From: "bncsinor" <bncsinor@wnonline.net> To: "Nena Smothers" <smothersnena@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Martha Smothers & James Sinor Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:25:38 -0600 Thank you for answering my email My mother's name was Gladys Sutton Borned in mccomb Okla Terr; 1906 Grand mother Lena Beatice Walker borned 1888 some say Burnett Okla Terr. Others in Burnett Tex Her mother uk.All you need to trace your Dna is Give a Scraping fron the Inside of your cheek you dont need any names just nice to know who passed the Dna along to you That is where I get my Indian Blood But I had the Sinor name traced and I have Indian Blood on that Side of the Family Also Dont know if From Smothers Or crownover My Dads dna Shows Inuit Indian Siberian Eskmo Alasks Aleut and Iceland Well some thing maybe Indian Now if that dont beat all I ever Seen Family Tree Says I'm 60 percent Indian and 40 Percent European You know I believe the Smother's Were Indian I seen some cencus records that say's Free people of Color Back in the 1800's Indians were Classified as FPC or if you had a sun tan you may be classified FPC. If you can come up with Indian you would be welcome to come into my Tribe.Thats my answer and I sticking to it.haha I am the Principal Chief the Web page say's Vice we are Precently in a law suit some renagades are trying to take control of the tribe Never happened We just changed the name from the Four WindsTribe to the Keetoowah's We are rigistered with the Amrican Indian congress as Keetoowah's Well keep me in mind Billy Sinor Here is the way Indian dna is read you dont need names or any thing else but the Scrapes Pretty neat Billy Sinor ----- Original Message ----- From: Bennett To: 'bncsinor' Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [fourwindstribe] Re--DNA iNFORMATION Hi-There are 5 groups of DNA that have been clearly identified as being Native American. This has nothing to do with the subject of tribes. I have been told that the concept of tribes is less then 2,000 years old,and the 5 groups date as far back as perhaps 30,000 years ago. The 5 identified Native American Groups have been named by the Anthropologists as A, B, C, D and X.Bennett Greenspan President Family Tree DNA www.FamilyTreeDNA.com ---Original Message----- From: bncsinor [mailto:bncsinor@wnonline.net] Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:09 PM To: Bennett Subject: Fw: [fourwindstribe] Re--DNA iNFORMATION could you give us the answer I think you said the 5 major Indians groups Billy Sinor ----- Original Message ----- From: Fr. Roger Hartline To: fourwindstribe@yahoogroups.com December 22, 2002 3:53 AM Subject: RE: [fourwindstribe] Re--DNA INFO Dear Mr. Nash,Please do not misunderstand me. I think it is great additional evidence, and might provide the encouragement needed to press on with the research for hard legal proof. But it cannot tell us that you are Cherokee -- Only that one of your ancestors was an Indian, of some sort.My objection is this, just because you have English genes doesn't make you the Queen's cousin. Or as my grandmother used to say, if kittens are born in the oven we still don't call them biscuits. What you MUST do is dedicate yourself to the research or accept that you cannot prove your link to the Nation. It is unfortunate that this must be the reality, but even with the Laws of the Nation aside, today there are too many crazy white people and ALL of them have great grandmothers who were "cherokee princesses" and all of them want to dress up and be pow-wow Indians. This is an insult to my people and the intelligence of others.There are plenty of Cherokee Heritage groups (such as the one in Houston) that welcome membership from anyone with an interest in Cherokee history and culture. Tribal membership however, is simply too precious to not control to the letter of the law. With best wishes,Fr. Roger D. Hartline -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Nash [mailto:exmil20002000@yahoo.com] December 21, 2002 12:27 PM To: fourwindstribe@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fourwindstribe] Re--DNA iNFORMATION I have been reading about this here dna a this kind of excites me. I havn't ever been able to positifly prove my indian blood and this sure sounds good. I mother always told me the fanily stories but I don't really have anything else. Cheif Siner would you please tell me how I can get some more details on htis. Fr. Hairline, you seem to be against this being the prooof we need are maybe I mistook what you was saying. I will be greatly appreciated to anyboidy who can help me. How are thinns going for your tribe. I really like yalls site and look foward to hearing form you. Catch you on the flip flop. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail