Found this on Ancestry.com Karen Database: Alabama Marriages, 1800-1920 Spouse 1 Spouse 2 Marriage Date Marriage Place Micajah Smothers Susan Watkins 10 Aug 1854 Barbour J. C. Thurston Mahala Catherine Smothers 17 Jun 1888 Dale M. L. Whitehead Sarah F. Smothers 04 Jul 1889 Dale William B. Smothers Argiann C. Whitehead 27 Jul 1890 Dale R. R. Smothers Nellie Kirkland 01 Nov 1895 Dale B. H. Kirkland A. L. Smothers 15 Nov 1896 Dale William J. Smothers Bethany V. Brock 01 Apr 1900 Dekalb Jas. Smothers Vinnie Cobb 30 Oct 1884 Dekalb Mattison Smothers Leona Garrett 16 Jan 1895 Dekalb Everett G. Smothers Mary B. Hendon 18 Nov 1896 Dekalb W. J. Smothers Ida Teague 29 Mar 1899 Dekalb Noah Johnson Cora Smothers 16 Oct 1899 Etowah A. F. Ellis Paralee Smothers 08 Dec 1888 Fayette J. H. Smothers Siney Williams 20 Apr 1896 Fayette Francis M. Smothers Louisa Estis 20 Nov 1872 Lamar John T. Smothers Susie F. Jennings 06 Aug 1880 Lamar D. C. Johnson Lula Smothers 03 Jan 1898 Pickens D. C. Johnson Lula Smothers 03 Jan 1898 Pickens George Bowers Adaline Smothers 16 Oct 1891 Winston George C. Bowens Adaline Smothers 16 Oct 1891 Winston Joseph Smothers Lon Hendricks 01 Jan 1901 Winston

Name Cemetery Location Reference SMOTHERS, Jacob Beach Haven Cem Salem Twp, Luzerne Co PA 71 Abstract of Graves of Revolutionary Patriots, Vol.4, p. —Serial: 12978; Volume: 2

Noah...do you have any siblings for Andrew...Debbie and I still looking for our William's parents and siblings....thanks...Nena anyone who can add their line below please do and thanks. Debbie says>>going through some old emails and saw his one. "You Know" said>that a few times - William could so easily fit into this family. Andrew>may have been brother to William's father. They migrated from Washington>County, Virginia into Kentucky around the same time as William. Way back>then families seldom traveled by themselves. Bath County wasn't formed>until 1811 but before that it was Montgomery and before that Clark and>before that Fayette. Bath County is not far from Lexington, Ky. Andrew can>also be found in Augusta County, VA 1765. Something else that is worrying>is we can't find any record of a William Smithers/Smeathers/Smothers in>Virginia owning land. Could his father's name be different and he was only>a child when they left Virginia <smile> I know, I keep harping on this but>I can't ignore the dates we have unlike some in past.>These Smothers didn't seem to travel too from the nest since most are still>in the area in 1850 unlike our bunch. > >History books should be able to give us a clue when people started >migrating>from Virginia into now days Kentucky. - > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Noah E. Smothers" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:12 PM >Subject: [SMOTHERS] Andrew Smothers > >Descendants of Andrew Smothers > >Generation No. 1 > 1. Andrew1 Smothers was born Abt. 1738, and died 1824 in Bath >County,>Kentucky. He married Sarah Abt. 1761 in Virginia.**Noah's line, > >Children of Andrew Smothers and Sarah are: > 2 i. John2 Smothers, born Abt. 1762 in Abingdon, Washington County, >Virginia. He married Prudence Box October 06, 1801 in Clark County, >Kentucky. > > 3 ii. Ann Smothers, born Abt. 1764 in Washington County, Virginia. She >married George Jackson May 24, 1785 in Washington County, Virginia. > > 4 iii. Hugh Smothers, born Abt. 1766 in Washington County, Virginia; >died>Abt. 1840 in Franklin County, Indiana. He married (1) Unkown in >Kentucky.>He married (2) Mary Hopkins.**I know this is Barbra's line** > > 5 iv. Susanna Smothers, born Abt. 1768 in Washington County, Virginia. >She>married Samuel Gibson September 03, 1792 in Washington County, >Virginia. > > 6 v. Elizabeth Smothers, born Abt. 1770. > > 7 vi. Margaret Smothers, born Abt. 1773 in Washington County, >Virginia.>She married John Bristow Jr. Abt. 1807. > > 8 vii. Thomas Smothers, born Abt. 1775 in Washington County, Virginia; >died>Abt. 1830 in Bath County, Kentucky. He married Rebecca Johns >September 09,>1799 in Washington County, Virginia.**know this is Noah's >line > > 9 viii. Sarah Smothers, born Abt. 1779 in Washington County, Virginia; >died>Abt. 1854 in Iowa. She married William Hopkins Abt. 1804 in Kentucky. > > 10 ix. Joseph Smothers, born April 25, 1781. > > 11 x. Martha Smothers, born Abt. 1783 in Washington County, Virginia. >She>married James Fowler. > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Will of Thomas Smothers Orange County, North Carolina Will Book C, pages 57, 58 Absolute Lord, as it is appointed to all men once to die, I, Thomas Smothers, considering my own mortality and being very sick and weak but of perfect mind and memory do recommend my soul to God who gave it and my body to be buried in a decent manner at the discretion of my friends, do give and bequeath my worldy goods in the manner following. First, I give and bequeath to my loving wife, Susannah Smothers, my land with all the tenements and improvements thereof and likewise all the stock of creatures of every kind and household furniture and farming utensils of every kind during her life and to her disposing the quantity of acres of land--three hundred and twenty. I give, likewise, to my son, William Smothers, one shilling sterling. Likewise, to John Smothers one shilling and to James Smothers one shilling sterling and to Thomas Smothers one shilling sterling and likewise to Sarah Smothers one shilling sterling and Rebecca Summers one shilling sterling and to Elizabeth Pickerel one shilling sterling and to Mary Smothers one shilling sterling to be paid out of my estate and do likewise renounce all wills, legacies, gifts before this and do acknowledge this to be my last will and testament, leaving my wife, Susannah Smothers, Executrix of this my last will and likewise, Alexander Summers, Administrator, with token thereof. I hereunto set my hand and seal this 20th day of August Anno Domini one thousand seven hundred and ninety five. Signed his Thomas (x) Smothers mark Testators, John Daniels and Jonathon Clampit Orange County, August Term 1795. The execution of the foregoing last will and Testament of Thomas Smothers deceased, was duly proved in open court by the oath of John Daniels, a subscribing witness thereto and ordered to be recorded. At the same time, Susannah Smothers, Executrix, and Alexander Summers, Executor were qualified Accordingly.

<< There is a will listed for a Thomas Smathers/Smothers 1795 North Carolina will abstracts 1760-1800, wife Susanna, children William, John, James, Thomas, Sarah, Mary, does anyone have access to a copy of this will? >> If you can research the archives of the SMOTHERS list, you can find copies of a few wills. I thought I had them saved in my files, but cannot find them right now. Maybe someone else on the list has them, because a while back we had a big discussion concerning these wills...trying to identify children. Karen

Here is the line of Tom and Dick Smothers, perhaps someone can help add to it. There were several Smothers that enlisted in the civil war in Rockingham Co., North Carolina. Probably some of these were brothers to Thomas Madison Smothers, he also received a pension from the war. There is a will listed for a Thomas Smathers/Smothers 1795 North Carolina will abstracts 1760-1800, wife Susanna, children William, John, James, Thomas, Sarah, Mary, does anyone have access to a copy of this will? As they say on TV, whose line is it? Good night and God Bless Noah Smothers Descendants of Thomas Randall Smathers/Smothers Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS RANDALL1 SMATHERS/SMOTHERS1 born unkown, died March 14, 1881 in Rockingham, Co., North Carolina1. He married SUSANA MAYS1 August 18, 1830 in Guilford, North Carolina1. Notes for THOMAS RANDALL SMATHERS/SMOTHERS: [Thomas Randall Smothers.FTW] IGI Record, batch numer 7733415, source call no. 1126169, Susana Mays married Thomas R. Smathers, 18 aug. 1830 Guilford, North Carolina, record no. 02 406, bondsman Stephen Young, witness A.E. Hanner, bond # 000059676. Child of THOMAS SMATHERS/SMOTHERS and SUSANA MAYS is: 2. i. THOMAS MADISON2 SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1840. Generation No. 2 2. THOMAS MADISON2 SMOTHERS (THOMAS RANDALL1 SMATHERS/SMOTHERS)1 was born Abt. 18401. He married EMELINE COIL GARRETT1 October 21, 1868 in Rockingham, North Carolina1, daughter of JARRETT GARRETT and CLARISSA HILL. Notes for THOMAS MADISON SMOTHERS: [Thomas Randall Smothers.FTW] Civil War Muster Rolls Thomas Madison Smothers, enlisted 21 August 1861, Rockingham County, North Carolina, Private, served North Carolina I Co. 13th Inf. Reg. NC. source North Carolina Troops 1861-65, A. Roster. Confederacy Also a Garland D. Smothers, enlisted 03 May 1861, Rockingham County, North Carolina, private age 26, Promoted to Full Corpl on 15 April 1862, Promoted to Full Sergt on 01 Sept. 1862. served North Carolina, enlisted I Co. 13th Inf. Reg. NC. Killed at South Mountain, MD., on 14 Sep. 1862. source North Carolina Troops 1861-65, A roster. Confederacy Their are others that enlisted in Rockingham, North Carolina, Nathan W. Smothers, age 21, enlisted 27 June 1862, enlisted E Co. 45th Inf Reg NC., Wiliam Gallant Smothers, enlisted 27 Feb. 1862 Private, 21 years of age,enlisted E.Co. 45th Ing Reg. NC., James P. Smothers, enlisted 05 October 1862, Private age 25, listed Rockingham as residence ,enlisted at Drewry's Bluff, Va., served North Carolina E. Co. 45th Inf. Reg NC., surrendered at Appomattox Court House, Va., 09 April 1865, detailed as a blacksmith for much of the war. source North Carolina Troops 1861-65, A., roster., William C. Smothers, enlisted 27 Feb. 1862, Priv., age 30, served North Carolina E. Co., 45th Inf. Reg. NC., died disease POW at Point lookout, MD. on 19 April 1865, died of inflammation of the lungs, source North Carolina Troops 1861-65, A. roster. A. J. Smothers Enlisted 01 Sep. 1862, Wake County, Nc., private, residence Rockingham county, age 27, served North Carolina, K Co. 45th Inf, Reg. NC., source North Carolina Troops 1861-65 A roster. Civil War Pension Index Thomas M. Smothers, wife Emma C. Smothers, filed North Carolina. Thomas Madison "Matt" Smothers. Children of THOMAS SMOTHERS and EMELINE GARRETT are: 3. i. HUGH PATRICK3 SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1871. ii. JOHN RAINE SMOTHERS1, b. Abt. 18731. 4. iii. THOMAS BOLLING/BOLYN SMOTHERS, b. May 01, 1874, New Bethel Rockingham, N.C.; d. August 15, 1958, Winston Salem, North Carolina. iv. SUE LILLIAN SMOTHERS1, b. Abt. 18771. v. OLLIE LORENE SMOTHERS1, b. Abt. 18791. vi. INFANT SMOTHERS1, b. Abt. 18811. vii. INFANT SMOTHERS1, b. Abt. 18811. viii. GUS GARRETT SMOTHERS1, b. Abt. 18831. ix. RUBEN REID SMOTHERS1, b. Abt. 18851. x. ADDIE WALTON SMOTHERS1, b. Abt. 18871; m. JOSEPH LEE JARVIS1. xi. THOMAS BOLLING SMOTHERS, b. May 01, 1875; m. MAUDE FRANCIS REED, February 02, 1899. Generation No. 3 3. HUGH PATRICK3 SMOTHERS (THOMAS MADISON2, THOMAS RANDALL1 SMATHERS/SMOTHERS)1 was born Abt. 18711. Child of HUGH PATRICK SMOTHERS is: i. HUGH PATRICK SMOTHERS4 JR.1, b. December 12, 19001; d. July 19, 1981, High Point, Guilford, North Carolina1; m. TILLIE SIOUSKA SCOTT1. 4. THOMAS BOLLING/BOLYN3 SMOTHERS (THOMAS MADISON2, THOMAS RANDALL1 SMATHERS/SMOTHERS)1 was born May 01, 1874 in New Bethel Rockingham, N.C.1, and died August 15, 1958 in Winston Salem, North Carolina1. He married MAUDE FRANCIS REID1 February 05, 1899 in Mayodan, N.C.1. Children of THOMAS SMOTHERS and MAUDE REID are: 5. i. THOMAS BOLYN SMOTHERS4 JR., b. July 27, 1908, North Carolina; d. April 26, 1945, Japan. ii. BRONA REID SMOTHERS1, b. February 22, 19101. iii. PAUL G. SMOTHERS1, b. May 14, 19031. Generation No. 4 5. THOMAS BOLYN SMOTHERS4 JR. (THOMAS BOLLING/BOLYN3 SMOTHERS, THOMAS MADISON2, THOMAS RANDALL1 SMATHERS/SMOTHERS)1 was born July 27, 1908 in North Carolina1, and died April 26, 1945 in Japan1. He married RUTH REMICK1 January 19351. Notes for THOMAS BOLYN SMOTHERS JR.: [Thomas Randall Smothers.FTW] Major Thomas Bolyn Smothers III, was stationed at Governor's Island, New York City, the Smothers Brothers, Tom and Dick were born in the base Hospital. Major Smothers died aboard a prisoner of war ship, Japan, April 26, 1945. Children of THOMAS JR. and RUTH REMICK are: i. THOMAS BOLYN5 SMOTHERS III1, b. February 02, 1937, New York City, Governor's Island1. Notes for THOMAS BOLYN SMOTHERS III: [Thomas Randall Smothers.FTW] Thomas Bolyn Smothers III, also known as Tom Smothers, of the famous Smothers Brother's duo, comedian, actor, singer. Much has been written about Tom and Dick Smothers. ii. RICHARD RICKETT SMOTHERS1, b. November 20, 1939, NEW York City, Governor's Island1. Notes for RICHARD RICKETT SMOTHERS: [Thomas Randall Smothers.FTW] Richard Remick Smothers, yo yo man, also known as Dick Smothers of the famous Smothers Brothers duo, comedian, actor, singer. iii. CHARON SMOTHERS1. Endnotes 1. Thomas Randall Smothers.FTW, Date of Import: Oct 3, 2000.

Can anybody add to this line? Noah Descendants of Thomas Madison Smothers Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS MADISON1 SMOTHERS was born Abt. 1840. He married EMMA COIL GARRETT Abt. 1867, daughter of JARRETT GARRETT and CLARISSA HILL. Children of THOMAS SMOTHERS and EMMA GARRETT are: i. HUGH PATRICK2 SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1871. ii. JOHN RAINE SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1873. 2. iii. THOMAS BOLLING SMOTHERS, b. May 01, 1875, New Bethel Rockingham, N.C.. iv. SUE LILLIAN SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1877. v. OLLIE LORENE SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1879. vi. INFANT SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1881. vii. INFANT SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1881. viii. GUS GARRETT SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1883. ix. RUBEN REID SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1885. x. ADDIE WALTON SMOTHERS, b. Abt. 1887; m. J. W. WALTON. Generation No. 2 2. THOMAS BOLLING2 SMOTHERS (THOMAS MADISON1) was born May 01, 1875 in New Bethel Rockingham, N.C.. He married MAUD FRANCIS REID February 05, 1899 in Mayodan, N.C.. Children of THOMAS SMOTHERS and MAUD REID are: 3. i. THOMAS BOLYN3 SMOTHERS, b. July 22, 1908, North Carolina. ii. BRONA REID SMOTHERS, b. February 22, 1910. iii. PAUL G. SMOTHERS, b. May 14, 1903. Generation No. 3 3. THOMAS BOLYN3 SMOTHERS (THOMAS BOLLING2, THOMAS MADISON1) was born July 22, 1908 in North Carolina. He married RUTH RICKETT January 1935. Children of THOMAS SMOTHERS and RUTH RICKETT are: i. THOMAS BOLYN4 SMOTHERS. ii. RICHARD RICKETT SMOTHERS.

Tom Smothers, born Thomas Bolyn Smothers III, sibling Dick Smothers born Governor;s Island, New York City, father Major Thomas Bolyn Smothers, family ties to North Carolina. Does anybody have information on a Thomas Bolyn Smothers the first? Some information has the line from James Pickney Smothers. Noah Smothers

******************** you can check the following site for territorial maps--KY did not become a state until 1792. <A HREF="http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MAP/terr_hp.html">U.S. Territorial Maps 1775-1920</A> ****************************************** Subj: Re: [SMOTHERS] Bransford Stemmery Date: 9/30/00 4:27:15 PM Mountain Daylight Time From: [email protected] (Nena Smothers) Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Time period is about 1770, Russ. Thanks so much for telling me what a stemmery is. I've been looking at maps for 2 days trying to figure this all out. Virginia, obviously was quite large at one time, 200 miles wide or something to that effect...and I think even if this killing of my grandfather ocurred where one could see the Ohio River, it had to be in KY..not Va...the Ohio RVR does not touch even WV I dont think and that would have been part of VA in those days too., right?

Time period is about 1770, Russ. Thanks so much for telling me what a stemmery is. I've been looking at maps for 2 days trying to figure this all out. Virginia, obviously was quite large at one time, 200 miles wide or something to that effect...and I think even if this killing of my grandfather ocurred where one could see the Ohio River, it had to be in KY..not Va...the Ohio RVR does not touch even WV I dont think and that would have been part of VA in those days too., right? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Good evening Nena, 1) what time period are we talking about with regards to the Ohio Valley. Remember that prior to the establishment of TN, OH, IN and KY, that was VA. 2) a stemmery is a buiding used in the tobacco industry. After tobacco is dried, some is re-dried to the specifics of a customer. That is a seperate unit from the warehouses or drying houses. So Brandford Stemmery would be a builing used in the tobacco growth by a family named Bransford. 3) I will be up pretty late tonight if you should need me. hee hee. Your cousin, Russ - --------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Nena Smothers <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:06 PM Subject: [SMOTHERS] Bransford Stemmery > > I was so excited about this new kin...I meant to also ask if anyone knows > what a "Bransford Stemmery " is....this new kin has told me that my elusive > 5th generation grandfather Smither [m. to Anna Marie mary] was killed on the > site of the Bransford Stemmery, within view of the Ohio River....and found > by his sons, William & James and some neighbours...so this difusses the info > he was killed in Virginia...as ..as far as I know the Ohio River borders > western kentucky, if I am not mistaken...but sure would like to know what a > Stemmery is??? He read on to say from this information that the family did > stay there awhile longer, then the mother Anna Marie mary died and believed > both to be buried right there as William's body was torn by Indians and > critters. Looks too, like Bill's father finally has a first name-William. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > ============================== > Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

I was so excited about this new kin...I meant to also ask if anyone knows what a "Bransford Stemmery " is....this new kin has told me that my elusive 5th generation grandfather Smither [m. to Anna Marie mary] was killed on the site of the Bransford Stemmery, within view of the Ohio River....and found by his sons, William & James and some neighbours...so this difusses the info he was killed in Virginia...as ..as far as I know the Ohio River borders western kentucky, if I am not mistaken...but sure would like to know what a Stemmery is??? He read on to say from this information that the family did stay there awhile longer, then the mother Anna Marie mary died and believed both to be buried right there as William's body was torn by Indians and critters. Looks too, like Bill's father finally has a first name-William. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Someone out there knows who this lady is....I know she is a gg grand daughter of Daniel Grass, but she also in the linenal line of my gggg grandfather William [Bill] Smithers [Smothers]...I've just run across a great grandson of Daniel Grass that is extraordinary awesome and he lives here on the west coast of Wash state!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Search Results Search Terms: SMOTHERS (3) Database: Iowa Cemetery Records Combined Matches: 3 Grave Stone Records of Davis County, Iowa; copied by Graves Registration W. P. A. Project Page: 121 Name: John Smothers Birth Date: 1832 Death Date: 17 Jan 1902 Cemetery: Newton Town: Fabius Comment: Estill Co. Ky.; Bloomfield Demoerat 30 Jan 1902 Click to view full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Grave Stone Records of Davis County, Iowa; copied by Graves Registration W. P. A. Project Page: 121 Name: Wm. I. Smothers Birth Date: 1863 Death Date: 05 Jun 1922 Cemetery: Washington Town: Fabius Comment: row 12; Cary Edith 1867 to 07 Aug 1929 Relative: wif: Cary Edith Click to view full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Grave Stone Records of Davis County, Iowa; copied by Graves Registration W. P. A. Project Page: 123A Name: J. H. Smothers Birth Date: 1832 Death Date: 17 Jan 1902 Cemetery: Newton Town: Fabius Comment: Juann 1843 to 19 Jan 1901 Relative: wif: Juann

Hello Bernie, I have the 1900 Census of Thomas Smith and Nancy Ann Sinor. I am wondering what is the last child's name? And do you know where they went for that short time in Indian Territory (Oklahoma)? Hope things are going well for you. Just in case: 1900 US Census Baxter County, AR Barren Creek Township June 13 114/114 Thomas Smith head WM April 1866 34 marr15 MO TN AR farmer YYY OFF Nancy wife WF Sept 1864 35 5 - 5 AR TN TN YYY Dollie dau WF May 1886 14 AR MO AR YYY Sherman son WM Sept 1888 12 AR MO AR Louis son WM June 1896 3 Ind Terr MO AR Willie son WM June 1895 2 Ind Terr MO AR Mon____l son WM Feb 1899 1 AR MO AR

Thanks for the correction, thought I was haywire somewhere along the line, Harriett [email protected] wrote: > Hi, all! > Need to correct an error!!! I was looking thru a website and found an error > on one of my line. The SMOTHERS line is a son of Berry P. SMOTHERS, Henry > Claude SMOTHERS, married to Hezekiah "Kydie" Franks POLLARD. I had > mistakenly given the middle name of Franks to her. The CORRECT name of wife > is Hezekiah "Kydie" Waters POLLARD, m. to Henry Claude Smothers. > > If any of you have posted this information to your websites, PLEASE correct > it now!! I'm sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused. If anyone > has questions, please email me. > > Karen > > ============================== > Know the town name but not the county? Look it up at: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/townco.cgi

Noah, I know that my great grandfather was a Hancock due to an affair my gg grandmother had. My gg grandfather raised him as a Smothers. My great grandfather was Frank Smothers who married a Sarah Louisa Estis or Estes. Frank was born in 1857 and died in 1943. Sarah was born in 1859 and died from a fall in 1942. I know Frank's children were very religious and very superstitous. I was born without arms and have always used my feet. For a long time they thought I was cursed and would not allow any of their children to be around me. As time went by they came around and we all became very close. BTW: I am college educated, a counselor, a wife and a mother of two of the most beautiful children (all parts are there). Lindsay is 18 and about to start classes at Ole Miss. Colin is 12 and all boy. Jan Smothers Bryant Oxford, Mississippi

Hi, all! Need to correct an error!!! I was looking thru a website and found an error on one of my line. The SMOTHERS line is a son of Berry P. SMOTHERS, Henry Claude SMOTHERS, married to Hezekiah "Kydie" Franks POLLARD. I had mistakenly given the middle name of Franks to her. The CORRECT name of wife is Hezekiah "Kydie" Waters POLLARD, m. to Henry Claude Smothers. If any of you have posted this information to your websites, PLEASE correct it now!! I'm sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused. If anyone has questions, please email me. Karen

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 6:06 PM Subject: SOMETHING FROM ANOTHER LIST > > The below article is posted in the archives on Genealogy.com > > Impossible and Improbable by Donna Przecha > > Genealogy thrives as a rewarding hobby because most people in the past lived > orderly lives. We expect them to be born, marry, have children and die, and > that there will be someone to record most of these events somewhere. Usually > this is exactly what happens. All we have to do is find out where these > events were recorded. However, occasionally we come across events that just > do not fit into the orderly scheme of things. Sometimes they seem to be > highly improbable or completely impossible. > > Disowned Children > > In past times marrying outside the family's religion, race, culture or social > class was considered by some to be taboo. If children violated this rule, > some families would disown them and even declare them dead. In one case the > parents not only declared the child dead but went so far as to erect a > tombstone with her name and her marriage date as the death date. People who > were mentally ill or physically deformed might be sent off to an asylum or > hospital and the family would act as if they were dead. They might be > recorded in the family Bible as having died, so when you find the individual > in a census you will be thoroughly confused! A daughter might also be > disowned if she became pregnant and was not married or a son cut out of the > family if he ended up in prison. Obituaries were generally provided by the > families, and facts and children who did not suit the image the family wished > to project could be omitted. If a child was not mentioned in the obituary in > the local hometown paper, it didn't mean the child didn't exist or was > deceased. > > Finding disowned children can be very difficult because they often moved a > long way from their original home to a completely different environment. > Someone from Connecticut might move to Idaho or Texas for no apparent reason. > With more national indexes becoming available, it is easier to locate these > people. Since most census indexes are still on a state-by-state basis, you > almost have to check each state as there is no predicting where they might > have gone. > > The names of disowned children might turn up in a will or probate. In a will > the parent might want to mention the child just to be sure he or she is cut > out of the inheritance. If there was no will, all living children would need > to be named in legal documents relating to an inheritance. > In past times marrying outside the family's religion, race, culture or > social class was considered by some to be taboo. If children violated this > rule, some families would disown them and even declare them dead. > > Bigamy > > Even in this day of instant communication with cell phones, pagers and the > Internet, you can still pick up the paper and read about a man who was > married to different women and had two different families, each of which was > unknown to the other. (Why a man would want the responsibilities of two > families and keeping them secret is beyond me!) In the past it was so much > easier to acquire two wives, although it was more often serial rather than > concurrent. If a man from Virginia went to California to look for gold, he > might decide after a couple of fruitless years that he didn't want to go home > and face the ridicule of his family and neighbors. He might decide to just > settle down in California, perhaps open a store or take up farming and marry > a girl he met there. Since he may have stopped writing to his family in > Virginia months ago, he would hardly feel it was necessary to go to all the > trouble and agony of trying to get a divorce. He might even send back an > announcement of his death just to close that chapter of his life. > Even in this day of instant communication, you can still pick up the paper > and read about a man who was married to different women and had two different > families, each of which was unknown to the other. > > When a husband disappears, the wife usually goes through the legal process to > have him declared dead after a certain period of time. You might encounter > the family with the husband in one census and in the next find the wife > listed as a widow. This would lead you to believe he died in the meantime and > you would look for cemetery records, obituaries, wills and death records. If > he simply disappeared, you will not find any of these and may need to explore > court records for a legal document declaring him dead. Of course, he may not > really be dead at all. > > Name Changes > > Many men, especially new immigrants, found it too overwhelming to try to > support a family and just walked off and were never heard from again. They > might even change their names, settle down in a new area and get married > again. This is very difficult to track and document, but one place where this > could come out is in military pension records. If a man was in the Civil War, > his first wife would know he was entitled to a pension and would apply for > one when it became obvious he was never coming back, and could be presumed > dead. If he remarried under another name, he might feel enough loyalty to his > second wife to disclose his military service and the name under which he > enlisted. Once he died and the second wife applied for her pension, both > applications would end up with the same service record. > > If you suspect a possible name change, be sure to consult as many legal or > official documents as possible. > > If you suspect a possible name change, be sure to consult as many legal or > official documents as possible, such as pension papers, wills, naturalization > papers or land deeds. Even if a man changed names he might think he had to > include his "also known as" (AKA) name to be sure the transaction was valid, > fearing the original name might come out at some point and nullify the action. > > A woman could create genealogical confusion by not changing her name. If a > woman had a child out of wedlock, she might move to another town, keep her > maiden name but call herself Mrs., claiming she was a widow. Even if people > knew she had never married, a mother would be called Mrs. as a courtesy > because it would be embarrassing to all concerned to suggest that an > unmarried woman had a child. > > In African-American research, many people assume that a freed slave would > take the family name of the person who had owned him before emancipation. In > fact, the freed slaves could take any name they liked and many experimented > with several names before settling on one. Siblings might choose different > surnames so it is not obvious to a researcher that they are related. A parent > might have lived on a different plantation and select a different name from > the child. Many chose names of famous people or people they admired, so the > surname may or may not be significant for the researcher. > Freed slaves could take any name they liked, so the surname may or may not > be significant for the researcher. > > Duplicate Names > > Sometimes a researcher looking through baptism records will find a couple who > gave the same name to two different children. A look at the burials usually > reveals that the first child with that name died before the second one was > born. In some cases no such death is found. In fact, both children seem to > live, grow up and produce their own records. This can cause the researcher a > bit of confusion and reexamination of the records. For some reason — perhaps > a lack of imagination? — parents will give children almost identical names. > In one family there was a John and a Jonathan, and both lived to adulthood. > Mary and Maria are also possibilities. > > Sometimes, especially in German names, the first name would be the same for > all children of the same sex, but the second name would be different. A > family might consist of Johann Georg, Johann Wilhelm, Johann Josef, Anna > Barbara, Anna Maria and Anna Theresa. Needless to say, the children usually > went by their middle names and the children might be known as Georg, Johann, > Josef, Barbara, Anna and Theresa. In later records, they might reverse the > name since the middle name was the one usually used. This means you almost > have to follow the lives of all the brothers to be sure who was really > Johann. Just to confuse matters, Georg and Josef might use their official > first name, Johann, on a record. > Sometimes, especially in German names, the first name would be the same > for all children of the same sex, but the second name would be different. > > Informal Adoptions > > Very often in the past, adoptions were very informally arranged. A woman > might have a child that she really couldn't care for, because of health or > financial reasons, while her sister might have wanted a child but was unable > to have one. It might be agreed between the two families that the child would > be given to the other to raise. No papers were signed or legal documents > filed. Similarly, a foundling might be taken in by a family and simply raised > as their own. > > Wrong Sex > > We have all encountered a person being classified as a male in one census and > a female in another. This frequently happens with unusual names, or names > that can be either sex, and usually it is just an error on the part of the > census taker. However, there have been cases where children have been raised > as if they were the opposite sex. Boys were dressed like girls when they were > small and a mother who wanted a girl and was unable to have any more children > might well continue that deception until the child revolted. Sex change > operations were not possible 100 years ago but people could live as if they > were the opposite sex. A woman might be especially tempted to masquerade as a > man if she wished to be a soldier or a cowboy or follow some equally > masculine occupation. Very recently a well-known band leader died and it was > found that he, even though he was married, was actually a woman and no one > knew. > We have all encountered a person being classified as a male in one census > and a female in another. This is usually just an error on the part of the > census taker, but alternate explanations are sometimes possible. > > Race Change > > While following a family back through the census you might find a person who > had always been classified as white, listed as mulatto, meaning a mixture of > white and African ancestry. While we know the census taker often made > mistakes, this might mean there is African-American ancestry in that line. > Appearance played a big part in racial designation and when possible, many > people of mixed ancestry would "pass" for white when they could. The children > of Sally Hemings are a good example. (Whether or not you believe Thomas > Jefferson was the father, it is generally accepted that the father of the > Hemings children was white.) > > Sally herself was 1/4 black, as her father and maternal grandfather were both > white. Her children were only 1/8 black. They all drifted off, with or > without permission, and settled elsewhere. Eston at first settled in Ohio and > in 1852 moved to Wisconsin where he changed his name from Hemings to > Jefferson and his race to white. Eston's descendants did not even know of > their black ancestry. Beverly (a son) and Harriet apparently disappeared into > white society. Thomas became a minister in the African Methodist church and > Madison stayed in the black community. > > Many people, especially in the south, have both white and black ancestry. > Given the conditions and disadvantages under which blacks, even free ones, > had to live, it made sense to be classified as white if at all possible. It > made their lives and the lives of their families much easier. > Many people, especially in the south, have both white and black ancestry. > Given the conditions and disadvantages under which blacks, even free ones, > had to live, many people of mixed ancestry would "pass" for white when they > could. > > Facing the Impossible > > I would not encourage anyone to look for any of these extreme situations in > his or her own family research, but if the impossible or the improbable > appears, keep an open mind. If you come across one of these situations, this > line may be truncated. Even if you do manage to work around it, it will take > much research and documentation to gather enough evidence to prove what > really happened. However, if you do manage to piece the whole story together, > it will probably be the highlight of your family history! > > Ruth in NC > > Jack Childers in OKC > The Clan Childers: http://hometown.aol.com/jchild8629/genealgy/index.htm > Index of Surnames: http://mccserv.com/genealogy/genelist.htm >

Hi, Like you I had to switch lines found a cousin form my Hunt/Goss line. But that darned Malcolm McCune Henry is simply being stubborn and not yielding any information at all. He's been very good at keeping secrets so far!!! hee hee. Hope that things are going well for you. Russ - --------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [SMOTHERS] looking for David Smothers > In a message dated 9/27/00 9:31:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << hello, > I live in LA near David and Colleen and we talk some times on the phone. I > will tell him that you are trying to reach him. > russ >> > > Thanks, Russ!!! > How are you doing on your Henry research? I haven't done a thing! I've just > contacted another relative from a relatively new line....been busy with that > at the moment. Keep in touch. > > Karen > > > ============================== > Know the town name but not the county? Look it up at: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/townco.cgi >