Mitzi...Noah found the census where he said Simon was b Bavaria but the census was taken in PA.....thats all I know....the ref to Simeon I found was in Pa after the 1880 census.....Nena From: "Mitzi Smetters" <msmetters@ncweb.com> Nena, Regarding your reference to Smother in Bavaria, are you referring to the European country (German province) or to a place in Pennsylvania? If it is in Pennsylvania, do you know where?>Thanks,>Mitzi _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail