From: Bill Smothers <smothers@dca.net> I did not think the maiden name for John Smithers' wife, Rachel (Betterton?), was known? THAT WAS COPIED BY MISTAKE....JOHN DOES NOT RELATE TO JAS OR RACHEL BETTERTON...SORRY John was Richard Smithers' son. I have done some research on John and never before saw any evidence as to Rachel's maiden name. Seems an odd coincidence that you name James the engraver's wife as Rachel Betterton also? I AM NOT SAYING HE IS FOR CERTAIN...I JUST PUT THE INFO ON HIM WHERE THE JAS SMITHERS, THE ENGRAVER IS LISTED. John and James were completely unrelated as best I can tell.>Bill > >Nena Smothers wrote: JAMES SMITHERS, b. Bet. 1750 - 1765, <Pennsylvania>. Notes for JAMES SMITHERS:[Smithers.FTW] 1790 U. S. Census James Smithers, Philadelphia County, PA. [this is the only image census that showed age of Head of HH] James Smithers #34 in bet Adam Robinson [bricklayer]& Eliz Smith [gen'l woman] engraver 21y D=dwelling Head BORN C1769 3-free white males over 16y 0-free white males under 16y 5-free white females State: PA Year: 1790 County: Philadelphia Roll: M637_9 Township: Unknown Township Page: 240 Image: 0362 I am not certain who James Smithers the engraver is in Philadelphia. However, there was a James Smithers, born in England who was a gunsmith and engraver. He married Rachel Betterton in September of 1771. He did border cuts on the 1772 release of Pennsylvania currency, he completed the engraving of the Pennsylvania survery of the Mason Dixon line map, and made the dies for the Pitt Tokens that were minted in commeration of the repeal of the Stamp Act, as well as other items of the day. Unfortunately, he was a Tory sympathizer and convicted of high treason. He fled to New York and supposedly went to Canada. However, I do remember that his wife Rachel appeared before the Supreme Executive Council of Philadelphia to request a pardon for him. Whether she was successful or not, I don't know. If she was, this is possibly him listed in the 1790 census. Terry Snyder Terryls111@aol.com -1778 List of Men From Pennsylvania who joined the British Army. The following individuals are reported in the June 17, 1778 edition of the Pa Packet as having joined the British Army and were therefore proclaimed traitors to the US. Some, but not all, had Quaker ancestry or were Quakers themselves. All now or late of the Co of Philadelphia all now or late of the Northern Liberties township g.. James Smither, engraver,*********** 1790 U. S. Census James Smithers, Philadelphia Co unknown township, Image 0362, Roll, M637_9, page 240, James Smithers, engraver, free white males over 16, 3, free white females 5. 1800 U. S. Census James Smithers, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, unknown township, page 104. 1810 U. S. Census for South Mulberry Township, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, James Smither, engraver, free white males, 45 and up 1, free white females, 16 to 26, 2, 45 and up, 1. websites: http://www.tbaytel.net/bmartin/blacklst.htm http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/speccol/1399/reports/html/268m4.html http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Pitt.intro.html http://www.goldbergcoins.net/catalogarchive/20010216/chap002.shtml http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/muster/pa1778.shtml http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/church/stpaulphil01.txt You'll have to use the "find" button on some of these pages. Unfortunately the info about Rachel going before the Supreme Council was something I remember reading in the Colonial Records. This was when I was first researching Smithers/Smathers and I thought it was interesting but important to my research . I may have made a notation on a scratch of paper but not sure exactly where that would be - sorry. Next time I go to Hayes Presidential Center Library I will look it up again. Also speaking of Hayes Presidential Center, they maintain an Online Obituary Index that includes both Sandusky and Seneca County Ohio. Some Smothers folks I believe have passed through that area and might found it useful. They are still indexing Seneca County, but it might be something worth keeping in mind. That web address is http://index.rbhayes.org/ Terry S. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail