Interesting.....I have a ggg grandfather in another family line (Franklin) who lived to be quite old (abt 100) and he gave a circa 1891 Kansas newspaper interview in which he seems to have just made-up a whole lot of things about himself .......particularily War of 1812, Mexican American War, and other supposed war experiences. Bill Noah Smothers wrote: > In the History of Decatur County, Indiana, on the subject of James Davis, it > reads. James Davis,born in 1798 died in 1866, was married in Kentucky to > Martha Smathers, a daughter of Hugh Smathers, a native of Ireland, who > immigrated to America, took part in the Indian wars and in the War of 1812 > and went to Kentucky, where he married and prospered. In 1830 he came to > Indiana and ten years later emigrated to Iowa, where he spent the remainder > of his life. Hugh Smathers was married twice, his second wife who was a Miss > Hopkins, having been the mother of three children, Hugh, Sabina, and > Benjamin. ..... > > Note. According to all the Census Research and other records, the > information in this history is almost all wrong. Hugh did not immigrate from > Ireland, nor did he move to Iowa and spend the rest of his life. This > information has been checked against the Iowa State Records and there is > nothing to confirm this. Also his will in Franklin County, Indiana pretty > much tells us that this man died in the state and county. Maybe the Hugh > that moved to Iowa was Hugh Smothers Jr., instead... information from > Smethers Society Gazette, published Aug. Sep. 1999 Issue no. 2. > > Will of Hugh Smothers, Sr. > Decatur County Indiana Will Record A > > In the name of God Amen. > I, Hugh Smothers, Sr., a citizen of the United States of the state of > Indiana, and County of Decatur do make and ordain declare this instrument > which is write by Joseph Himer, to be my last will and testament, revoking > all others. > 1" That after my decease my body will be decently interred. > 2" That all my debts of which there are but few and none of magnitude are to > be punctually and specially paid and the legally herein after bequeathed are > to be attended to as soon as circumstances will permit. > 3" That my daughter Martha Smothers is to have one hundred dollars and the > bed and bedding that formerly belonged to her now deceased mother. > 4" It is further my will that my mother Martha Smothers have my daughter > Martha with the bed and bedding to exercise parental care over her so long > as my said mother lives or until my daughter arrives at the age of eighteen > years. > 5" It is further my will that after all the above items are punctually > attended to that my beloved wife Mary have all the residue of my personal > worth and the control and benefit of my real estate so long as she remains > my widow. > 6" I further direct if it shall happen that if my wife Mary Smothers should > marry then in that case the laws of the land are to be executed in settling > up the estate. > 7" And lastly I do hereby constitute and appoint Joseph Hiner to be executor > of this my last will and testament. In witness of each and all the things > herein contained I have hereunto set my hand and seal. > Hugh Smothers (seal) > Attest > George P. Shelton > Isaac C. Davis > Eldridge Hopkins > William Hopkins. > > The State of Indiana Decatur County > Set > Be it remembered that on this day to wit the 7th day of September > 1841,personally appeared before me the signed Clerk of the Probate Court of > the county and State aforesaid, Joseph Hiner who being duly sworn says that > the annexed instrument is the last will and testament of Hugh Smothers, > deceased........sworn to and subscribed before me this day and year above > written. > Henry H. Talbott Clk. > Probate Court Decatur Co., Ind. > Recorded September 7, 1841. > > Andrew Smothers, Hugh's father died in Bath County, Kentucky, and in his > will he list's his wife as being Elizabeth at the time of his death, and his > children as follows: Thomas, Joseph, Ann, Margaret, Martha, Sally, Hugh, > John, Elizabeth and Susannah..... > > The History of Decatur County, Indiana, says that Hugh Smothers, Sr., is an > immigrant of Ireland, however the will of Andrew Smothers of 1824 proves > this to be incorrect. Hugh is named as a child of Andrew Smothers, when his > father died in Bath County, Kentucky. > > Hugh Smothers, Sr., is listed in the 1810 Kentucky census located in Barren > County, KY, at the age of 26-25, by 1819 Hugh Smothers Sr., and his family > are in Floyd County, Kentucky, before 1824, Hugh Smothers, Sr. has moved to > Franklin County, Indiana, which can be proved by the marriage of his > daughter Sobrina Smothers to William P. Snelling in June 10, 1824 in Rush > County, Indiana. Rush county being just northeast of Franklin County. On 8 > July 1829 with a possible double ceremony, Hugh Smothers, Jr., married Nancy > Snelling and Andocial Smothers married Bernard Snelling in Decatur County, > Indiana. William P., and Bernard Snelling are the children of William and > Margaret Snelling, proven by the will of William Snelling June 1822 - March > 1831, in Decatur County, Indiana. > > Hugh Smothers, Sr., in listed in the 1830 Indiana Census on page 310 along > with his sons Hugh Smothers, Jr. on the same page, and Rueben Smothers on > page 312 in Franklin County. In the 1840 census both Hugh Smothers Sr., at > the age of 70-80 and his second wife Mary Hopkins Smothers at the age 40-50. > > The fact remains, Hugh Smothers, Sr., was born in Washington County, > Virginia, which is located in the southwestern part of Virginia, right below > Smyth County and right on the Tennessee and North Carolina borders in > present day. This makes one question if Andrew, Hugh's father came from > Virginia or North Carolina. And who was Andrew's father? Is it Thomas > Smothers or one of the many John Smothers? > > There is 6 pages of information on Hugh Smothers, Sr., that is contained in > the Smethers Society Gazette, this is just a small portion of it. > This was published in August September 1999 Issue #2, by Loretta A. Smethers > Stuber, L.A.S.S. Publications, 14606 South Alden Street, Olathe, Kansas > 66062. > > I have been unable to contact Loretta for a couple of years now, and have no > idea if she has any more copies of this publication, there is 186 pages of > information in this issue much of it contributed by some of the mail list > members. > I hope this helps a little with Hugh Smothers, Sr. > Noah > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In the History of Decatur County, Indiana, on the subject of James Davis, it reads. James Davis,born in 1798 died in 1866, was married in Kentucky to Martha Smathers, a daughter of Hugh Smathers, a native of Ireland, who immigrated to America, took part in the Indian wars and in the War of 1812 and went to Kentucky, where he married and prospered. In 1830 he came to Indiana and ten years later emigrated to Iowa, where he spent the remainder of his life. Hugh Smathers was married twice, his second wife who was a Miss Hopkins, having been the mother of three children, Hugh, Sabina, and Benjamin. ..... Note. According to all the Census Research and other records, the information in this history is almost all wrong. Hugh did not immigrate from Ireland, nor did he move to Iowa and spend the rest of his life. This information has been checked against the Iowa State Records and there is nothing to confirm this. Also his will in Franklin County, Indiana pretty much tells us that this man died in the state and county. Maybe the Hugh that moved to Iowa was Hugh Smothers Jr., instead... information from Smethers Society Gazette, published Aug. Sep. 1999 Issue no. 2. Will of Hugh Smothers, Sr. Decatur County Indiana Will Record A In the name of God Amen. I, Hugh Smothers, Sr., a citizen of the United States of the state of Indiana, and County of Decatur do make and ordain declare this instrument which is write by Joseph Himer, to be my last will and testament, revoking all others. 1" That after my decease my body will be decently interred. 2" That all my debts of which there are but few and none of magnitude are to be punctually and specially paid and the legally herein after bequeathed are to be attended to as soon as circumstances will permit. 3" That my daughter Martha Smothers is to have one hundred dollars and the bed and bedding that formerly belonged to her now deceased mother. 4" It is further my will that my mother Martha Smothers have my daughter Martha with the bed and bedding to exercise parental care over her so long as my said mother lives or until my daughter arrives at the age of eighteen years. 5" It is further my will that after all the above items are punctually attended to that my beloved wife Mary have all the residue of my personal worth and the control and benefit of my real estate so long as she remains my widow. 6" I further direct if it shall happen that if my wife Mary Smothers should marry then in that case the laws of the land are to be executed in settling up the estate. 