Hi SOCALers and Yvonne: I'm forwarding this from H-California, a list on the history of California, in hopes that someone could help Denise Spooner (the list administrator) in her research, or could lead her in the right direction. We genealogists have the kinds of specialized knowledge that some others may not think of tapping. If anyone does, please reply to Denise at <[email protected]>. Carol >X-Sent-Via: DakotaCom.NET >Delivered-To: [email protected] >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) >Importance: Normal >X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from > [4.60.49.101] at Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:23:36 -0500 >Approved-By: "Denise S. Spooner" <[email protected]> >Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:27:33 -0700 >Reply-To: H-California <[email protected]> >Sender: H-NET List on California Studies <[email protected]> >From: "Denise S. Spooner" <[email protected]> >Subject: LA County Real Estate Records? >To: [email protected] >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0 > tests=APPROVED_BY,AWL,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE > version=2.55 >X-Spam-Level: >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >Dear H-Californians, > >As many of you know, I'm still working on the history of the southern CA >vernacular landscape esp. the rise and spread of backyard fencing. At a >long-ago AHA meeting, where I delivered a paper on this topic, urban >historian Carl Abbott suggested looking for evidence of fencing mandates and >prohibitions in CC&Rs (conditions, covenants, and restrictions) that are >sometimes attached to the sales of residential property. And so, for the >past months I've been toiling away in the basement of the LA County >Recorder's office conducting a systematic search of property deeds between >1895 and 1970. As you also may know, preserving the county's official >records is not something LA has been especially good at. For example, at >least five different kinds of indexes were used for the period between >1895 and 1945. Just when I think I've got the system wired, oops! Another >form of indexing is introduced. And, across time, the only way to look up >any record is if you know the name of the grantor or the grantee. That >means, you can find the deed Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford signed when >they bought Pickfair, but you can't find out who owned the property at 620 >S. Main in 1885, or any other year, for that matter. So, it's been quite an >experience using these records. > >While I have found lots of interesting stuff, one essential document I >*haven't* found is a source that lists how many residential parcels were >sold in the county in a given year. Understanding the scope of restrictions >that barred property owners from all kinds of activities, such as selling >intoxicating spirits, for example, is almost impossible without some idea of >how many parcels of land were sold. > >Does anybody have any idea how I might deal with this problem? I know that >the bulletin of the LA Board of Realty maintained that kind of record in the >1920s, but I haven't found it for the years before and beyond that decade. >Just so you know, here's a list of the offices and people I've already >contacted with this question: the LA county recorder's office, the county >assessor's office, Dace Taube at USC, and Greg Hise. > >Thanks for any help you can lend, > >Denise Spooner Carol De Priest <mailto:[email protected]> Honest Intellectual Inquiry <http://www.dakotacom.net/~depriest>

Anyone familiar with James Kilgour? Born 19 April 1887 in England Died 18 May 1966 Ventura 1910 census living in Lemon Cove, Tulare County Thanks, Diane

Hi, I'm trying to find anyone researching these STOKES lines. According to Bancroft's Pioneer Register and Index, page 343-344..."Edward,1840, Engl. sailor who came from Hon. on the Fly, having possibly visited Ca. before. iv. 104, 120"...and "(James), 1834(?), Engl. sailor who in Cal. became a doctor; first appearing on the records of '35, when he served as consulting physician in the case of Gov.Figueroa, but prob. left some vessel a year or two earlier. iii.412, 296" I have the names of their wives...Edward married Maria del Refugio Ortega in San Diego, 12 Jun 1842; James married Maria Josefa de los Dolores Soto in Monterey, 12 Feb 1844... and most of their children, and descendants...what I'm trying to find is more about the parents of these two men, and to see if they were brothers, cousins...or related at all. I have the names of Edward's parents...or a version of their names from the marriage record: "Eduardo Estoc y de Mary Camoes?, del Pueblo de Plymouth en Ynglaterra" (Thomas W Temple, II abstracts of Mission records). Would the ship records for Monterey and/or San Diego be available for those years...1834 and 1840? Where would I find something like that? Thanks in advance for any help! Sheila :) PS I'm sending this message to several lists, so if you receive multiple copies, that's why!

Is there anyone available to do a lookup for an obituary in Los Angeles (19) in 1949? I'm looking for the following: KENNEY JOHN WILMOT b. 11/14/1876 KENTUCKY d. 01/08/1949 LOS ANGELES(19) 72 yrs old The only thing I know about his immediate family is he had two daughters he called "Babe" and "Sis" and they were called that until they died. I have no idea what their real names were. I'm hoping to find out through the obit. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help on this. May God Bless, Melinda Pickering Researching: RAPP, HADLEY, KEELER, BIDDLE, LYONS, ELY, WILLIAMS, JOHNSON, MUIR, KENNEY, WILMOT, DUFFY, FINE, REYNOLDS, _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

In a message dated 9/4/2003 10:17:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Looking for suggestions - Martha J. Wolfe is enumerated in the 1930 California Federal Census - Los Angeles in the home of her daughter Evelyn Delane{y} census taken in April 1930. Martha died in the 1930s. Can anyone suggest how I might find the date of death? Flavia Hodges ------------------------- Flavia, Checking the CA Death Index that is online at: http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cadeathm.htm I found the following entry: WOLFE, Martha J. spouse: H.M. age: 85 yrs county: 49 (Sonoma County) date: 2 Oct 1939 state file #65164 Sharon Kern Co Volunteer

Looking for suggestions - Martha J. Wolfe is enumerated in the 1930 California Federal Census - Los Angeles in the home of her daughter Evelyn Delane{y} census taken in April 1930. Martha died in the 1930s. Can anyone suggest how I might find the date of death? Flavia Hodges

Thanks to all who replied to my post. I may not need to look for an obit now. I somehow managed to find the informant on my grandfathers death certificate listed on the CA deaths. It showed her maiden name. Then I searched CA births for a child born and listed mothers maiden name and I got a match!!! I looked this person up on the phone directory, and will be calling them soon. Wish me luck! Anne Sprentz ----- Original Message ----- From: " Anne Sprentz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: Newspaper for Mira Loma Area > Can anyone tell me what the current newspapers are for the Mira Loma area? > > Thanks so much. :-) > > A. Sprentz > > > ==== SOCAL Mailing List ==== > Do NOT open attachments. > >

I thought some SOCALers might be interested in this - if so, go to this website for more info: <http://www.autry-museum.org/research/AI_programs.php>, or contact Stephen Aron <mailto:[email protected]>. Yes, the workshops are open to the public. Have fun, Carol >X-Sent-Via: DakotaCom.NET >Delivered-To: [email protected] >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) >Importance: Normal >X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from > [4.60.49.101] at Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:35:43 -0500 >Approved-By: "Denise S. Spooner" <[email protected]> >Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:39:27 -0700 >Reply-To: H-California <[email protected]> >Sender: H-NET List on California Studies <[email protected]> >From: "Denise S. Spooner" <[email protected]> >Subject: Autry Western History Workshop Schedule >To: [email protected] >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0 > tests=APPROVED_BY,AWL,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,LINES_OF_YELLING, > MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE > version=2.55 >X-Spam-Level: >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >From: Stephen Aron [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:04 AM > > >The 2003-2004 schedule for the Autry Western History Workshop has >now been set. All workshop sessions begin at 7PM (with dinner >served at 6:30PM). To facilitate discussions, the paper for each meeting >is circulated by email in advance. If you are interested in attending the >workshops and/or receiving copies of the papers, contact Stephen Aron >([email protected]). > >AUTRY WESTERN HISTORY WORKSHOP SCHEDULE 2003-2004 > >September 25: Nahum Karlinsky, Ben Gurion University of the Negev, >"California Dreaming: Adapting the 'California Model' to Mandatory >Palestine's Citrus Industry" (Co-sponsored by UCLA-BGU Program of Academic >Cooperation, UCLA International Institute) > >October 23: David Igler, University of California, Irvine, "Diseased Goods: >Global Exchanges in the Eastern Pacific Basin" > >November 13: Flannery Burke, California State University, Northridge, and >Ryan Carey, University of Texas, Austin, "A Review Essay: Corralling the >Imagined and Historical Wests" > >December 11: Amy Scott, Autry National Center, "Reinventing Eden: Painting >and Perception in Twentieth-Century Yosemite" > >January 22: Phil Ethington, University of Southern California, >"Transnational Geographies of a Global Metropolis: The Los Angeles >of Mexico, Africa, and the Pacific Rim, 1911-45" (Joint session with Los >Angeles Research Group) > >February 19: Carl Abbott, Portland State University, "Information >Everywhere: Pacific Destinies in the 21st Century" > >March 18: Maria Lepowsky, University of Wisconsin, Madison, "Shamans, >Prophets, and Uprisings in Early Southern California" > >April 15: Michael Duchemin, University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and Autry >National Center, "Interwoven Histories and Myths of the American West" > >May 13: Virginia Scharff, University of New Mexico and Autry National >Center, "Home on the Range: Ecology, Culture, and Contingency" > > >Stephen Aron >Executive Director, Autry National Center Institute >Associate Professor, Department of History, UCLA >Ph. Autry: (323) 667-2000, x307; Ph. UCLA: (310) 825-2561 >E-mail: [email protected], [email protected] >Web-- http://www.history.ucla.edu/aron/ Carol De Priest <mailto:[email protected]> Honest Intellectual Inquiry <http://www.dakotacom.net/~depriest>

There are two newspapers that cover the Mira Loma area. Mira Loma is in Riverside County, thus the Press-Enterprise has some following there. The Press-Enterprise address is 3512 14th Street, Riverside, CA. Phone is 909-684-1200. However, Mira Loma actually is much closer to the town of Ontario, and its newspaper, The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, has an edition that covers MIra Loma and the Jurupa Valley. Their address is 2041 East 4th Street, Ontario, CA. Phone is 909-987-6397. Hope this helps. Bobby Dobbins Title in Loma Linda, California

I have a copy of the 1916 Long Beach High School yearbook "Caerulea" and am happy to do lookups (seniors only). Please put "Long Beach lookup" in the subject line so your request doesn't get lost This book is up for auction, so it is a limited time offer (about a week). --Laurel

Can anyone tell me what the current newspapers are for the Mira Loma area? Thanks so much. :-) A. Sprentz

Laurel, Thanks for looking anyway!!! --Mary Beth ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Blue Book Lookup > >Kugelberg -- San Francisco or Bay Area? > >Nonneman -- San Francisco or Bay Area? Monterey county? > >Cardiff -- Santa Cruz > >Quandt -- Los Angeles or Bakersfield > > Alas, none of these names are to be found > > --Laurel

Early in August, I phoned San Diego county to order my own BC. I didn't fill any form out, & as I recall, they only as my mother's maiden name as an identifier. The cert arrived in about a week. Hey, who doesn't know that? Mostly aren't we getting BC's for info like where the parents were from? Of course for someone born 100 or so years back, they might be skeptical you are that person. But, as I recall, one of the alternatives is an executor. I'm my mother's executor, mom was executor for g'ma, a great aunt, & a great aunt. & g'ma was executor for her husband. & the aunts would have been executors for their husbands. So I guess I'd be covered for a few people. Phil [email protected] . -----Original Message----- From: Mary Inglis Sims [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Calif. birth & death certificates & the new law The quickest way to obtain certificates is to go in person to the County Recorder in the county where the event occurred or the California State Office of Vital Records in Sacramento. ********************************** The new California law about birth and death certificates requires a special form be completed. If directly related, you must verify your relationship and sign that form in the presence of personnel at the offices. If not directly related, you sign in a different place on that same required form and the certificate you receive will have stamped faintly in the background, the words: INFORMATIONAL - NOT A VALID DOCUMENT TO ESTABLISH IDENTITY. This certificate is exactly the same except for these words which do not block out any of the information. For genealogists, the Informational certificate presents no problems. Mary Inglis Sims California Genealogical Research Sacramento, California ==== SOCAL Mailing List ==== Contact Yvonne Bowers, Listmom <[email protected]> --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.460 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/03

>At 7:16 PM -0800 09/01/2003, Mary Beth Michaels wrote: >Thanks for your nice offer. Can you look up a few names for me? > >Kugelberg -- San Francisco or Bay Area? >Nonneman -- San Francisco or Bay Area? Monterey county? >Cardiff -- Santa Cruz >Quandt -- Los Angeles or Bakersfield Alas, none of these names are to be found --Laurel

Laurel Thanks for your nice offer. Can you look up a few names for me? Kugelberg -- San Francisco or Bay Area? Nonneman -- San Francisco or Bay Area? Monterey county? Cardiff -- Santa Cruz Quandt -- Los Angeles or Bakersfield Thanks very much. Mary Beth Michaels ----- Original Message ----- > I have a 1954 California Register (the social 'blue book') and am > happy to do lookups. > This is the social register -- of "prominent" citizens, listing their > names, addresses, phone numbers, social & cultural affiliations and > family members. It appears that this is the first statewide blue > book. > My family does not show up in such rosters--but yours might, so drop > me a note if you want me to do a lookup. Be sure to put "Blue Book > Lookup" or "California Register Lookup" or some such in the subject > line so that I don't confuse your request with the Spam DuJour. > > The books is up for auction, so this is a limited time offer (approx 1 week) > > --Laurel > > > ==== SOCAL Mailing List ==== > Contact Yvonne Bowers, Listmom <[email protected]> > >

As of today: NORCAL 483 List Members total: 362 on regular list 121 on digest We lost 11 list members this month. SOCAL 205 List Members total: 149 on regular list 56 on digest We gained 2 list members this month. NORCALCHAT 34 List Members total: 25 on regular list 9 on digest We lost 1 list member this month. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Visit the NORCAL Volunteer Lookup Library at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html and the NORCAL Genealogy Index at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/ -- Yvonne Bowers, Sonoma, CA. Listmom, WebMom NORCAL, SOCAL, CA-CORNISH NORCAL LIBRARY http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html NORCAL Genealogy Index http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/

I have a 1954 California Register (the social 'blue book') and am happy to do lookups. This is the social register -- of "prominent" citizens, listing their names, addresses, phone numbers, social & cultural affiliations and family members. It appears that this is the first statewide blue book. My family does not show up in such rosters--but yours might, so drop me a note if you want me to do a lookup. Be sure to put "Blue Book Lookup" or "California Register Lookup" or some such in the subject line so that I don't confuse your request with the Spam DuJour. The books is up for auction, so this is a limited time offer (approx 1 week) --Laurel

Researching John L. Bautista (1864-1927) JP genealogy website: http://www.ancestry-web.com/

Early in June, I ordered three death certificates from three different counties: Los Angeles, Riverside, and Santa Barbara Counties. However, in lieu of sending my personal checks as payments, I enclosed a money order with each written request. I received turn-around service from all the counties, and had three DC copies in my hand only one week after I had mailed my requests. Researching ARMSTRONG, ARTER, BOSE, EVERTS, HARRELL, HOLLMANN, MULLINS, PEVELER, SAUP, SIMS, TERRELL, WEHMEYER, WOOD Sue Mullins Northridge CA [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Inglis Sims" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: Calif. birth & death certificates & the new law . However, if you mail in > your request it can take up to 6 weeks (sometimes longer) to receive the > certificate. So, if in a hurry, the quickest way is to go there > yourself or find someone else who can do it for you.

When I went in to get my husbands birth cert it was $18.00. I believe the fee went up January 1, 2003. Perrin At 09:27 AM 8/29/03 -0700, Mary Inglis Sims wrote: >The fee for birth and death certificates is the same for all of >California. >$15 for birth certificates and $13 for death certificates.