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This is the story of the 4 Smithers from Wales that Marilyn Smeathers wrote a bout a yr ago ...and yes, you would think someone would have to been put in guardianship of William and his bro James and sis Mollie, if they were Indeed orphaned as the story goes...however, Deb and I have checked for guardianship and orphans and come up with NOTHING!...the only thing we have to go on is heresay...handed down thru generations...that a man name Fitzpatrick took over Bill's parents home and raised the 3 kids until Bill left to go to his MOTHER's brother, Henry Crisman...then Bill returned when he was about 20-21 and m. Fitzpatricks dau, Nancy Cece,...but we have NO VALIDATION FOR ANY OF THIS....so if someone else comes up with some proof or validation, to us its just another story in the Life and Times of Bill Smothers! >From: "Noah E. Smothers" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SMOTHERS] 4 Smithers Bros. >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:07:30 -0600 > >I have found something that may be the answer to one question. This is the >only time that I have seen all four of the Smithers names together, and it >is about the year of 1760 the suspected age of William Smithers birth. > > >November 28, 1986, a Dorothy N. Lowry, Seguin Texas, It appears that she >was >tracking a Gabriel Smither. >filed a family group sheet that says: > >George Smither(s) will 8th November, 1755, received 19th March 1756, Lan. >Co. Va. >witnesses: Wm. Stoneham. John Muse >wife: Ann (?) exc. with Geo. Payne & Maj. Rich'd Selden >Children: >John Smither >Thomas Smither >Gabriel Smither >William Smither > >notes: 1. page 204- Lan. Co. Va. Inv 1782, rec. 19 Sept 1782. W. B. 20 pa >242 >notes: 1. est 16 Mar. 1786, 20th apr 1786 W. B. 22, pa. 119 >notes: 2. to S. C. ? >notes: 2. to Abbeville Co. S. C. 3 males under 16, 3 f. and 7 slvs (need >nms >of chn) > >Is there anybody that has access to the actual documents so we may see what >this person's notes meant? It seems that she was tracing one of the >Smithers >to South Carolina. I have also found an Obituary for a Col. Gabriel >Smither, >Culpeper Va. , Enquirer, 22 Mar. 1815 page 3. Could this be the family of >William Smithers? If William was only 12 years of age, would not someone >have to be appointed a guardian, unless he lived with an older brother, or >brothers? > > > > > > >============================== >Get Free Access to over 900 million names from Dec 7 until Dec >21!http://www.ancestry.com/home/celebrate/freeaccess.htm?sourcecode=736 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I have found something that may be the answer to one question. This is the only time that I have seen all four of the Smithers names together, and it is about the year of 1760 the suspected age of William Smithers birth. November 28, 1986, a Dorothy N. Lowry, Seguin Texas, It appears that she was tracking a Gabriel Smither. filed a family group sheet that says: George Smither(s) will 8th November, 1755, received 19th March 1756, Lan. Co. Va. witnesses: Wm. Stoneham. John Muse wife: Ann (?) exc. with Geo. Payne & Maj. Rich'd Selden Children: John Smither Thomas Smither Gabriel Smither William Smither notes: 1. page 204- Lan. Co. Va. Inv 1782, rec. 19 Sept 1782. W. B. 20 pa 242 notes: 1. est 16 Mar. 1786, 20th apr 1786 W. B. 22, pa. 119 notes: 2. to S. C. ? notes: 2. to Abbeville Co. S. C. 3 males under 16, 3 f. and 7 slvs (need nms of chn) Is there anybody that has access to the actual documents so we may see what this person's notes meant? It seems that she was tracing one of the Smithers to South Carolina. I have also found an Obituary for a Col. Gabriel Smither, Culpeper Va. , Enquirer, 22 Mar. 1815 page 3. Could this be the family of William Smithers? If William was only 12 years of age, would not someone have to be appointed a guardian, unless he lived with an older brother, or brothers?

Don't EVER apologize for being WHO you are...we never know who was in the 'nigger' pile...don't know how else to describe it, coming from the south thats how they said it, but I AM NOT PREJUDICED one bit, thats just a southern saying...I am NA maternally and very PROUD OF IT...Cherokee...my mother was 1/2 half and I have no PROBLEMS with it whatsoever!!...if someone else does, Rita...remember THAT is their problem, not yours. Our NA ancestors were here LONG before the whites!! and rightly so!! One of my ggg aunts was a Medicine Woman...I believe I am too...if not, then I have no clue where I have the total instinct of nature and plants and healing I have. My mother was a beauty, long black hair and the blackest penetrating eyes one could dwell into and sink. >From what I have gathered your Martha is as you say...I think who you need to talk to is Frances [email protected] Keep the wind at your back and the gossip in the air...nena _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Noah...this is my Cuz here on the coast of Western Wa...I put him ONTO YOU earlier due to that one email you put on here....where it said they were cuz's but I thought it was you saying it and you corrected me, hes just now getting to that email...nena _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Another letter I received today. Noah ----- Original Message ----- From: rita To: Noah E. Smothers Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:27 AM Hi , Noah I wont to thank you for helping me. Have a Merry Christma and a very happy new years. May be we will find out all the lost information . Are you from the same line of Smothers? I will be 75 in June and would love to know about my fathers family..and time is gettin short..I have a picture of James Sinor Marths smothers and there children..Also a picture of George Sinor and Mary Crowover..and my daughter just loves to know about these people..I am Cherokee Indian.My mother is full blooded , and Martha Smothers sure looks Indian.. Hope I dont hurt some one by saying this..a lot of people dont like to be called Indian..I am very proud to be one..My Brother is chief of the four winds tribe in LA. I was just back there in Oct.for a powwow and it was great we had over 2000 indians from all over.. Thank you again....Rita

List I recevied this email tonight, thought I would share it you everyone. Noah ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: Grass: : Hi Noah, wondering what information you had on my greats grandfather, ( : Daniel Grass ) that married Jane Smithers ? I have been trying to find : Daniels folks first name--but with no luck so far--also looking for the : foster father of Daniel, a William R. Haynes/Hynes--have both spellings : in old letters left me by family--any help appreicated--Dick Cooper :

ASA Smeathers is the oldest son of James Smeathers.

Noha With Smothers like u in the family we can all b a little bit closer Happy Holidaze (*_ SKS

Noah...I have seen this before and racked my brain trying to figure out the sr and jr...if maybe its Bills parents or now...still don't know...I know Deb did some extensive searching in Essnex co. and Spotsylvania without much conclusions...thanks....Nena _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Search Results Search Terms: SMITHERS (1) Database: Spotsylvania, Virginia County Records, 1721-1800 Combined Matches: 1 Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS DEED BOOK J 1774-1782 page 396 March 24, 1786. Wm. Smithers, Harry Rains, Jno. Smithers, James Smithers, and Elizabeth Smithers of Spots. Co. to Edwd. Ledwedge of same county. £16 curr. 187 a., formerly property of Jno. Calahan, decd., in St. Geo. Par., Spots. Co., etc., etc. Wm. Schooler, Jno. Stephens, Jno. Bullock. April 5, 1786. View full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Viewing records 1-1 of 1 Return to the Global Search Screen More information about this database - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- About Us | Contact Us | Partner with Us | Terms & Conditions | Privacy Statement Copyright © 1998-2000, MyFamily.com Inc. and its subsidiaries

Search Results Search Terms: SMITHER (8) Database: Spotsylvania, Virginia County Records, 1721-1800 Combined Matches: 8 Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 WILLS WILL BOOK B 1749-1759 page 10 WALLER, WILLIAM, Gentl. Spotsylvania Co., d. Oct. 22, 1756, p. May 6, 1760. Wit. John Wood, W. Wood, James Colquhon, Robert Marsh, John Wynill Sanders, John Beverley Roy, James Hurt, David Woodruff, Robert Goodloe, Thomas Coleman. Ex. wife during her widowhood; brothers, John, Thomas and Benjamin Waller; Joseph Brock; Edmund Herndon, Junr., and sons William and John Waller. Leg. son, William Waller, lands in Spotsylvania Co., bought at different times of John Wynill Sanders, William Smither, William Warren, John Warren, Samuel Warren, Lancelot Warren, John Farish, Jeremiah White; son, John Waller, land in Spotsylvania, given to me by my deceased father's will, John Waller, Gentl., also land adjoining that of my brother Benjamin, and Zachary Lewis, also land which I bought. of Ambrose Foster, and my lots of land adjoining the town of Fredericksburg, now in the possession of my tenant William Lewis. Daughter Ann; daughter Dorothy; daughter Mary; daughter Sarah; my wife (no name given). My copper plate of my family arms and my silver seal, with the said arms engraved thereon, I desire may descend to my right heirs forever. My brother Benjamin Waller to be guardian to my sons William and John, and to settle account of affairs with our brother Edmund Waller. My apprentice and nephew John Waller to be immediately free. The tract of land I bought of John Champe, Gentl. whereon the widow Parish lives, lying in this county, and the land I bought of Nicholas Horn in Caroline Co. to be sold, and my executors to make what use they can of Nicholas Horn's mortgage to me, if his land sold me falls short in raising what money I must pay for him to Col. Turner, Mr. Copeland and Mr. Mitchell. (Page 445) View full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS DEED BOOK C 1734-1742 page 143 March 24, 1736. John Rogers of Drysdale Par., King and Queen Co., to Abraham Rogers of St. Geo. Par., Spts. Co. £10. 228 a.-part of tract granted John Madison, John Rogers, Peter Rogers, Henry Pigg, Edward Pigg and John Yorke, by pat. April 1, 1717, lying part in Spts. and part in Caroline Counties, and "also all that tract or parcel of land given by my brother, Peter Rogers, Decd., in his last will and testament unto his son, John Rogers, Decd. Wm. Conner, William Smither, Junr., Walter x Fitz-garrell, Jr. June 7, 1737. View full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS DEED BOOK D 1742-1751 page 164 August 22, 1743. William Smither of Essex Co., planter, to William Waller of Spts., Gentl. £9 16s. 9d. curr. 61 1/2 a. in Spts. Co. Wm. Smither, Junr., Robt. Smither, Joseph Foster, John Wynill Sanders, John x Warren. Decr. 6, 1743. View full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS DEED BOOK D 1742-1751 page 183 Wm. Smither of Spts. Co., mortgage, to Wm. Waller of same county. £6 5s. 1d. curr. Goods and chattels. Witnesses, Harry Beverley, Thomas MeNiell, Johnathan Gibson. Oct. 2, 1750. View full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS DEED BOOK E 1751-1761 page 201 Oct. 21, 1755. William Smither of Spts. Co. and Ann, his wife, to Wm. Waller of co. afsd., Gent. £35 curr. 69 acres. John Semple, Ed. Herndon, junr.; Jo. Brock, John Waller. Dec. 2, 1755. View full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS DEED BOOK F 1761-1766 page 232 March 2, 1763. Wm. Smither of St. Geo. Par., Spts. Co., to Larkin Chew of same Co. and Par., Gent. £50 curr. Several negroes, devised sd. Smither by his father, Wm. Smither, Decd., of Essex Co., as by his will recd. in Essex Co. Court, etc., "sd. negroes now in possession of his mother, Elizabeth Smither of Essex Co.," etc. Witnesses, Beverley Stanard, Thomas Powe. Nov. 8, 1763. View full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS DEED BOOK F 1761-1766 page 237 [p.237]Jany. 16, 1764. James x Rowsy and Elizabeth, his wife, of Spts. Co., to John Sutton, Senr., of Co. afsd. £12 curr. 160 a. in Spts. Co., part of a pat. granted John Chew, Gent., June 4, 1726, and sold to Henry Martin, junr., and John Colquit, junr., as by Deed, Jany. 31, 1737, and sold to Alexander Spence Head, as by Deeds, Feby. 7, 1744, etc. Witnesses, Thomas Powe, Larkin Chew, Will. Waller, Wm. Smither, John x Smither. Augt. 6, 1764. View full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS DEED BOOK G 1766-1771 page 255 Septr. 13, 1766. William Smither and Ann, his wife, of Spts. Co., to Patrick Cary of same Co. £17 7s. 6d. curr. 34 3/4 a. in Caroline and Spts. Counties, known by lines of lands purchased by Lawrence Anderson of Wm. Smither, father to sd. Wm. Smither, and land purchased by Colo. Wm. Waller, Decd., of sd. Wm. Smither, now the property of Jno. Beverley Roy, etc., remainder of 200 a. devised by Wm. Smither of Essex Co. to sd. Wm. party to these presents, etc., as the records of Essex Co. will show, etc. Witnesses, Lark. Chew, Thomas Powe, John x Smither. April 8, 1767. View full context - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Viewing records 1-8 of 8 Return to the Global Search Screen More information about this database - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- About Us | Contact Us | Partner with Us | Terms & Conditions | Privacy Statement Copyright © 1998-2000, MyFamily.com Inc. and its subsidiaries.

Rita, Martha M.D. Smothers who was born in Carroll, Tenn. to Elisha and Sarah Smothers (married James Sinor,) I may be of help to you, Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: Noah E. Smothers <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:13 PM Subject: [SMOTHERS] Fw: martha smothers > I just received this email, maybe thre is someone to help Rita. > Noah > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rita > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 6:19 AM > Subject: martha smothers > > > do you have information on Martha Smothers of carrol co. tn? she marred James Sinor and died in ark. I am her greatgrand daughter. I was told she was native american. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Bill: thank you soo much for this, very interesting!!!!~~~Nena As it happens, I mentioned this thread to Patrick Hays, the Daviess Co. >coordinator for KyGenWeb. He related the following story to me, which >i>thought it interesting to pass along to the list (below). Another >version of>this story may have beem related to the list on a previous >occasion, but I>think Patrick tells it well. I have no further details. >Bill>William R. Vincent, Ph.D. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

For what it is worth, you can get the same promises and service by posting your GEDCOM at Rootsweb World Connect. See: http://www.rootsweb.com/ and http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi The Smothers database at World Connect already has abt 2,228 names and I have found it to be very helpful. Bill Smothers Delaware Nena Smothers wrote: > Subject: Fw: Gencircles.com > Check out www.gencircles.com I have checked them out and think they are on > the right track, please read their promise below. I will upload my GEDCOM > tonight i'm thinkin'. > Our Promise > a.. GenCircles will never claim to own your data. > When you upload your data to our web site, we do not gain the rights to > re-publish your data on CD or sell it to a third-party. We respect that your > data is YOUR data, not ours, or anyone else's. > b.. GenCircles will never send you junk mail or sell your email > address.By giving your email address to GenCircles, you aren't opening > yourself up for a mailbox full of junk. In fact, we are one of the few web > sites that go above and beyond to protect you from junk mail. On other web > sites, even if that site doesn't spam you directly, your address may be > picked up by a computer that crawls the web looking for email addresses. We > only present email addresses on our web site in a graphical form. This makes > it impossible for these automated computers to steal your address. > c.. GenCircles will always be free. Aren't there enough expenses in > our lives? At GenCircles, we want you to search for your ancestors without > searching for your wallet first. > d.. GenCircles will always respect your privacy.At GenCircles, your > privacy comes first! We will also work to protect the privacy of the living > individuals in your genealogy. Read more about our policies concerning > privacy here. > e.. GenCircles will always give you control.If you don't want your > data at GenCircles anymore, it's only one click to delete it. Don't like a > message you just posted? Delete it with one click. GenCircles will always > offer an easy and convenient way for you to control your data. > f.. GenCircles will work to provide you the best service. Every > single day of the week, we are working to make GenCircles a better place. > With suggestions from users and our determination, GenCircles can become the > future in genealogy. > Hi! I was curious whether you'd be interested in helping me with a > project.I have launched a new web site called GenCircles. GenCircles is a > free,community-based genealogy site that molds around people's uploaded > GEDCOM files and will be an excellent new tool for genealogists. There are > some features that set us apart from other web sites. First, we have a new > technology called SmartMatching. SmartMatching compares the individuals in > your file against all of the individuals in our Global Tree. We run a > detailed search on every individual in your file, and see where your > individuals match up with other individuals in other people's files. > SmartMatching enables you to immediately see where other users have > information that you are missing, and vice versa. Second, your GEDCOM file > becomes a mini-community based on your genealogical data. Other users can > post messages on the individuals in your file, sharing data in their > research and helping to bridge the lines of communication between you > and those that seek your ancestors. When a message is posted on an > individual, it is also cross-posted to the appropriate surname in our Clubs > section. For example, when you post a message on John Smith, it is also > listed in the Smith Club. This is a great way for other researchers to keep > up with all "Smith" activity across all submitted files. You can delete > these messages at any time. What I am looking for is a few more people to > contribute their data to get the web site off to a good start. Obviously, > you will have full control over any data that you contribute, and you can > delete it at any time (either directly through the web site or an email to > me). If you have any > questions, please feel free to ask. If you are interested, visit this > link: http://www.gencircles.com > Thanks, Kevin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ============================== > Get Free Access to all Ancestry.com Databases from Dec 7 until Dec 21!http://www.ancestry.com/home/celebrate/freeaccess.htm?sourcecode=736

