents - Tim's 4th g grandparents - including a ton of information on his g grandfather), if we can just reach Tim, or someone else from this line, in some way. My hope is that, if someone isn't familiar with the O'Briens in question, that perhaps you know a Seekatz relative who might be able to help us make contact. If you are not comfortable sending info re a living relative, please just let them know that we are trying to find them and pass along my message and email address. > Posted by Timothy J. O'Brien on October 10, 1999 at 04:39:14: My name is Timothy John O'Brien, my grandfather's name was Donald O'Brien from Altadena. He was married to Elisabeth (don't know her surname). Their kids were Martin Henry (born in 1937)my father and my uncles Lewis and Donald. My father married Sandra Jo Seekatz in 1954. They had four kids, Patty (1955) Jeff (1957) me Timothy (1963) and Michael (1964). I am trying to find any relatives or anybody who can give me any info on our family. Thanks! > Thanks in advance for any help that anyone might be able to provide. -- Candy_B cbservices@monmouth.com Researching Bennett, Cooper, Vanderveer, Woolley & related families in NJ Researching O'Brien, Brown, Boyle, Cavanaugh, Noonan, Fitzgerald, Spellman, Messier (Macey), LaCroix (Cross), Blais (Blair), Durand, Simonneau, Chabbot (Jabbot, Jabaut), Boucher, Sharron and related families in NY, New England and Quebec

Photos of the 1925 Santa Barbara earthquake are now on America Hurrah. Bill http://americahurrah.com/SantaBarbara/Intro.htm

GO TO: GENEALOGY and HISTORY, at: http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/geneal.htm LOOK FOR: Hereditary Society Blue Book and Lineage Societies. Examples: Mayflower home page has information on the Mayflower, descendants and documents related to the Mayflower. . . . For Northern California Resource Information for Genealogy and Family History, review: UCD Melvyl® Library Information & Links http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/archive2.htm#shields The Melvyl® System Catalog Database currently shows 1033 items for the word "genealog*". They have on site, within the Shields Library, Internet Electronic access to the Biography and genealogy master index. BOOK REFERENCES (secondary sources): Browning, Charles Henry. Some Colonial Dames of royal descent; pedigrees showing the lineal descent from kings of some members of the National Society of the Colonial Dames of America, and of the Order of the Crown. Baltimore, Genealogical Pub. Co., 1969. 360 p. 23 cm. 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WHAT'S NEW ON THE BOOKSHELF: The Great Libraries (From Antiquity to the Renaissance - 3000 B.C. to A.D. 1600) The first English edition, copyright 2000, by Oak Knoll Press and The British Library, is an excellent reference oversize book of 563 pages; previously printed in Athens, Greece, by Epiphania S.A. [Z 723 S7313 2000] Knowledge concerning ancient libraries reveals "books" as articles of trade, with transition between individuals, rulers and depositories. Encyclopædia Britannica mentions in the history of England and Great Britain, that during Roman times, "The administrative capitals had regular street grids, a forum with basilica (public hall), public baths, and temples; a few had theatres and amphitheatres, too." "Provincial libraries were magnificent buildings, sometimes surpassing most of the imperial libraries in Rome . . ." Additionally, during the Roman Period, there were libraries in bath-houses. "The other library associated with Trajan was located in the baths named after him and was the earliest example of a bath-house library. {104}" [page 106, Ch. 6] . . . "they were equipped with training facilities for wrestling and all kinds of other athletic sports as well as bilingual libraries, to encourage the Romans to spend some of their leisure hours . . . on intellectual and literary pursuits." "Hadrian founded at least three libraries" and "HADRIAN'S WALL is the most important monument built by the Romans in Britain." http://www.hadrians-wall.org/ This book includes information on individual collections, such as "The Library of the Monastery of St. John on Patmos". [page 267, Ch. 13] "Deep in its heart lies its library, one of the oldest libraries in the world in terms of continued existence in one place, which still possesses a catalogue of the original nucleus of the library of its founder, St. Christodoulos"; aka John. The catalogue of c. 1350, puts the number of books in the library at 380, "and the monks were reading Xenophon, Diodorus Siculus and Plato. {14}" Writings of Diodorus contain some chronological markers, etc. that are also found in the monastic Irish Medieval Royalty Genealogies. "Problems were created for the library by the difficulty of enforcing the lending rules when books were lent to dozens of other monasteries and the Patmos monastery's own dependencies. By the fifteenth century the rules were no longer being strictly observed; it frequently happened that books were borrowed and not returned, and the number of classical works diminished in geometric progression. However, these losses were offset by handsome donations to the library, mainly from monasteries in Asia Minor which were trying to save their valuable possessions from the depredations of the Turks. {16}" For those interested in Women's Studies, Stewart Baldwin notes "The Ban-Shenchus", . . . "is a twelfth century work, existing in both verse and prose versions, which names a large number of Irish women, along with their parents, husbands, and children, and is an important primary source for the identities of the mothers of pre-Norman Irish leaders." http://www.rootsweb.com/~medieval/llywelyn.htm Comparison of queens in the Banshenchas with queens in the Annals of Ulster, done by Anne Connon, is just one of the sub-sections of Seanchas, Studies in Early and Medieval Irish Archaeology, History and Literature in Honour of Francis J. Byrne; Edited by Alfred P. Smyth; Four Courts Press Ltd; copyright 2000. Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/ Genealogy and History Internet Web Directory Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] Who's Who In The West, 1998/1999 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] ---------------------------------------------- Sandra Harris wrote: > Colonial Dames; Mayflower Society; Daughters of the Confederacy > > Does anyone know of websites to discover information on members of these > societies? > > Sandra

Could SKS please do an obituary lokup for Franklin Charles "Frank" LEAVITT who died 25 Apr 1957 in Long Beach, Los Angeles Co, CA Thanks in advance Lon Maosn

Everett-- Thanx for this. It is interesting. A good friend of mine is descended from the Vicente family. Donna & thanks from my friend Mary as well. Everett said: I didn't save all the Sawtell messages - the original oweners of the land may be old news. From "La Reina, A History of Los Angeles" written by Laurance L. Hill, Publicity Manager, Security-First National Bank, Copyright, 1931: page 79 "In 1887 General Nelson A. Miles, with Judge Bronson and other citizens cooperating, secured the donation of 300 acres of the old Vicente Rancho, and a like amount from the Wolfskill tract, upon which the Government built accommodations for 1,000 men, constituting the Sawtelle Soldiers' Home."

I didn't save all the Sawtell messages - the original oweners of the land may be old news. From "La Reina, A History of Los Angeles" written by Laurance L. Hill, Publicity Manager, Security-First National Bank, Copyright, 1931: page 79 "In 1887 General Nelson A. Miles, with Judge Bronson and other citizens cooperating, secured the donation of 300 acres of the old Vicente Rancho, and a like amount from the Wolfskill tract, upon which the Government built accommodations for 1,000 men, constituting the Sawtelle Soldiers' Home."

If someone in the Ojai area wouldn't mind transcribing a couple of obituaries for me I would appreciate it very much. If it isn't asking too much I would very much like a transcription of their death certificates if it is no hassle. My Grandmother Leoma Williamson b. 27 Nov 1901 Missouri d. 15 Nov 1973 Ojai and also My Step-grandfather Clyde Williamson b. 7 Feb 1886 d. 2 Jul 1974 Ojai Thank you very much!! Forrest Orndorff orndorfffo@butte.cc.ca.us

Hello again Lester-- Most of my research in CA is in Fresno Co. & the townships are very much a part of the old atlases, land record desciptions, etc, though you don't hear folks referring to Twp this or that like you do in other states. I think CA was uniform in the way land was described so maybe L.A. county used the Twp's for that & nothing else except at census time. Ah, Sweet Mysteries of Life. Donna Though I have searched, I have not yet found any relationship of L.A. townships to *anything.* They have no officers, no town halls, no selectmen, no councils, no PTA, no Jaycees, no mention on any map that I can find, no purpose, and no function. The ONLY hint I have is the fact that the original L.A. townships, as listed in the 1880 L.A. Co. history, each have a named "seat of justice." My *GUESS* is that townships had something to do with the county court system, like county superior court districts, or maybe some kind of divisions in the county for purposes of the sheriff. I get an odd feeling that if you asked a citizen living in Malibu Township in 1920 what or where Malibu Township was, he wouldn't know. The whole west side, and the northern part of the south bay, was in La Ballona Township in the late 1800s. The 1923 L.A. Co. history population table suggests that "Santa Monica Township with city" was carved out prior to 1890; so had "Redondo Township, including Hermosa Beach and Hermosa City," and "Comption Township and city." "Gardena Township" was carved out between 1900 and 1910, as was "Malibu Township with Sawtelle city." I don't know, but I sort of guess that Malibu Township may have arced over the top of Santa Monica Township, in 1920 or so, from Malibu to Sawtelle and may or may not have included another strange entity named Westgate in a belt from Beverly Hills to Santa Monica. By the way, for states with real townships, like Ohio, look at the DeLorme state atlas and gazetteer books to grapple with those. I don't have the Ohio volume, but do have Illinois, and the townships, with their boundaries, are clearly marked (though not indexed like towns are). The DeLorme atlases really are indespensible for most of the country. The southern California DeLorme atlas is useless for townships or other similar entities, but it does show where wide- place-in-the-road semivillages are. The atlases usually run about $17 per state. Lester

oops, I requested help the other day to try and find out where and cost of a permit to remove remains and forgot to say in LA county. The permit is for removal of remains from the Forest Lawn Cem. that was started in 1916. Thank you Lynn Welker

