If you are seeing these numbers in the genetic Distance report, then that is exactly correct! 12 step mutation is a long long time! You are looking for distance of 0, or 1 at the most! Bennett Greenspan FTDna http://www.familytreedna.com Those Smothers DNA participants should print out this information as your DNA results will include Haplogroups for you each individually. Facts & Genes from Family Tree DNA February 27, 2003 Volume 2, Issue 2 In the News: Family Tree DNA announces the Haplogroup Database Family Tree DNA is pleased to announce a new database called Haplogroup. The Haplogroup database will assist you in exploring your deep ancestral roots. It provides information about your deep ancestral paternal lineage, based on the Y chromosome. An individual's Y chromosome signature is compared to an extensive database from many studies conducted by Dr. Michael Hammer and his colleagues. Your Haplogroup is estimated based on the Haplogroup of the matches found. To access the Haplogroup database, a new selection called Haplogroup appears on your Personal Page. Your Personal Page at FamilyTreeDNA.com is where you view your results, and search the databases available from Family Tree DNA. To access your Personal Page, you log into FamilyTreeDNA.com with your kit number and password. The Haplogroup selection on your Personal Page will show the Haplogroup and the country of those whom you most closely match. A close match for this purpose can be from 1-4 mutations. The country represents the ethnic origin information supplied by Dr. Hammer's research. Note that this is different information than what you'll find in the REO database, which is supplied by Family Tree DNA's customers and Dr. Hammer's dataset. Dr. Hammer's independent study contains results for either 12 or 25 Marker Y chromosome tests for each participant, and their test results from a SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) test on the Y chromosome. The SNP test determines the participant's Haplogroup. The Y chromosome test is based on testing Short Tandem Repeats, or STR Markers. Family Tree DNA can perform a test for Haplogroup determination utilizing specific SNP Markers. The Y-DNA SNP test will determine if the estimated Haplogroup is your Haplogroup. As an example, if your estimated Haplogroup is R1b, a test could be ordered to confirm if you are indeed an R1b or not, but in case you are not, you would have to perform additional test(s) to find your Haplogroup. That is why we only recommend the test to those who really want (we mean... very badly) want to know his haplogroup. In conjunction with the new Haplogroup database, Family Tree DNA will be utilizing the standard terminology for Haplogroups presented by the Y Chromosome Consortium. This new standard terminology is defined in detail in the article below in this newsletter called: Understanding Your Genetic History: Haplogroups Identification of your Y-chromosome Haplogroup can provide an interesting glimpse into the deep ancestry of your paternal line. With this new Haplogroup database and the possibility of the Y-DNA SNP test, Family Tree DNA continues set the standard in genealogical and anthropological genetic testing. Understanding Your Genetic History: Haplogroups There have seen at least seven (7) systems in use in the scientific community for defining and naming Haplogroups. These various systems, which assigned different names to Haplogroups, often led to confusion. Depending on which system was utilized in the literature you read, Haplogroups had different names and definitions. To solve this problem, the Y Chromosome Consortium developed a new system to name Haplogroups and subgroups. The new naming system developed by the Y Chromosome Consortium was designed to easily accommodate expansion, as new Haplogroups are discovered. This new system identifies and names the current known Y Haplogroups that have been discovered. A Haplogroup is defined as all the male descendants of the single person who first showed a SNP mutation. A SNP mutation identifies a group who had a common ancestor far back in time, since SNP's rarely mutate. Each member of a Haplogroup would have the same SNP mutation as the common ancestor. These mutations are extremely rare, and identify a group of people over a period of tens of thousands of years. The Y Chromosome Consortium has defined 18 major Haplogroups, called A through R, using capital letters. Each of these major Haplogroups, which are also called clades, can have subgroups, which are called subclades. The 18 major groups at the top level, A through R, represent the major divisions of human diversity based on SNPs on the Y chromosome. Subgroups have a numeric name, which follows the Haplogroup name. For example, Haplogroup E has 3 subgroups, called E1, E2, and E3. There is also a subgroup E*, which are those that belong to Haplogroup E, but do not belong to one of the 3 defined subgroups, E1, E2, or E3. If a subgroup has subgroups, they would be labeled with a lower case alphabetic character, such as E3a or E3b. The new Haplogroup database at FamilyTreeDNA.com utilizes this new naming system developed by the Y Chromosome Consortium. On your search results page for Haplogroup, you will see the Haplogroup of those who match or are a close match to your Y chromosome test result. Depending on your Haplogroup search results, you will see Haplogroups such as I, J2, I1b, R1b. All Family Tree DNA explanations and terminology will utilize the emerging standard defined in the Y Chromosome Consortium paper. The Y Chromosome Consortium scientific paper, which describes the Haplogroup naming system, can be found at the link below: http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/nomenclature_system/frontpage.html For a single page graphic representation of the Y Chromosome Haplogroup tree, please see: http://www.familytreedna.com/haplotree.html Understanding Your Results: Uncovering Adoption or an Extra Marital Event A previously unknown adoption or extra marital event could be uncovered with DNA testing. As a Surname Group Administrator, you would have the responsibility of communicating with the participant. The discovery may be a complete surprise to the participant. Often, a participant who discovers an adoption or extra marital event will be interested in further DNA testing to uncover the generation where the event occurred. Once the generation is established, further research can focus on uncovering clues and additional information. To identify the generation to establish the time frame of the event, the following method can be utilized. First, for the participant who does not match, make a list of all the generations between the documented common ancestor of the participants, and the participant who does not match. The generations are given alphabetic labels, and the birth year of the husband is shown in the example below: A about 1690 Had 4 sons B about 1722 C 1750 D 1775 E 1794 F 1829 G 1853 H 1878 I 1907 J 1940 K 1965 In our example, 4 documented direct descent males from the 4 sons of A did the 25 Marker Y Chromosome test. Two of the participants match 25/25 and one of the participants match 24/25. The fourth participant is not a match. The participant who did not match rechecked his research, and is now interested in uncovering the generation for the event that introduced a different Y chromosome to his family tree. The participant who did not match is "K" in the above chart. The chart above is the direct descent tree for participant K, the participant who did not match the descendents of other sons of A. The following approach will identify the generation where the adoption or extra marital event occurred. The first step is to find a descendent from F who is from a different son of F than the son in K's direct line of descent. If F did not have other sons, or there are no direct descent males today from any of the sons, either go up to E or down to G, looking for a direct descent male from a different son. Let's assume, for our example, that there is a direct descent male for a different son of F. This person tests, and their result matches the other 3 participants, who are descendents of A. This result confirms that the adoption or extra marital event did not occur with the birth of F, and occurred in a subsequent generation. The next step would be to test a descendent of a different son of I. The methodology of the approach is to take the list of generations to be tested, and find the middle, and test a descendent of a different son. If you have a match to the descendents of A, the event occurred after the father of the son you selected. If the test results are not a match to A, then the event occurred with the father or before. Whether you are going up or down the chart, at each step you find the middle of the remaining section of the chart, and test a descendent from a different son. To find where the adoption or extra marital event occurred, in each step you find the middle of the number of generations. In the first step, generation F was selected, because it is mid point between A and K. For the next step, we want to find the midpoint between F and K, which would be Generation I. A direct descent male from a different son of I would test. The results for the different son of I also matched the initial participants who are descendents of A. Therefore, the adoption or extramarital event occurred with the son of I from which K descended or with J or the birth of K. The next step would be to test a direct descent male from a different son of J. The results from this participant match K, which identifies the event occurring with the birth of J. Once the event is identified where the adoption or extra marital event occurred, further research may uncover additional information. Let’s look at another example. In this example, the same approach is used, and the result identifies the event as occurring with H. Further research reminded the participant that H is not in the 1880 census entry for the family, and he always assumed that the birth date he had for H was just off a few years. After careful study of all the census entries in the town, he discovers a boy with the same first name as H, living with a family down the street, with their surname. This family has 9 children. A possible theory is that H was taken in by the participant’s family and assumed their surname. Further research, and finding a direct descent male from the original family for H to test, confirmed that a non-formal adoption had occurred. DNA testing can be utilized to identify the generation where an adoption or extra marital event occurred. Further research may uncover additional information. Case Studies in Genetic Genealogy In each issue of the Newsletter, we look at what Genetic Genealogy will do for your Family History research. This article is a continuation of the topic, with situations, called "Case Studies", followed by a recommendation. The objective of the case studies is to present different situations you may encounter in your family history research, and how DNA testing can be applied. Case Study The only knowledge I have about a female line is the wife's first name, Elizabeth, which showed up on the 1850 census record. Was she the mother of all the children listed for the family, or was the husband married several times and this is the only name that shows up in the census records? There are 9 children listed in the census, 4 boys, and 5 girls. Recommendation You can determine whether Elizabeth was the mother of all the children using mtDNA testing. You would want to test a direct female descendent of one of the older daughters, and a direct female descendent of one of the younger daughters. It would be preferable to test a descendent of the oldest daughter and youngest daughter. If the results match, the daughters had the same mother, or a different mother who was a sister to Elizabeth. If the results do not match, then there were clearly different mothers, indicating that the husband was married more than once. It may be beneficial to your research to know that the husband was married more than once, and to know which daughters came from which wife. mtDNA testing can be also be utilized to test a hypothesis about whether a specific woman is the maternal ancestor of two different lines of descent. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Billy Sinor sent me this, thought I would share, very informative. Nena From: "bncsinor" <bncsinor@wnonline.net> To: "Nena Smothers" <smothersnena@hotmail.com> Subject: Fw: Genetics and Human Migration Patterns.htm Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:45:54 -0600 Genetics and Human Migration PatternsLook on page 3 under xenia that is the mythical lady i get my X gene-this is how I know Lena was Indian I had my mitochondria this is the woman side of my dna goes back for 25000 thousand years I cost me a Bundle but I have a certified copy to prove who I am Billy Sinor Genetics & Genealogy: Article #10 Genetics and Human Migration Patterns(Genetic Anthropology) Introduction Much discourse is emerging from scientific circles detailing the results of genetic testing in relation to human migration patterns. These studies attempt to show the distribution of ethnic genetic codes over certain geographic areas in relation to time. This article attempts to explain some of this research. Scientists have now identified the human lineages of the world descended from 10 sons of a genetic Adam and 18 daughters of Eve. This ancestral human population lived in Africa and started to split up 144,000 years ago. This time period is when both the mitochondrial and Y chromosome trees first branch out. You will also notice that the analysis of DNA from many ancient skeletons and mummies (studies mentioned below) is performed on the mitochondrial DNA, or mtDNA. This "ancient" DNA is often degraded and present in very small quantities. mtDNA offers the best chance of isolating DNA from ancient samples because it is small and is present in the cell with many copies. 18 Daughters of a Genetic Eve Dr. Douglas C. Wallace and his colleagues at the Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta constructed a world female genetic tree based on mitochondrial DNA. Dr. Wallace found that almost all American Indians have mtDNA that belong to lineages he named A, B, C and D. Europeans belong to lineages H through K and T through X. The split between the two main branches in the European tree suggests that modern humans reached Europe 39,000 to 51,000 years ago, Dr. Wallace calculates, a time that corresponds with the archaeological date of at least 35,000 years ago. In Asia the ancestral lineage is known as M, with descendant branches E, F and G. In the Americas are lineages A through D. In Africa there is a single main lineage, known as L, which is divided into three branches. L3, the youngest branch, is common in East Africa and is believed to be the source of both the Asian and European lineages. Dr. Wallace's mitochondrial DNA lineages are "haplogroups" but known as "daughters of Eve," because all of the lineages are branches of the trunk that stems from the mitochondrial Eve. Dr. Wallace is now exploring the root of the mitochondrial tree. In the March 2000 American Journal of Human Genetics, he and colleagues identify the Vasikela Kung of the northwestern Kalahari desert in southern Africa as the population that lies nearest to the root of the human mtDNA tree. Another population that seems almost equally old is that of the Biaka pygmies of Central Africa. The 7 European Daughters of Eve Professor Sykes and Oxford University researchers in England have identified seven ancestral matriarchal groups from which all Europeans appear to be descended. Every European can trace his or her evolutionary history back to the seven ancestral mother groups, also referred to as the Seven European Daughters of Eve. Sykes et al. obtained buccal cells from 6,000 individuals and analyzed the samples using the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) analysis. It is known that mtDNA mutates at a very slow rate, such as 1 mutation in every 10,000 years. So they figured that the women would have lived between 8,000 and 45,000 years ago. What is amazing is that all seven of the genetic groups appear to be descended from the Lara clan, one of three clans that still exist today in Africa. This is called the African Eve theory. It was proposed in the late 1980's by Allan Wilson, Mark Stoneking and others. The African Eve theory states that all humans share a common African ancestor. The Seven European Daughters of Eve matriarchal groups correspond to Dr. Wallace's lineages above, and were given names by by Professor Sykes: Helena: This clan lived in the ice-capped Pyrenees. As the climate warmed, Helena’s descendants trekked northward to what is now England, some 12,000 years ago. Members of this group are now present in all European countries. Jasmine: Her people had a relatively happy life in Syria, where they farmed wheat and raised domestic animals. Jasmine’s descendants traveled throughout Europe, spreading their agricultural innovations with them. Katrine: Members of this group lived in Venice 10,000 years ago. Today most of Katrine’s clan lives in the Alps. Tara: This group settled in Tuscany 17,000 years ago. Descendants ventured across northern Europe and eventually crossed the English Channel. Ursula: Users of stone tools, Ursula’s clan members drifted across all of Europe. Valda: Originally from Spain, Valda and her immediate descendants lived 17,000 years ago. Later relatives moved into northern Finland and Norway. **Xenia: Her people lived in the Caucasus Mountains 25,000 years ago. Just before the Ice Age, this clan spread across Europe, and even reached the Americas. [As Dr. Wallace discovered, the X pattern is a rare European lineage and is also among the northern Native Americans such as the Ojibwa and Sioux.] 10 Sons of a Genetic Adam A male genetic tree based on the analyses of the Y chromosome has been constructed by Dr. Peter A. Underhill and Dr. Peter J. Oefner of Stanford University. In March 2000, a colleague published the preliminary findings of this study in a book, "Genes, People and Languages," by Dr. Luca Cavalli-Sforza (see the Dr's own study "Two Waves", below). The tree starts with a single Y chromosomal Adam with 10 principal branches. Of these sons of Adam, the first three (designated I, II and III) are found almost exclusively in Africa. Son III's lineage migrated to Asia and fathered sons IV-X. These sons then spread through the rest of the world. Son IV spread to the Sea of Japan, son V to northern India, and sons VI and IX to the South Caspian. Other Recent Research Two Migration Waves out of Africa This study came out of the University of Padua, Italy, under the direction of Dr. Luca Cavalli-Sforza and was published in the December issue of the journal Nature Genetics. In the study, the mtDNA in the blood of people from India and east Africa was analyzed. The results showed that a common maternal ancestor coming out of Africa existed 50,000 years ago between the people of Ethiopia and the Arabian peninsula, and India. Matches were not found in the Middle Eastern populations. In another earlier study, it was found that an earlier migration occurred, pegged at 100,000 years ago, involving a common maternal ancestor coming out of Africa by a northern route, settling in the Mediterranean and in Greece. Migration Effect on Languages There are of course efforts under way to take all of these studies above and to relate them to the formation of languages. Dr. Cavalli-Sforza believes the Y chromosome lineages may be associated with the major language groups of the world. Dr. Joseph Greenberg, a linguist at Stanford University, has proposed three migrations, corresponding to the three language groups of the Americas, known as Amerind, Na-Dene and Eskimo-Aleut. News Flash You know all the tests tracing back living people's mtDNA to a most recent common ancestor or matriarchal line? Well, in a December 1999 article in the journal Science, Philip Awadalla of the University of Edinburgh, Scotland basically says that those early assumptions may not be fully true. If not, the rate of mutation for mtDNA, often thought of as 1 mutation every 10,000 years, will have to be recalculated. He says this because there may be some reason to suspect that male and female mtDNA somehow combine. It has been known that male mtDNA in sperm is destroyed by the egg after fertilization. It is anybody's guess how male DNA, mtDNA could be involved with the female mtDNA. More studies will have to be done to replicate this study and to further it. Neanderthals In the journal Nature, March 2000, William Goodwin of the University of Glasgow and counterparts in Russia and Sweden state that DNA from the bones of a Neanderthal baby who died 29,000 years ago in Russia’s Caucasus Mountains is proof that Neanderthals are not ancestors of modern humans. This study agrees with another Neanderthal study from 1997, where DNA from bones of a Neanderthal found in Feldhofer Cave in Germany were analyzed. What we all should look for now is for specimens where there shows signs of Neanderthals and humans interbreeding. If we take the analyses of the 1997 and 1999 studies and compare with future studies, we may find a significant divergence to support that hypothesis. The 1999 study showed that the baby’s mitochondrial DNA differed from that of the other Neanderthal in 3.5 percent of the locations tested. However, as compared to humans, the divergence of the Neanderthal DNA was 7 percent, or double. Because of this, coupled with the expected rate of change, Neanderthals and humans had a common ancestor about 500,000 years ago. Let us not forget another study in the October 26, 1999 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. In that study, Neanderthal bones coming out of Vindija cave north of Zagreb, Croatia, indicate that Neanderthals and modern man must have coexisted in central Europe for at least 6,000 years. Probabilities of cohabitation and genetic exchange go up, don't you think? Cheddar Man, England This is my favorite, maybe because of the name. He is a 9,000-year-old skeleton who lived in a cave, and who has a distant male relative living right down the street in Cheddar, England. Cheddar Man was a Stone Age hunter-gatherer who lived in southwestern England. Scientists from Oxford University's Institute of Molecular Medicine, led by Dr. Sykes, analyzed mitochondrial DNA extracted from one of Cheddar Man's molar teeth. The results were compared to those of 20 people in the area. Researchers say that it shows that Britons descended from European hunter-gatherers rather than Middle Eastern farmers. I would note that since mtDNA analyses were done, we cannot say that Cheddar Man fathered any children since the mtDNA of Cheddar would have been passed down by his mother. The living relative and Cheddar had a most recent common ancestor 10,000 years ago. Kennewick Man Yes, have you heard? As of April 25, 2000, the court is allowing DNA testing of this male skeleton, 9,300 years old, from the state of Washington (not originally, if you know what I mean!). Will the study show that Kennewick Man belongs to one of four identified haplogroups, or genetic groups, that have been identified among American Indians? Ancestor of the American Indians, or European heritage? Ancestor of the Ainu people of Japan? Stay tuned. Iceman (See the book "Uncovering the Life and Times of a Prehistoric Man Found in an Alpine Glacier, by Brenda Fowler"; also "The Man in the Ice", by Konrad Spindler (although his conclusions are strange re the Iceman's death.) Iceman was a body found frozen in the Alps in September 1991. He was taken to Innsbruck University, Forensic Medicine Institute in Innsbruck, Austria. Iceman was found on the Italian side of the Austrian-Italian border, only by a few feet. Anyway, when did Iceman live? The answer is 5,348-5,298 years ago! The DNA tests showed that the Iceman's DNA fit with DNA sequences of Europeans. Iceman's DNA matches DNA sequences of individuals living in the _tztal Valley and Alpine regions (Handt 1994:1775). Iceman is now in a museum in Bolzano, Italy. Ice Maiden The Ice Maiden was a girl only 12-14 years old who was apparently sacrificed by Inca priests 500 years ago. She was a frozen and well preserved mummy, discovered in September 1995 on Mt. Ampato in the Peruvian Andes by anthropologist Johan Reinhard and Miguel Zarate. Her DNA was analyzed at The Institute for Genomic Research (TIGR) in Rockville, Maryland. Some mtDNA from a heart sample was analyzed using the PCR method and gel electrophoresis. "We conclude from our analysis that the Ice Maiden's mitochondrial DNA HV1 sequence places her precisely in the native American Indian Haplogroup A. Her HV2 DNA sequence represents a new HV2 variant not found in the current mitochondrial DNA sequence databases and is most closely related to the Ngobe people of Panama" (Mike Knapp, TIGR). For an article on Ice Maiden, see the January 1997 issue of National Geographic. Beringia and Travel to the Americas Beringia was a land bridge between 12,000 and 13,000 years ago that was evident once glaciers in the area melted and sea levels decreased. Beringia linked up Siberia and what is now Alaska. What is disputed by scientists is what people came over to the America's, when and how. By land? By boat? Paleo-Indians are believed to have used Beringia. Much DNA evidence is pointing to the use of water travel by Asians. There is the study involving the Olmec "celt" inscriptions versus the Chinese Shang writing, which in many cases is very close. We must also remember the concept of independent invention--that humans do independently invent things. Chinese Migration to Mexico, B.C. Researchers studied Native Americans from the Navajo, Chamorro and Flathead tribes. They then determined that all three groups possess a unique type of retrovirus gene, JCV, found only in China and Japan (National Academy of Sciences, 1197). Would seem to suggest travel by boat. Virus Links Andes with Japan There is a theory that South America was colonized from Asia thousands of years before any Spaniards set foot in South America. DNA from bone marrow of 1,500 year old mummies found in northern Chile was analyzed. The results show that a virus associated with adult T-cell leukemia was prevalent in native Andeans and in a small section of people from southwest Japan. The study also theorizes that the virus may have originated from paleo-Mongoloids who migrated to Japan and South America more than 10,000 years ago. No doubt that this was an mtDNA PCR study (Nature Medicine, 1999). Irish with Spanish Genetic Influence ? Y-chromosome variation and Irish origins, E. Hill, M. Jobling, D. Bradley, 23 March 2000 Volume 404 Nature No. 6776 Americans Descended from Australians ? Americans from European ancestry are traced to one of the daughters of Africa Eve, as found in a study above. A further study examined a 11,500-year-old skull, found in Brazil, which appears to belong to a woman of African or Aboriginal (Australia) descent. This might suggest boat travel. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

From: "bncsinor" <bncsinor@wnonline.net> To: "Nena Smothers" <smothersnena@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Martha Smothers & James Sinor Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:25:38 -0600 Thank you for answering my email My mother's name was Gladys Sutton Borned in mccomb Okla Terr; 1906 Grand mother Lena Beatice Walker borned 1888 some say Burnett Okla Terr. Others in Burnett Tex Her mother uk.All you need to trace your Dna is Give a Scraping fron the Inside of your cheek you dont need any names just nice to know who passed the Dna along to you That is where I get my Indian Blood But I had the Sinor name traced and I have Indian Blood on that Side of the Family Also Dont know if From Smothers Or crownover My Dads dna Shows Inuit Indian Siberian Eskmo Alasks Aleut and Iceland Well some thing maybe Indian Now if that dont beat all I ever Seen Family Tree Says I'm 60 percent Indian and 40 Percent European You know I believe the Smother's Were Indian I seen some cencus records that say's Free people of Color Back in the 1800's Indians were Classified as FPC or if you had a sun tan you may be classified FPC. If you can come up with Indian you would be welcome to come into my Tribe.Thats my answer and I sticking to it.haha I am the Principal Chief the Web page say's Vice we are Precently in a law suit some renagades are trying to take control of the tribe Never happened We just changed the name from the Four WindsTribe to the Keetoowah's We are rigistered with the Amrican Indian congress as Keetoowah's Well keep me in mind Billy Sinor Here is the way Indian dna is read you dont need names or any thing else but the Scrapes Pretty neat Billy Sinor ----- Original Message ----- From: Bennett To: 'bncsinor' Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [fourwindstribe] Re--DNA iNFORMATION Hi-There are 5 groups of DNA that have been clearly identified as being Native American. This has nothing to do with the subject of tribes. I have been told that the concept of tribes is less then 2,000 years old,and the 5 groups date as far back as perhaps 30,000 years ago. The 5 identified Native American Groups have been named by the Anthropologists as A, B, C, D and X.Bennett Greenspan President Family Tree DNA www.FamilyTreeDNA.com ---Original Message----- From: bncsinor [mailto:bncsinor@wnonline.net] Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:09 PM To: Bennett Subject: Fw: [fourwindstribe] Re--DNA iNFORMATION could you give us the answer I think you said the 5 major Indians groups Billy Sinor ----- Original Message ----- From: Fr. Roger Hartline To: fourwindstribe@yahoogroups.com December 22, 2002 3:53 AM Subject: RE: [fourwindstribe] Re--DNA INFO Dear Mr. Nash,Please do not misunderstand me. I think it is great additional evidence, and might provide the encouragement needed to press on with the research for hard legal proof. But it cannot tell us that you are Cherokee -- Only that one of your ancestors was an Indian, of some sort.My objection is this, just because you have English genes doesn't make you the Queen's cousin. Or as my grandmother used to say, if kittens are born in the oven we still don't call them biscuits. What you MUST do is dedicate yourself to the research or accept that you cannot prove your link to the Nation. It is unfortunate that this must be the reality, but even with the Laws of the Nation aside, today there are too many crazy white people and ALL of them have great grandmothers who were "cherokee princesses" and all of them want to dress up and be pow-wow Indians. This is an insult to my people and the intelligence of others.There are plenty of Cherokee Heritage groups (such as the one in Houston) that welcome membership from anyone with an interest in Cherokee history and culture. Tribal membership however, is simply too precious to not control to the letter of the law. With best wishes,Fr. Roger D. Hartline -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Nash [mailto:exmil20002000@yahoo.com] December 21, 2002 12:27 PM To: fourwindstribe@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fourwindstribe] Re--DNA iNFORMATION I have been reading about this here dna a this kind of excites me. I havn't ever been able to positifly prove my indian blood and this sure sounds good. I mother always told me the fanily stories but I don't really have anything else. Cheif Siner would you please tell me how I can get some more details on htis. Fr. Hairline, you seem to be against this being the prooof we need are maybe I mistook what you was saying. I will be greatly appreciated to anyboidy who can help me. How are thinns going for your tribe. I really like yalls site and look foward to hearing form you. Catch you on the flip flop. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

From: "bncsinor" <bncsinor@wnonline.net> To: "Nena Smothers" <smothersnena@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Martha Smothers & James Sinor Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:36:13 -0600 Dear Nena Yes Rita is my sister my Grandfather was George Sinor. My Dad's name was Jess Sinor. He was borned in Mountian home Ark. May 25 1898 Died in a car train accident in oct 56 at stringtown okla. I was borned Apr14 1929 I will be 21 my next Birthday thats the way I see it now the Gov't will say I am 74 my next Birthday but nobody believes what the Gov't Says HAHA I was borned on the old Choctaw Nation in Atoka County Ok. My Grandmother and mother was Borned in Potts county Okla Terr That was the old Pottwamee Nation of okla. My grandFather Took all of his Kids to the Choctaw nation. My mother and her Bro. and sister spocke Choctaw until they started to school. My Grandmother Lena walker Died when the White people gave her the Flu She died on Christmas Day 1918 About years ago I found her Grave in Seminole Okla and placed a tomstone on her Grave Well this is all I can say now. Billy Sinor _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

In a message dated 3/1/03 7:46:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, joejan@viclink.com writes: > Subj: Re: [SMOTHERS] Calling any Sinor desc > Date: 3/1/03 7:46:45 PM Pacific Standard Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:joejan@viclink.com">joejan@viclink.com</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:SMOTHERS-L@rootsweb.com">SMOTHERS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:SMOTHERS-L@rootsweb.com">SMOTHERS-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Karen, I can be of some help with James Franklin Sinor, (b 15 Oct, 1833 in > Tennessee,) this may be the same James who was born in Oklahoma in 1833??) > and his marriage to Martha M. D. Smothers, dt. of Elisha Smothers, who was > born 1800 in Carroll Co., TN. Ask specific questions and I will see if I > have the answers. Until next time, Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Katheo2@aol.com> > To: <SMOTHERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SMOTHERS] Calling any Sinor desc > > > >In a message dated 2/28/03 8:12:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >smothersnena@hotmail.com writes: > > > >>I have on my wall chart on James Franklin Sinor b 1833 OK md to Martha > >>Smothers, dau of Elisha. > >>I also have a son or brother to James-George....wife Jesse or son Jesse > >>with > >>two kids, Billy and Rita.....been awhile since I worked on the Sinor > >>line...but appreciate any help. Wish we could get in touch with Bernie. > >>Would sure like to know if this Billy Sinor fits into them.Nena > >> > > > >Hi, Nena........I forwarded this email to Bernie. Will keep you posted of > >her response. This Billy is in her line. I believe George (from your > email) > >has a son, Jesse, and Billy is the son of Jesse. > > > >Karen Theofanides > > Jan........I believe I, also, have much of this Sinor line in my database, per Bernie. Thanks for the offer. Karen Theofanides

Karen, I can be of some help with James Franklin Sinor, (b 15 Oct, 1833 in Tennessee,) this may be the same James who was born in Oklahoma in 1833??) and his marriage to Martha M. D. Smothers, dt. of Elisha Smothers, who was born 1800 in Carroll Co., TN. Ask specific questions and I will see if I have the answers. Until next time, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Katheo2@aol.com> To: <SMOTHERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [SMOTHERS] Calling any Sinor desc > In a message dated 2/28/03 8:12:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > smothersnena@hotmail.com writes: > > > I have on my wall chart on James Franklin Sinor b 1833 OK md to Martha > > Smothers, dau of Elisha. > > I also have a son or brother to James-George....wife Jesse or son Jesse > > with > > two kids, Billy and Rita.....been awhile since I worked on the Sinor > > line...but appreciate any help. Wish we could get in touch with Bernie. > > Would sure like to know if this Billy Sinor fits into them.Nena > > > > Hi, Nena........I forwarded this email to Bernie. Will keep you posted of > her response. This Billy is in her line. I believe George (from your email) > has a son, Jesse, and Billy is the son of Jesse. > > Karen Theofanides > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

From: "Sharon Statler" <SharonStatler@myfamily.com> To: "Nena Smothers" <smothersnena@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Billy Sinor 2 Date: 28 Feb 2003 16:26:23 -0700 Nena, Here is Billy's reply and his email addy! Looks promising!!!! I'm happy I could be a part of this. :) Dear Sharon I noticed they mentioned Martha Smothers She is my GGreat Grandmother Married James Sinor You can give them my email I dont know if I can help them or not Billy Sinor, bncsinor@wnonline.net _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Not sure how many of you are familiar with myfamily.com sites..they are totally Private sites and very easy to build and operate and free, unless you need more space then its fairly cheap to purchase more space bec when you upload pictures to it, they take up alot of space. But this link helps you find a surname you might want to see if they have a myfamily.com site.....then you can email them and tell them whoyou are looking for and if related....ask them for an invite to their site. Thats the only way you can get into any myfamily.com sites. I did not find any Smothers or Smithers [some of ya'll should built a site] I have a Smeathers one for a few yrs now and all the cuzzies and researchers that help us are the members. You just type in a surname you want and it will search to find it. Thought I would share in case some of you want to connect with cuzzies and family or even build yr own site for yr surname and family and cuzzies. Nena http://www.myfamily.com/isapi.dll?c=home&htx=SiteIndex&siteid=es0G _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

In a message dated 2/28/03 8:12:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, smothersnena@hotmail.com writes: > I have on my wall chart on James Franklin Sinor b 1833 OK md to Martha > Smothers, dau of Elisha. > I also have a son or brother to James-George....wife Jesse or son Jesse > with > two kids, Billy and Rita.....been awhile since I worked on the Sinor > line...but appreciate any help. Wish we could get in touch with Bernie. > Would sure like to know if this Billy Sinor fits into them.Nena > Hi, Nena........I forwarded this email to Bernie. Will keep you posted of her response. This Billy is in her line. I believe George (from your email) has a son, Jesse, and Billy is the son of Jesse. Karen Theofanides

I found this tonight. Noah PARRISH (roop1930@hotmail.com) Saturday, October 26, 2002 at 09:26:52 Looking for descendants of Laura (mainen name may have been Roop or Smothers.) Sons Arthur and Louis. Parrish were born in Paducah,Ky.She was also married to a Campbell. Her half brother-or brother was Edgar T. Roop. Her mother was Almira Pile. She was Indian or part. Looked like a full blood. They all lived in Illinois, as well.

Folks, this is just too strange, I almost call it providence. I got this email fr a gal on one of my Smothers connecting lines... and she shared this Sinor DNA story with me. This sure sounds familiar......besides Bernie, is there anyone else with Sinor connections that might know or recognize this Billy Sinor? I would gather he was born around 1828 in OK. I have on my wall chart on James Franklin Sinor b 1833 OK md to Martha Smothers, dau of Elisha. I also have a son or brother to James-George....wife Jesse or son Jesse with two kids, Billy and Rita.....been awhile since I worked on the Sinor line...but appreciate any help. Wish we could get in touch with Bernie. Would sure like to know if this Billy Sinor fits into them.Nena Hi my name is Billy Sinor. I was born in the state of Oklahoma 74 years ago. I just recently had my DNA anylized and I find that I have lots and lots Of Indian blood coursing thru my veines. I have a very rare american Indian Gene. My people came from the Caucus Mountains to north america when the land bridge was used to come to the north america. The ice maidens of Peru have this X gene as all american Indians should have. I belonged to a canadian or far north u.s. tribe I believe to be cherokee. I believed they lived at one time near the Canadian border and New York. I have this on my mother's side of the Family. If you will Go to familytreedna.com you will see what I am saying. It must be a fact because if your DNA is found at a crime scene, the Gov't will take your life on the basis of your dna, I think, if it is absolute. They can tell you which of the 5 native groups (language) you belong, too. I have 60 percent Indian DNA and 40 percent European Dna. I am so proud that I have the Indian dna, I just wanted you to know. I have been reading your Home page and enjoyed the heck out of it! Billy Sinor _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

From: Sandi Gorin <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> To: KYRESEARCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: TIP #430 - THE KENTUCKY SALTPETER INDUSTRY Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:12:45 -0600 Saltpeter, also known as Quick Salt is a white, translucent and lustrous mineral composed of potassium nitrate. It is found in surface soils in Spain, Egypt and Iran and in the loose soil of limestone caves in Kentucky, Tennessee and the Mississippi Valley among other places. Today it is used as a fertilizer, in the production of glass, preserves foods and in some medicines. But during the early days of Kentucky and elsewhere, it was used as gunpowder. In early Kentucky days, people knew of quick salt as much as regular "table" salt. Kentucky has many dry caves, necessary for saltpeter and a major industry was begun when the War of 1812 and even the Civil War threatened. Monk Estill was a slave and made a name for himself in the annals of Kentucky history. It was he who provided Fort Boonesborough and the Estill Station with saltpeter to make gunpowder as early as 1780. Only 25 years later there were twenty-eight saltpeter caves and rock shelters being mined in the state. During the War of 1812, the demand for saltpeter was intensified because a blockade of U S Ports by the British embargo of 1807 cut off American supplies from India. The prices shot up, the demand was up and the need was met by massive exploration in some of the dry caves, including Mammoth Cave in Edmonson County and a producing cave called The Great Saltpeter Cave" in Rockcastle County, KY. Dixon Cave, which is near Mammoth was also used. There was a large powder mill on Boozy Creek, and it was operated back in the early 1800s and possibly before by the Hughes family. In Mammoth Cave, wooden vats were built inside the entrance and at Booth's Amphitheater and the Rotunda in the cave. Log pipes carried water into the cave for the leaching of the calcium nitrate from the soil and was pumped to the surface. There it was treated with wood ashes and boiled in large kettles to crystalize. According to Foxfire (see below): "The next step was to combine the mother liquor rich in calcium nitrate with wood ashes that contain high amounts of potassium hydroxide. The best wood ashes for this purpose were made by burning hardwoods such as oak and hickory. The mother liquor was either poured directly over the woodashes or the woodashes were leached in barrels and the leachate directly combined with the mother liquor. Upon combination, a white haze could be seen , and this white precipitate (calcium hydroxide or 'curds' as it was called) would slowly sink to the bottom of the barrel. If the solution contained an excess of calcium nitrate, the product was termed 'in the grease.' An excess of wood ashes produced a condition called 'in the ley.' "The wood ash leachate was poured into the mother liquor until the white curds could no longer be seen precipitating out of solution. The remaining solution thus contained the still soluble potassium nitrate. This solution was dipped out into an apple-butter kettle (or "evaporator"), and a fire started under the kettle. Turnip halves were then thrown into the boiling solution to help keep it from foaming and to take up the dirty brown color. Oxblood (or alum) was also added to the boiling liquid and caused the organic matter to rise to the top of the liquid and form a scum which, with continued boiling, was constantly ladled off. After a few hours of boiling, the hot liquor was poured through cheesecloth in order to filter out the remaining scum and organic material. Upon cooling, fine, bitter, needle-shaped crystals of niter (potassium nitrate) formed in the liquor. These crystals were then collected and dried. Potassium nitrate crystals were far superior to calcium or sodium-nitrate crystals because they are non-deliquescent (do not take up moisture from the air) and, hence, would not make the gunpowder wet and unusable. The nitrate crystals thus obtained had to be further refined and purified. This purification procedure was done either by the individual and homemade into gunpowder, or it was done after the saltpeter crystals were sent to a refinery where the final gunpowder was made." After 1811, production demands dropped at Mammoth Cave because the soil containing the nitrate was totally depleted. Then when the New Madrid Earthquake hit, the operation was damaged. After the war foreign imports increased and the prices dropped causing the abandonment of the saltpeter mining operation. Many slaves worked the saltpeter caves, but is not meant to be comprehensive. Information gained primarily from The Foxfire Book, Volume 5, (c) 1979, Doubleday books. I recommend the Foxfire Books for a good insight into many factors of old-time living. According to Foxfire, black powder was made of saltpeter, charcoal and sulfur, each needing to be ground separately (measurements given but not included). This was done by the individual making his own gunpowder by using a mortal and pestle, or even a flour mill. This powder is mixed with a small amount of water to make it like a biscuit dough. Some people mixed with urine which gave the gun powder more oxygen and performed better! An alternate way of making saltpeter would be mixing urine and manure in a big tank and mixing it with water. It was left to "brew" for about ten months. The liquid was drained off through ashes into shallow wooden trays and let stand to evaporate. What is left is the potassium nitrate crystals (saltpeter). Many people who lived in cities had outhouses. There was a tray or drawer under the seats that could be pulled out. The people paid collectors who came by night about once a month and dumped the contents into a special wagon. When the wagons were full, another man bought the contents of the wagon and dumped it into concrete tanks. The liquid was run through the ashes into evaporating trays or basins to collect the saltpeter. Charcoal was needed when the gunpowder was lit. According to Foxfire, when burning the carbon assists in making potassium carbonates and carbon sulfates during the instant of a second it is burning. This is primarily released at the muzzle as smoke. The residue remains in the barrel and has to be cleaned out after every shot or every third shot. The charcoal should be made from western cedar, chinaberry, willow, cottonwood or soft pine only. (c) Copyright 27 Feb 2002, Sandra K.Gorin. All rights reserved. sgorin@glasgow-ky.com Col. 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From: Barb Marshall <marchado@pacbell.net> Reply-To: INDIANA-L@rootsweb.com To: INDIANA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIANA] Warning from List Mom Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:07:10 -0800 Someone sent me this and I thought it was worth passing on. NEVER give out your credit card or bank card number for what's supposed to be free. When ANCESTRY did this some time back, a friend called their toll free number and said she wanted to try the free offer, but would not give them those account numbers. They said "fine" and signed her up for the trial with no more questions. Any reputable company should do this. All they need is your name and email address. You might want to just give them your first initial. But DON'T give anyone your card numbers unless you are certain it is safe. Happy ancestor hunting! List Mom Barb Family Discovery is up to old tricks Hi Everyone: The old genealogy scam is back. www.genseekers.com Behind the password protection are links to the free genealogy on-line. There is no content of their own. In order to get the "5-day free trial" you have to surrender a credit card or bank account number. You have to cancel within 5 days or you get dinged. Guess what? The cancellation e-mail bounces. Does this surprise you? One person who recently fell for the come-on had his/her account dinged not once, but twice. It is time to remind folks on your state and county mailing lists about these scoundrels. It has been a couple of years since we have mentioned this. Permission is granted to pass this on. ==== INDIANA Mailing List ==== _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Recently a researcher mentioned to me, she had found finally her 'lynchpin'.....of course I had to find out exactly what she meant by this.....and I did...love the definition and just sounds so sound! thought I would share it as I had never ever heard it used as a foundation for an ancestor before...but hope to refer to it in the future! thanks, Nena Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:31:46 -0500 lynch·pin NOUN: 1. A locking pin inserted in the end of a shaft, as in an axle, to prevent a wheel from slipping off. 2. A central cohesive element: Reduced spending is the linchpin of their economic program. ETYMOLOGY: Middle English linspin : lins, linchpin (from Old English lynis)+ pin, pin (from Old English pinn; see pin). So in other words....an ancestor who is referred as a 'lynch pin' certainly is the foundation discovery! So let us go forth and find our LynchPins!! :o) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Barbra...just curious if you have a bit of info on your Nancy York that md Benjamin Smothers, son of Hugh Smothers [I think] got that on my wall chart [kinda messed it up a bit] trying to straighten it out, any help is appreciate.....do you think yr York might be related to the one Jackie speaks too.... From: Jackie Johnston <johnston@tnweb.com> Pyles-Smothers. I recieved an e-mail the other day said that they had Pyle/Pile(s) in their line. They said they had a connection to the York family and they thought they had a connection to my Earp's. My connection is through James and Milky "Smothers" Winfrey . I am a descendant to ther oldest daughter, Mary. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I have been looking at some connections you may have with my family on "genforum". I will try to connect the names that you have been researching to mine. I will try to go back to the eldest descendent that I have. I have a Mariah Barnhill that Samuel Woodfin (1812 Rutherford County Tn) Sarah Brothers with son that are living next to Nancy Earp in 1850-60 Rutherford County Tn Census Whittemore-Brother marriage I think. One of my Jefferson Earp son's married a Whittemore. Her name is Mary Ann Whittemore married James Miller Earp in Tennessee around 1850. Her parents were James and Emily "Cawthorn" Whittemore. He is the son of Gower Whittemore. Martha Brown married to Jefferson Earp (Bedford Cty TN-1826) Thomas Brown married Rebecca Smothers (John Smothers and Catherine Sherwood) Looking for Thomas Brown's parents? James and Elizabeth (Tubb) Bates: parents to Mary Polly Bates that married that married William Chandler. William Chandler married Locinda ANDERSON (believe to be my Anderson connection) North Carolina to Hickman County TN: 1790-???? Nancy Moore marries "Unknown EARP" , father to Jefferson, Mariah (married Levi Cook Anderson, Locinda would be his aunt) and Nancy "Jane" Earp Pyles-Smothers. I recieved an e-mail the other day said that they had Pyle/Pile(s) in their line. They said they had a connection to the York family and they thought they had a connection to my Earp's. My connection is through James and Milky "Smothers" Winfrey . I am a descendant to ther oldest daughter, Mary. I was wondering if you know anyone that is researching the Pyle/Pile(s)? I am looking for a connection with a Conrad "Coonrad" Pyle/Pile(s) to see if he is connected to our Pyles. If you think any of your ancestors that I stated are related? I would really be interested in your opinion Thanks, Jackie --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses at TNWEB LLC]

Hi, This is my family. The Arin should be Orin though. Daniel and Angelina are my great-grandparents. Janet

Nena, RE: the message below, IN WHAT STATE IS SENECA CO., ?? JAN > > Nina>Just recieved a packages of notes from a Seneca Co. > researcher. This took my eye and thought it might help some one. 2 Pages > with Cemetery info. > > RED BANK CEMETERY > Their are 7 stones drawn on it. > #2 is the bigest with "In Memory" on it, > #4 "John" > #^ Geos, 1, 3.5 & 6 are small. > > Now to what is wrote on this page. > In memory of George s/o John & Rosa Linda Smothers d. 11 Dec 1826 age 5 > weeks. > Also 2 infant sons, the first of which d. 1831, second 1833 > > John Smothers d. 20 Dec 1867 age 70 > Henry Smothers d. 21 Nov 1872 age 60yrs14mo18da > Elizabeth w/o Henry Smothers ?(Birdsell)? d 21 Sep 1890 71yr1mo27da > Orrel A. Smothers 1842-1917 > > Markers on Tussis Rd. Cemetery > #1 > Angelina Smothers Daniel F. Smethers > 1842-1918 Oct 19 1841 Oct 12 1892 51yrs1mo23da > > #2 > Charles E. Smothers Arin H. Smethers > Jun 21 1872 4-24-1870 > Dec 14 1881 12-8-1891 > 19yr3mo28da 21yrs7mo14da > > #3 > Ima A. Smothers > Born 10 1871 > > #4 > Roberty Mahaffey Elizabeth w/o Robert > 4-17-1892 Jun 17 1907 > 86yr 3mo 3da 77yr8mo10da > > #5 > Matthew Mahaffey Priscilla w/o Matthew > Feb 15 1876 Feb 24 1876 > 72yr4mo4da 83yr8mo10da > > #7 > George MCLevel/livil Emily w/o George > 2-4-1890 Feb 24 1890 > 68yr8mo7da 74yr1mo28da > under this is wrote: Parents of Amos & Homer) > > Whoever wrote this must have knew of a tie in too, these families. > Maybe you'r wall will have them on it already. Just though someone might be > looking for them.>Lois > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Jackie Here is a chart on the John Smothers Catherine Sherwood family. This Smothers mail list has been quiet for a while. I hope that this will help you. Noah Smothers Descendants of John R. Smothers 1 John R. Smothers 1780 - 1855 .. +Catherine Sherwood 1774 - ......... 2 Elizabeth Smothers 1803 - 1893 ............. +Archibald Stinson .................... 3 John Harrison Stinson .................... 3 James Anderson Stinson .................... 3 Sarah Catherine Stinson 1826 - 1870 ........................ +James Hill .................... 3 Miltha Ellen Stinson .................... 3 Archibald Vinson Stinson 1831 - ........................ +Mary A. ? 1830 - ............................... 4 Archie T. Stinson 1861 - ............................... 4 Ann Eliza B. Stinson 1866 - .................... 3 William Wood Stinson 1823 - 1907 ........................ +Margaret Emily Vandiver .................... 3 Thomas Brown Stinson 1834 - 1916 ........................ +Mariah Ellen Vanderveer .................... 3 George Washington Stinson .................... 3 Nancy Elizabeth Stinson 1838 - 1875 ........................ +Silas Henry Colyear .................... 3 Micajah Terry Stinson .................... 3 Rebecca Elizabeth Stinson 1842 - 1842 .................... 3 Greenbury Dempsey Stinson .................... 3 Calvin Carlee Stinson .................... 3 Rebecca Elizabeth Stinson .................... 3 Lucy Susan Stinson ......... 2 Rebecca Smothers 1803 - 1877 ............. +Thomas Brown ......... 2 Margaret Smothers 1803 - ......... 2 Elenore Nellie Smothers 1808 - 1873 ............. +William B. Smothers 1809 - .................... 3 William J. Smothers .................... 3 Nancy Smothers .................... 3 Elizabeth Smothers .................... 3 Susannah Smothers .................... 3 David Smothers .................... 3 Rebecca Smothers .................... 3 John Smothers .................... 3 Jacob Smothers .................... 3 Jesse Smothers ......... 2 Milkey Smothers 1809 - ............. +James Winfrey .................... 3 George Winfrey 1832 - .................... 3 Henry Clayborne Winfrey 1836 - .................... 3 John Winfrey 1847 - .................... 3 Samuel "Polk" Winfrey 1848 - .................... 3 James Winfrey 1858 - .................... 3 Mary Winfrey ........................ +? Earp .................... 3 Martha Winfrey ........................ +? Arnold .................... 3 Jane Winfrey ........................ +? Norvell .................... 3 Nancy Rebecca Winfrey ........................ +? Pate ......... 2 Catherine Smothers 1811 - ......... 2 Mary Polly Smothers 1817 - 1877 ............. +Jamison Bailey ......... *2nd Husband of Mary Polly Smothers: ............. +John Threewitt ......... 2 John Hiram Casey Smothers 1819 - 1891 ............. +Elizabeth Warner Smothers 1819 - .................... 3 Mary E. Smothers 1840 - .................... 3 Eli "Elias" Smothers 1841 - .................... 3 William C. Smothers 1842 - .................... 3 John Wesley Smothers 1848 - .................... 3 Archellis Casey " Kellis" Smothers 1850 - ........................ +Hester Florence Bain ............................... 4 Stanley Ray Smothers ................................... +Mildred Grace Jacobs ........................................... 5 Don Smothers ............................................... +Candy .................... 3 Hugh Smothers 1855 - .................... 3 Hamilton Smothers 1857 - ......... *2nd Wife of John Hiram Casey Smothers: ............. +Sarah J. Vandiver ......... 2 Sarah Elmira Smothers 1827 - 1877 ............. +Gardner D. Threewitt ......... 2 William W. Smothers 1828 - 1877 ............. +Mrs. Nancy Todd 1814 - ......... 2 Elisha Smothers 1829 - 1861 ............. +Sarah Matilda Sullivan 1828 - 1912 .................... 3 Joshua (Josephus) Smothers 1850 - .................... 3 Mary Jane Smothers 1851 - .................... 3 Charity Smothers 1855 - .................... 3 Sarah Matilda Smothers 1857 - .................... 3 Rebecca Ann Smothers 1858 - .................... 3 Margaret J. Smothers 1860 - ......... 2 Thomas F. Smothers 1830 - ............. +Sarah White ......... *2nd Wife of Thomas F. Smothers: ............. +Sarah E. Pyle 1833 - .................... 3 Nancy M. Smothers 1855 - .................... 3 Louisa J. Smothers 1859 - ........................ +Elijah Robinson .................... 3 America Smothers 1864 - ........................ +William D. Taylor 1860 - .................... 3 William Thomas Smothers 1867 - ........................ +Sarah Brown 1868 - *2nd Wife of John R. Smothers: .. +Mima Ridley 1815 - ......... 2 Elihu Liles Smothers 1836 - 1877 ............. +Rosannah Threewitt ......... 2 Martin Smothers 1841 - 1860 ............. +Almira "Elmira" Plye 1837 - .................... 3 Mary Malvina Smothers 1860 - ......... 2 James Arthur Smothers 1842 - 1932 ............. +Elizabeth Josephine Swisher 1857 - 1889 .................... 3 Claud Elmer Smothers 1879 - ........................ +Bertha Ann Elsie Westpahl 1885 - 1907 ............................... 4 Sidney Earl Smothers 1906 - 1956 ................................... +Catherine Grenier 1911 - 1972 ........................................... 5 Ronald Smothers Prudhomme ......... 2 Nancy A. Smothers 1843 - ......... 2 Jackson Smothers 1844 - 1932 ......... 2 Edmond Smothers 1846 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Johnston" <johnston@tnweb.com> To: <SMOTHERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: [SMOTHERS] SMOTHERS'S-PYLE/PILE (S) Connection. : I am looking for information on a connection to the John and Catherine : (Sherwood) Smothers that married Pyle(s)/Pile(s). I am looking to see if : there is a connection between these Pyle(s)/Pile(s) and a Conrad or : Coonrad Pile(s)/Pyle(s) was believe to have been born in Buncombe County : North Carolina around 1766. He moved to Fentress County in Tennessee and : passed away about 1864. He had son Elijah that married a Rebecca Earp : they had several children that married Williams, Delks, Riley, Stewarts : and Brooks. Fentress County is near Sumner County in Tennessee. : : Any information would be appreciated. Spelling of names may vary. Thanks : in advance. : : Jackie : : --- : [This E-mail scanned for viruses at TNWEB LLC] : : : ============================== : To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: : http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 :

Nena Thanks for this site. It has my Great Uncle Roy Smothers whom I have looked for 4 years now to find any information about him. He was inducted on 11/1/1913 at the age of 18 1/4 years and served overseas from 8/3/1917 to 10/18/1919. It says he was severely wounded 22 July 1918. It also says that on the date of discharge he was not disabled. There is also a Basil C. Smothers, from the Cainsville Mo., area. Benjamin Harris Smothers, born Mt. Meigs, Al., inducted at Kansas City, Missouri. Bert Smothers, born Bloomfield, Iowa., inducted Bloomfield Iowa, residence Lancaster, Missouri. Gerald Truman Smothers, born Ridgeway, Missouri, Inducted at Bethany, Missouri. John D. Smothers, born Lancaster Missouri, inducted Bloomfield Iowa. Leonard A. Smothers, born Franklin County, Illinois, residence Bernie, Missouri. Ward M. Smothers, born Mercer County, Missouri, inducted at Bethany, Missouri. Claude Standford Smotherman, cannot open image on him. (Navy) Alfred Lee Smotherman, born Birch Tree Missouri, inducted at Eminence, Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nena Smothers" <smothersnena@hotmail.com> To: <SMOTHERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:25 AM Subject: [SMOTHERS] WWI Service Cards - for MO : For you Missouri researchers out there, the MO Secretary of State : website now has World War I Service Cards online. : : The World War I Military Service Cards database provides information : about Missouri men and women who served both stateside and overseas : from 1917 to 1919. The database searches abstracts of 145,000 : service cards for the United States Army and Marines, as well as : digitized images of 18,500 United States Navy service cards. : The link is: : http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/ww1/ : : : : _________________________________________________________________ : The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* : http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail : : : ============================== : To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: : http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 :