7" And lastly I do hereby constitute and appoint Joseph Hiner to be executor of this my last will and testament. In witness of each and all the things herein contained I have hereunto set my hand and seal. Hugh Smothers (seal) Attest George P. Shelton Isaac C. Davis Eldridge Hopkins William Hopkins. The State of Indiana Decatur County Set Be it remembered that on this day to wit the 7th day of September 1841,personally appeared before me the signed Clerk of the Probate Court of the county and State aforesaid, Joseph Hiner who being duly sworn says that the annexed instrument is the last will and testament of Hugh Smothers, deceased........sworn to and subscribed before me this day and year above written. Henry H. Talbott Clk. Probate Court Decatur Co., Ind. Recorded September 7, 1841. Andrew Smothers, Hugh's father died in Bath County, Kentucky, and in his will he list's his wife as being Elizabeth at the time of his death, and his children as follows: Thomas, Joseph, Ann, Margaret, Martha, Sally, Hugh, John, Elizabeth and Susannah..... The History of Decatur County, Indiana, says that Hugh Smothers, Sr., is an immigrant of Ireland, however the will of Andrew Smothers of 1824 proves this to be incorrect. Hugh is named as a child of Andrew Smothers, when his father died in Bath County, Kentucky. Hugh Smothers, Sr., is listed in the 1810 Kentucky census located in Barren County, KY, at the age of 26-25, by 1819 Hugh Smothers Sr., and his family are in Floyd County, Kentucky, before 1824, Hugh Smothers, Sr. has moved to Franklin County, Indiana, which can be proved by the marriage of his daughter Sobrina Smothers to William P. Snelling in June 10, 1824 in Rush County, Indiana. Rush county being just northeast of Franklin County. On 8 July 1829 with a possible double ceremony, Hugh Smothers, Jr., married Nancy Snelling and Andocial Smothers married Bernard Snelling in Decatur County, Indiana. William P., and Bernard Snelling are the children of William and Margaret Snelling, proven by the will of William Snelling June 1822 - March 1831, in Decatur County, Indiana. Hugh Smothers, Sr., in listed in the 1830 Indiana Census on page 310 along with his sons Hugh Smothers, Jr. on the same page, and Rueben Smothers on page 312 in Franklin County. In the 1840 census both Hugh Smothers Sr., at the age of 70-80 and his second wife Mary Hopkins Smothers at the age 40-50. The fact remains, Hugh Smothers, Sr., was born in Washington County, Virginia, which is located in the southwestern part of Virginia, right below Smyth County and right on the Tennessee and North Carolina borders in present day. This makes one question if Andrew, Hugh's father came from Virginia or North Carolina. And who was Andrew's father? Is it Thomas Smothers or one of the many John Smothers? There is 6 pages of information on Hugh Smothers, Sr., that is contained in the Smethers Society Gazette, this is just a small portion of it. This was published in August September 1999 Issue #2, by Loretta A. Smethers Stuber, L.A.S.S. Publications, 14606 South Alden Street, Olathe, Kansas 66062. I have been unable to contact Loretta for a couple of years now, and have no idea if she has any more copies of this publication, there is 186 pages of information in this issue much of it contributed by some of the mail list members. I hope this helps a little with Hugh Smothers, Sr. Noah

In a message dated 12/16/02 10:05:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, smothersnena@hotmail.com writes: > Matter of fact, Karen...I have one that was NOT on the list.. > ~~~Clarissa~~~ > Nena......there are no nicknames listed, but here are other possibilities: CLARICE, CLARISSE, CLARRISSEE, CLERISSA, CLARISSIMA That's all that's listed for that name... Karen Theofanides

If anyone else has names, male or female, that you wonder if there is a nickname for, please ask me. I have two wonderful little books that I bought from Helen Swenson. I would be happy to look up something for you all. Happy Holidays!!!!!! Karen Theofanides

Never mind Karen, when I printed it out..I saw it, along side CLARA....duh! >Clara Clarissa, Clarinda _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Matter of fact, Karen...I have one that was NOT on the list.. ~~~Clarissa~~~ and a very berry happy jolly holly to you and yours!!**Nena From: Katheo2@aol.com If anyone else has names, male or female, that you wonder if there is a nickname for, please ask me. I have two wonderful little books that I bought from Helen Swenson. I would be happy to look up something for you all.>Happy Holidays!!!!!!>Karen Theofanides _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