Hello! I don't know if you will be able to help me. I am looking for George and Lucille (nee Lang) Ferguson. They were husband and wife and moved from Chicago to Los Angeles in 1957. They had no children (that I am aware of), which makes it even harder. The came from Chicago, Ill and were born Abt. 1910 & 1920, respectively- though not necessarily in Chicago. I don't have any further info on George. I know this isn't much info to go on, but I'm hoping someone will recognize them. Thanks, Mary 2audit@mediaone.net -- o Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~isabell/

Donna and Mary: > I will comment on your last paragraph: Township names > usually have no relationship to being in or near the > town by the same name. Though I have searched, I have not yet found any relationship of L.A. townships to *anything.* They have no officers, no town halls, no selectmen, no councils, no PTA, no Jaycees, no mention on any map that I can find, no purpose, and no function. The ONLY hint I have is the fact that the original L.A. townships, as listed in the 1880 L.A. Co. history, each have a named "seat of justice." My *GUESS* is that townships had something to do with the county court system, like county superior court districts, or maybe some kind of divisions in the county for purposes of the sheriff. I get an odd feeling that if you asked a citizen living in Malibu Township in 1920 what or where Malibu Township was, he wouldn't know. The whole west side, and the northern part of the south bay, was in La Ballona Township in the late 1800s. The 1923 L.A. Co. history population table suggests that "Santa Monica Township with city" was carved out prior to 1890; so had "Redondo Township, including Hermosa Beach and Hermosa City," and "Comption Township and city." "Gardena Township" was carved out between 1900 and 1910, as was "Malibu Township with Sawtelle city." I don't know, but I sort of guess that Malibu Township may have arced over the top of Santa Monica Township, in 1920 or so, from Malibu to Sawtelle and may or may not have included another strange entity named Westgate in a belt from Beverly Hills to Santa Monica. By the way, for states with real townships, like Ohio, look at the DeLorme state atlas and gazetteer books to grapple with those. I don't have the Ohio volume, but do have Illinois, and the townships, with their boundaries, are clearly marked (though not indexed like towns are). The DeLorme atlases really are indespensible for most of the country. The southern California DeLorme atlas is useless for townships or other similar entities, but it does show where wide- place-in-the-road semivillages are. The atlases usually run about $17 per state. Lester ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hello, I am trying to find someone who may have access to voter's registration records for the 1980's (Los Angeles/Marina Del Rey area). If you can help, please reply privately, and I will provide additional information (SSN) Thanks, Marlinna Stringer Westbank, BC Canada

Lester-- Mary & I are in your debt again. Thank you for looking up the Township, etc. for her. I will comment on your last paragraph: Township names usually have no relationship to being in or near the town by the same name. This holds true in other states as well. For instance, on that I finally solved for my own satisfaction, Hamilton Co., OH, my ancestors were from Springdale, Springfield Twp, Hamilton Co. Well Springfield town is clear across the state & no where near Springfield Twp. In an adjacent county, other ancestors lived in Hamilton, Fairfield Twp. I think there must be a Fairfield Twp in every county in OH & Fairfield town in near Hamilton but not in that Twp. Now have I totally confused you? Thanx so much for your help on our question. Donna & friend Mary in TX Donna Hull wrote: > for 1920 census does anyone have a clue as to how that > area was listed in Los Angeles Co.? I'm assuming it > was L. A. Co. In my prior wild-guess opinion, I said that Sawtelle was probably in Malibu Township, L.A. County, in 1920, although this makes no sense. I did a little more research and find that Sawtelle was definitely in Malibu Township in 1920, although this still makes no sense. The book, "History of Los Angeles County," edited by John Steven McGroarty, 1923, gives a table of places with their populations of 1890, 1900, 1910, and 1920 on pages 22 and 23. On this table, one line is for "Malibu Township with Sawtelle city." Population numbers for 1890 and 1900 are blank (because Malibu Twp. didn't exist yet), then populations appear for 1910 and 1920. Clearly, "Malibu Township with Sawtelle city" was created between 1900 and 1910 and existed in 1910 and 1920. Old news is that the old soldiers' home next to the town of Sawtelle was opened in 1889. Sawtelle the town (not the soldiers' home) was annexed to the City of Los Angeles in 1922. The solders' home was *not* annexed to the City of L.A. It is on county turf today. Sawtelle and the soldiers' home are today located just a tad east of Santa Monica. Old news also is that the 1920 census for the soldiers' home next to the town of Sawtelle has "Malibu Township" at the tops of its pages. This "Malibu Township" thing is still a mystery, because Malibu is nowhere near the place. I am coming around to the opinion that "townships" in L.A. were established for the sole purpose of baffling modern researchers, as the townships seem to have no other function, now or then. Lester Powers lesterps@juno.com