As it happens, I mentioned this thread to Patrick Hays, the Daviess Co. coordinator for KyGenWeb. He related the following story to me, which i thought it interesting to pass along to the list (below). Another version of this story may have beem related to the list on a previous occasion, but I think Patrick tells it well. I have no further details. Bill William R. Vincent, Ph.D. <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyedmons">Edmonson Co. KyGenWeb Coordinator </A> <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">West-Central-Ky Listowner</A> <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">SKAGGS Listowner</A> <A HREF="http://users.aol.com/wmrvincent/genealogy/briefpedigree.html">Personal Pedigree</A> In a message dated 12/17/00, [email protected] writes: <<The 1882 History of Daviess County, does not even shed any real light on whether Bill Daviess Smothers was originally William Smither (of Fayette) or William Smither (of Woodford), but seems to imply (although not outright state) that he rather should have been William Smeathers (an orphan originally known as William somewhere on the Holsten River VA Smeathers, whose father was killed by Indians and who swore revenge for his orphanhood), and likely was not a good taxpayer, otherwise he would not have ended up thinking that Vienna (now the metropolis of Calhoun) was too populated and put up a cabin on the Ohio River at the Yellow Banks. You have to be able to find them to collect taxes from them. He was very very briefly in the more populated areas of the state (Lexington), but did not like living among so many people because they scared away the Indians he wanted so badly to kill. His main goals in life at that time period according to my reading of this seemed to be killing Indians and living in solitude or as close to it as he could get. He did not get along with other people that well later in life either. He was convicted of murder and fled to Texas after he decided that he no longer hated Indians as much as he hated the government. His defense attorney was Joseph Hamilton Daveiss, and the prosecuting attorney was his brother John Daveiss! He lead a wholely fascinating life though! P.S. John Daveiss was married to Sally Duncan, daughter of Samuel Duncan; Asa Smeathers (a nephew of Bill) was married to Mary Duncan, daughter of Benjamin Duncan; and Robert Smithers was married to Mary Duncan daughter of John Duncan; Samuel, Benjamin, John and my ancestor Rawley Duncan were all brothers. Mary Ann Smeathers a sister of Asa married Wesley Roberts (another relative of mine), who may have been a brother of Mary Roberts who married George Duncan, yet another brother of the Duncans above. Cool eh? In a message dated 12/17/00, [email protected] writes: <<Noah and Nena: Regarding the 1st census of Kentucky, 1790, could those be county names instead of middle names? Nelson, Fayette, and Woodford are all names of counties in Kentucky. Also, regarding the 1800 census of Ohio County, James was the brother of William (Bill), who went to Texas. James also had a son named John. They first settled in Ohio County near Hartford, but then moved to the Yelvington area. Ohio County was split and part of it formed Daviess County, but I don't know off hand what year they split. James and John (using the spelling of Smeathers) then lived in Daviess County. Hope this helps some. >>

Look on the bright side at least they didn't mention the supposedly mother Anna Chrisman nor do they give any dates. The one thing that is worrisome is the fact they can't find him on any 1790 census which would indicate he moved to Kentucky after 1790 and before 1800 where we do find him and James and several other Smothers living in the Ohio County area. I checked out those other Williams living in those other counties of Kentucky and it appears they are all still living in those counties in following years. Love me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nena Smothers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [SMOTHERS] William Smithers/Smothers > Velda: it bottles my mind that the influence of a cousin has so > infilteratrated even the Ky history books...there is NO, and I repeat NO > SOUND PROOF< DATA< for any of that information...my cousin and I have nearly > exhausted all sources to confirm just what you said. Where Elsie Turk got > that info or Laura Wright got it is totally beyond our comprehension. Its > just been repeated generation to generation as truth, as lots of history > books are...with no sound validity...if only we could confirm such...we wish > we could, we cant and that is the bottom line as it stands presently!..we > can't substantiate Bill's dob, where he was born, much less who his parents > are/were...we just don't know...it all sounds good...the facts about > Yellowbanks and Fort Vienna are basically true and his travels to Tx can be > well documented, but his journeys in Va, Ky and Ind and even his two > marriages can not be validated...much to our chagrim....thank you for this > info thoug...its another source we will need to correct when we do find some > validation. > > > >From: Davie H Meadows <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [SMOTHERS] William Smithers/Smothers > >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:09:20 -0600 > > > >Hello Noah > > > >In the Kentucky History book I had in the 8th grade has this to say about > >William ( Bill) Smothers. > > > >In 1797 the town of Hopkinsville was laid out and about the same year > >William Smithers, popularly > >called "Bill Smothers" made a settlement on the present site of Owensbore. > >Smithers was born on > >the border of Virginia near the Holston River. His father was killed by > >Indians when "Bill " was only > >twelve years old, and his mother died shortly afterwards. Before dawn on > >the day following his mother's burial he went and stood by the graves of > >his > >parents and lifting his hand to heaven he made a vow to devote his life to > >killing Indians. > >He fullfilled his vow at every opportunity. He was with Issac Shelby in > >the > >battle of King's Mountain. Shortly afterwards he married, and with his > >wife > >settled in Kentucky.About 1798 he built cabin and hunters lodge on the > >present site of > >Owensboro. > > > >Hope this helps. > > > >Velda Meadows > > > >ps I have this 8th grade history book. They didn't use it after that year. > >They were given to who wanted them. > >Since i am also related to the Smothers I had to have one. This was in > >1954. Copyright 1935. > >Velda > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Noah E Smothers" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 9:20 PM > >Subject: [SMOTHERS] William Smithers/Smothers > > > > > > > I have been looking through the Reconstructed 1790 census for Kentucky, > > > Kentucky was formed from Virginia in 1792, so the first Kentucky census > >was > > > actually in Virginia. > > > Looking through the Kentucky census index there is no Smothers listed in > > > 1790,(keeping in mind that indexs are not always correct), however > >there > >is > > > Smithers and Smithy: It is very possible that one of these is the > >William > > > (Bill) Smothers. > > > > > > First Census of Kentucky 1790 > > > Thos. Nelson Smithers, 11/22/1792 > > > Thos. Fayette Smithy, 2/26/1790 > > > William Fayette Smithy, 2/26/1790 > > > Robert Fayette Smither, 7/9/1789 > > > Robert Woodford Smither 5/27/1790 > > > Wm. Fayette Smither 7/9/1789 > > > Wm. Woodford Smither, 5/27/1790 > > > > > > Is either Wm. Fayette Smither or Wm. Woodford Smither the Bill Smothers > >who > > > founded Owensboro Ky? It would seem that with the common middle name of > > > Fayette, or Woodford that these Smithers, Smithy's had to be related. I > > > wonder if the middle name is not LaFayette, that might lead to a French > > > connection? I searched the familysearch.com page and did not find > >anything > > > for any of these names. However I did not spend a lot of time looking > >there. > > > > > > If then we look at the 1800 Kentucky census for Ohio County, Kentucky we > > > find: > > > Jacob Smothers > > > James Smothers > > > John Smothers > > > James Smothers > > > John Smothers > > > William Smothers > > > > > > It is possible that the Smothers were brothers in the Ohio county, > >Census, > > > or sons of William (Bill) Smothers, we know that William Smothers is the > >one > > > that went to Texas, did a Jacob, James or John Smothers also end up in > > > Texas? Does Jacob, James or John show up in the 1810 census for Ohio > >County, > > > Kentucky? In viewing the 1810 census I did not find any of the Smothers > > > there, it appears that they all had left Ohio County, Kentucky before > >the > > > 1810 census. The first Smothers I see in the Texas census is William > > > Smothers 1823, Riverbrassos, Texas, and no other until 1840, John and > > > William both in 1840, and William again in 1844 with lots more later. > > > > > > I looked at the Indiana census and the earliest Smothers I find is Hugh > > > Smothers Sr., John Smothers, and Reuben Smothers in the 1830 census, no > > > Jacob, James or William. It is possible that Jacob James, and William > >are > > > there as Smithers. > > > > > > Just trying to find those exclusive connections. > > > Noah Smothers 12/16/2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Get Free Access to over 900 million names from Dec 7 until Dec > >21!http://www.ancestry.com/home/celebrate/freeaccess.htm?sourcecode=736 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Velda: it bottles my mind that the influence of a cousin has so infilteratrated even the Ky history books...there is NO, and I repeat NO SOUND PROOF< DATA< for any of that information...my cousin and I have nearly exhausted all sources to confirm just what you said. Where Elsie Turk got that info or Laura Wright got it is totally beyond our comprehension. Its just been repeated generation to generation as truth, as lots of history books are...with no sound validity...if only we could confirm such...we wish we could, we cant and that is the bottom line as it stands presently!..we can't substantiate Bill's dob, where he was born, much less who his parents are/were...we just