Donna Hull wrote: > for 1920 census does anyone have a clue as to how that > area was listed in Los Angeles Co.? I'm assuming it > was L. A. Co. In my prior wild-guess opinion, I said that Sawtelle was probably in Malibu Township, L.A. County, in 1920, although this makes no sense. I did a little more research and find that Sawtelle was definitely in Malibu Township in 1920, although this still makes no sense. The book, "History of Los Angeles County," edited by John Steven McGroarty, 1923, gives a table of places with their populations of 1890, 1900, 1910, and 1920 on pages 22 and 23. On this table, one line is for "Malibu Township with Sawtelle city." Population numbers for 1890 and 1900 are blank (because Malibu Twp. didn't exist yet), then populations appear for 1910 and 1920. Clearly, "Malibu Township with Sawtelle city" was created between 1900 and 1910 and existed in 1910 and 1920. Old news is that the old soldiers' home next to the town of Sawtelle was opened in 1889. Sawtelle the town (not the soldiers' home) was annexed to the City of Los Angeles in 1922. The solders' home was *not* annexed to the City of L.A. It is on county turf today. Sawtelle and the soldiers' home are today located just a tad east of Santa Monica. Old news also is that the 1920 census for the soldiers' home next to the town of Sawtelle has "Malibu Township" at the tops of its pages. This "Malibu Township" thing is still a mystery, because Malibu is nowhere near the place. I am coming around to the opinion that "townships" in L.A. were established for the sole purpose of baffling modern researchers, as the townships seem to have no other function, now or then. Lester Powers lesterps@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Lester & charles-- Thanx so much for your response. the film number & enumeration district will really help. Donna & friend Mary

Hello Lester, I have a partial 1900 federal census page for the Sawtelle National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers, Pacific Branch, Los Angeles County. Unfortunately the 1900 census does not cite a township nor give any other location information. But that's not really the point of this message. Indexes and records of the federal Soldier's Homes are available on microfilm at the National Archives and their respective branch facilities. They also can be obtained through an LDS Family History Center. If your ancestor resided at one of these homes, he would almost certainly have had a federal disability pension that may be available here at the National Archives in Washington, DC. The disability pension would indicate at which home(s) he lived and give a rough estimate of the dates involved. However, I notice in your message that you believe your relative died in 1932. If so, and, assuming he received a federal disability pension, his pension file may be in the possession of the Department of Veterans Affairs, and it might be available through the state in which the pension was administered, most likely in this case, California. A check of the disability pension file index at the National Archives can determine if the file is physically at the Archives or if it is still held by the VA. If you have other questions, please do not hesitate to contact me privately. Charles Roberts (crrnam@msn.com) Potomac, MD > I have a long-lost great or great-great uncle, > Frederick Bartels, who, according to family legend (only) > was at the L.A. "old soldiers' home," during the 1920s > and/or 30s or so. The CADI does list a Frederick J. > Bartels who died in L.A. on February 26, 1932, age 76 > (which is about the right age for my Fred). I looked > up Frederick J. Bartels in the 1920 census, and he is > listed as at the "National Military Home" in "MALIBU > TOWNSHIP." This Malibu stuff makes no sense, but > that's what the 1920 census page says (supervisor's > district 8, enumeration district 486, too). One of > these years I'm going to try to get a copy of the old > soldier Frederick J. Bartels' death certificate, but I > sooooo procrastinate. Sigh. > > Anyway, presumably Sawtelle was in Malibu Township. > That part of Sawtelle that was for the old soldiers, on > the 1920 census, is enumeration district 486, LDS FHL > microfilm number 1,820,116 -- for my Fred anyway. > > If you go *way* back in time, to the late 1800s, > Sawtelle would have been in La Ballona Township. > > Lester Powers > lesterps@juno.com

Does any one know the cost of a "Local Registrar's Permit for Removal of Cremated or Interred Human Remains" ? My grandmother moved both her mothers and her ex-husband's remains. I have a copy of the permit used to remove her mothers remains and would like a copy of the one used to get her ex's remains. The one I have was issued by the Divisio Of Peventable Diseases in 1936. I am sure the other one is also in 1936. If anyone knows about these I would really appreciate any info. thank you so much Lynn Alexander Welker