don't know...it all sounds good...the facts about Yellowbanks and Fort Vienna are basically true and his travels to Tx can be well documented, but his journeys in Va, Ky and Ind and even his two marriages can not be validated...much to our chagrim....thank you for this info thoug...its another source we will need to correct when we do find some validation. >From: Davie H Meadows <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [SMOTHERS] William Smithers/Smothers >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:09:20 -0600 > >Hello Noah > >In the Kentucky History book I had in the 8th grade has this to say about >William ( Bill) Smothers. > >In 1797 the town of Hopkinsville was laid out and about the same year >William Smithers, popularly >called "Bill Smothers" made a settlement on the present site of Owensbore. >Smithers was born on >the border of Virginia near the Holston River. His father was killed by >Indians when "Bill " was only >twelve years old, and his mother died shortly afterwards. Before dawn on >the day following his mother's burial he went and stood by the graves of >his >parents and lifting his hand to heaven he made a vow to devote his life to >killing Indians. >He fullfilled his vow at every opportunity. He was with Issac Shelby in >the >battle of King's Mountain. Shortly afterwards he married, and with his >wife >settled in Kentucky.About 1798 he built cabin and hunters lodge on the >present site of >Owensboro. > >Hope this helps. > >Velda Meadows > >ps I have this 8th grade history book. They didn't use it after that year. >They were given to who wanted them. >Since i am also related to the Smothers I had to have one. This was in >1954. Copyright 1935. >Velda >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Noah E Smothers" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 9:20 PM >Subject: [SMOTHERS] William Smithers/Smothers > > > > I have been looking through the Reconstructed 1790 census for Kentucky, > > Kentucky was formed from Virginia in 1792, so the first Kentucky census >was > > actually in Virginia. > > Looking through the Kentucky census index there is no Smothers listed in > > 1790,(keeping in mind that indexs are not always correct), however >there >is > > Smithers and Smithy: It is very possible that one of these is the >William > > (Bill) Smothers. > > > > First Census of Kentucky 1790 > > Thos. Nelson Smithers, 11/22/1792 > > Thos. Fayette Smithy, 2/26/1790 > > William Fayette Smithy, 2/26/1790 > > Robert Fayette Smither, 7/9/1789 > > Robert Woodford Smither 5/27/1790 > > Wm. Fayette Smither 7/9/1789 > > Wm. Woodford Smither, 5/27/1790 > > > > Is either Wm. Fayette Smither or Wm. Woodford Smither the Bill Smothers >who > > founded Owensboro Ky? It would seem that with the common middle name of > > Fayette, or Woodford that these Smithers, Smithy's had to be related. I > > wonder if the middle name is not LaFayette, that might lead to a French > > connection? I searched the familysearch.com page and did not find >anything > > for any of these names. However I did not spend a lot of time looking >there. > > > > If then we look at the 1800 Kentucky census for Ohio County, Kentucky we > > find: > > Jacob Smothers > > James Smothers > > John Smothers > > James Smothers > > John Smothers > > William Smothers > > > > It is possible that the Smothers were brothers in the Ohio county, >Census, > > or sons of William (Bill) Smothers, we know that William Smothers is the >one > > that went to Texas, did a Jacob, James or John Smothers also end up in > > Texas? Does Jacob, James or John show up in the 1810 census for Ohio >County, > > Kentucky? In viewing the 1810 census I did not find any of the Smothers > > there, it appears that they all had left Ohio County, Kentucky before >the > > 1810 census. The first Smothers I see in the Texas census is William > > Smothers 1823, Riverbrassos, Texas, and no other until 1840, John and > > William both in 1840, and William again in 1844 with lots more later. > > > > I looked at the Indiana census and the earliest Smothers I find is Hugh > > Smothers Sr., John Smothers, and Reuben Smothers in the 1830 census, no > > Jacob, James or William. It is possible that Jacob James, and William >are > > there as Smithers. > > > > Just trying to find those exclusive connections. > > Noah Smothers 12/16/2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > >============================== >Get Free Access to over 900 million names from Dec 7 until Dec >21!http://www.ancestry.com/home/celebrate/freeaccess.htm?sourcecode=736 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hello Noah In the Kentucky History book I had in the 8th grade has this to say about William ( Bill) Smothers. In 1797 the town of Hopkinsville was laid out and about the same year William Smithers, popularly called "Bill Smothers" made a settlement on the present site of Owensbore. Smithers was born on the border of Virginia near the Holston River. His father was killed by Indians when "Bill " was only twelve years old, and his mother died shortly afterwards. Before dawn on the day following his mother's burial he went and stood by the graves of his parents and lifting his hand to heaven he made a vow to devote his life to killing Indians. He fullfilled his vow at every opportunity. He was with Issac Shelby in the battle of King's Mountain. Shortly afterwards he married, and with his wife settled in Kentucky.About 1798 he built cabin and hunters lodge on the present site of Owensboro. Hope this helps. Velda Meadows ps I have this 8th grade history book. They didn't use it after that year. They were given to who wanted them. Since i am also related to the Smothers I had to have one. This was in 1954. Copyright 1935. Velda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noah E Smothers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 9:20 PM Subject: [SMOTHERS] William Smithers/Smothers > I have been looking through the Reconstructed 1790 census for Kentucky, > Kentucky was formed from Virginia in 1792, so the first Kentucky census was > actually in Virginia. > Looking through the Kentucky census index there is no Smothers listed in > 1790,(keeping in mind that indexs are not always correct), however there is > Smithers and Smithy: It is very possible that one of these is the William > (Bill) Smothers. > > First Census of Kentucky 1790 > Thos. Nelson Smithers, 11/22/1792 > Thos. Fayette Smithy, 2/26/1790 > William Fayette Smithy, 2/26/1790 > Robert Fayette Smither, 7/9/1789 > Robert Woodford Smither 5/27/1790 > Wm. Fayette Smither 7/9/1789 > Wm. Woodford Smither, 5/27/1790 > > Is either Wm. Fayette Smither or Wm. Woodford Smither the Bill Smothers who > founded Owensboro Ky? It would seem that with the common middle name of > Fayette, or Woodford that these Smithers, Smithy's had to be related. I > wonder if the middle name is not LaFayette, that might lead to a French > connection? I searched the familysearch.com page and did not find anything > for any of these names. However I did not spend a lot of time looking there. > > If then we look at the 1800 Kentucky census for Ohio County, Kentucky we > find: > Jacob Smothers > James Smothers > John Smothers > James Smothers > John Smothers > William Smothers > > It is possible that the Smothers were brothers in the Ohio county, Census, > or sons of William (Bill) Smothers, we know that William Smothers is the one > that went to Texas, did a Jacob, James or John Smothers also end up in > Texas? Does Jacob, James or John show up in the 1810 census for Ohio County, > Kentucky? In viewing the 1810 census I did not find any of the Smothers > there, it appears that they all had left Ohio County, Kentucky before the > 1810 census. The first Smothers I see in the Texas census is William > Smothers 1823, Riverbrassos, Texas, and no other until 1840, John and > William both in 1840, and William again in 1844 with lots more later. > > I looked at the Indiana census and the earliest Smothers I find is Hugh > Smothers Sr., John Smothers, and Reuben Smothers in the 1830 census, no > Jacob, James or William. It is possible that Jacob James, and William are > there as Smithers. > > Just trying to find those exclusive connections. > Noah Smothers 12/16/2000 > > > > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

I can't help but say this...Thomas Nelson was a Justice of the Peace in the time period below. At a point and time he came to Bill Smithers and asked Bill about the story of his parents and who they were when Bill lived with his sister Mollie at the Yellowbanks, Ky...so I find it so totally ironic that this man's last name is listed as SMITHERS....just too strange. There is a book written by Dorothy Gentry called Law of the Heart, which is more or less a narration between this Thomas Nelson and Bill Smothers about Bill's life. In all actuality, however, the book is almost totally verbatim taken from Thomas Clay McCreery's story he wrote for the Owensboro Monitor in 1866. McCreery being a grandson of Henry Clay...yes, indeed. In 1979 thru 1981, a magazine called "Back Home in Kentucky" reran this article of McCreery's in a 15 part series and called it, "The Life & Times of Bill Smothers", which I do possess a copy of. Its rewritten only in langauage basically from the McCreery article of 1866...for if you ever read that 1866 article its VERY ENGLISH in its writing..if you know what I mean or ever seen how British english persay writings were done back then. Gentry in writing this book, which she only sells directly from her home for $20 and the trust me, it falls apart after the lst chapter, however, its really almost verbaitum of McCreery's 1866 story and at that there are major discrepancies and if you don't know the research and history of this line, you would be bound to believe it heartly...not to say its not a good book to have just for research and redefinition in this line. But I truly wonder about this Thomas Nelson having this last name of Smithers...I think there is something weird here in erroneous city if you know what I mean... >From: "Noah E. Smothers" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SMOTHERS] First Census of Kentucky 1790 >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:34:38 -0600 > > >Search Results >Database: Full Context of Kentucky Census, Reconstructed, 1790 >Combined Matches: >Previous Page Next Page >"FIRST CENSUS" OF KENTUCKY 1790 >[p.1] HISTORY OF THE FIRST UNITED STATES CENSUS OF KENTUCKY >[p.5] Kentucky Counties in 1790 >page 88 >Smithers, Thos Nelson 11/22/1792 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com