[this is a pretty good list-I was looking for an Ellen for a couple wks in a census, then tried Helen, and wal lou, found her! also trying middle names works too, was looking for a Susan, no luck, tried her middle name of Jane...wal lou, found her! & believe it or not we have a Puss Wright fr Grass/Greathouse & I could NOT even imagine what her name could be..NOW I know!] A Listing Of Some 18th and 19th Century American Nicknames fr Univ of Connecticut Male Nickname Proper Name Abe, Abram Abraham Alec, Alex Alexander Arch, Archie Archibald Augie August Bart Bartholomew Bat Bartholomew Bert Albert, Cuthbert Bige Abijah Bill, Billy William Bob, Bobby Robert Cager Micajah Chan Chauncey Chris Christopher Chuck Charles Con Cornelius Cuddy Cuthbert Cy Cyrus Dick Richard Dirch Derrick Dob, Dobbin Robert Dyer Obediah Eben Ebenezer Ed, Eddie Edward Edmund Eppa Epaphroditus Fanny Nathaniel Fate, Fayette Lafayette Finney Phineas Frank Francis Fred Frederick, Winifred Gene Eugene Gus August Hal Harold, Henry Ham Hamilton Hank Henry Harry Henry, Harold Hiley Hiram Hy Hiram Ike Isaac Jack Jackson, John Jake Jacob Jed Jedediah, Jeduthan Jeremy Jeremiah Jerry Gerald, Jeremiah Jude Judah Judy Judah Kiah Hezekiah Kit Christopher Lazar Eleazer Larry Lawrence Lig, Lige, Lije Elijah Lou, Louie Louis Mal Malachi, Malcolm Nat, Nate Nathaniel Ned Edwin, Edward Newt Newton Obed Obediah Ollie Oliver Paddy Patrick Pat Patrick Pleas Pleasant Quill Aquilla Riah Zachariah Rias Zachariah Rich Richard Rick Richard Rob Robert Rye Zachariah Sandy Alexander Si Josiah, Cyrus Tad Thaddeus Ted, Teddy Theodore Tiah Azariah Theo Theophilus Tony Anthony Virg Virgil Zack Zachariah Zander Alexander Will, Willie, Willy Wiley, William Female Nickname Proper Name Abbie, Abby Abigail, Tabitha Addie, Addy Adelaide, Adeline Allie Alice Annie Ann, Anna Bab, Babbie Barbara Becca Rebecca Becky Rebecca Bede Obedience Bella Arabella, Isabella, Mehetable, Mehitabel Belle Isabel, Isabella, Mehetable, Mehitabel Bess, Bessie Elizabeth Beth Elizabeth Betsey Elizabeth Betty Bethia, Elizabeth Biah Abiah Biddy, Biddie Bridget, Brigid, Obedience Briney Sybrina Caddie Caroline Callie Caroline Carrie Caroline Cassie Cassandra Cindy Lucinda, Luciana, Cynthia Clara Clarissa, Clarinda Cleda Cleophas Clemmie Clementine Con, Connie Constance Crece, Crese Lucretia Crecy Lucretia Debby Deborah DeliaAdelia, Bedelia, Cordelia, Fidelia, Phidelia Delphia Philadelphia Dimmis Damaris Dolly Dorothy Donia Fredonia Dosia Theodosia Dot Dorothy Edie Edith Eliza Elizabeth Ellen Eleanor, Elinamifia Elly Eleanore, Ellen, Helen *** Elsie Alice, Eleanor, Ellen, Ealasaid (Gaelic), Helen Emmy Emily, Emeline Essie Esther, Hester Etta Henrietta Louetta, Marietta Fally Eliphal Fanny Frances Flora Florence Flossie Florence Frankie Frances Fronie Sophronia Gen Genevieve, Virginia Gerty Gertrude Ginny Virginia Gussie Augusta Hatty Harriet Hepsy Hepsibah Hermie Hermione Hetty Henrietta, Mehetable, Mehitabel Hitty Mehetable, Mehitabel Jenny Jane, Janet, Genevieve, Virginia Judy Judith Julie Julia Kate Catharine, Cathleen Katharine, Kathleen Kay Catherine, Cathleen, Katherine, Kathleen Kersty Christina (Scottish origin) Kitty Catherine, Katherine Kizzie Kesiah Leafy Relief Lena Angelina, Caroline, Helen, Madeleine, Magdalen Lecta Electa Letty Letitia Libbie Elizabeth Lisa Melissa Livy Olive, Olivia Liza Adeliza, Elizabeth Liz, Lizzie Elizabeth Lollie Charlotte Lottie Charlotte Lou Louetta, Louisa, Louise Lucy Lucinda, Luciana Lynne Belinda, Melinda Mabel Mehetable, Mehitabel Madge Margaret, Margery Maggie Margaret Maida Madeleine, Magdalena Mallie Malvina Mamie Mary Manda, Mandy Amanda Margie Margaret Mate Mary (NY State, 1840s) Mattie Martha Mellie Amelia, Melanie, Melinda, Melissa, Permelia Meg Margaret Mena Almena Millie Amelia, Emelia, Mellicent, Mildred Mima Jemima Mimi Mary Mina Mindwell, Wilhelmina Minnie Mary, Wilhelmina Missy Melissa MyraElmira Mitty Mehetable, Mehitabel, Submit Mollie Martha, Mary Nabby Abigail Nan Ann, Anna, Ellen Nancy Ann, Anna, Agnes** Nannie Nancy, Anna Nell Helen Nellie Cornelia, Eleanor, Ellen, Helen Nettie Antoinette, Henrietta Neva Genevieve Nonie Joan Nora Eleanor, Honora, Leonora Orolia Caroline Patsy Martha Patty Martha, Parthenia, Patience, Patricia Peggy Margaret Peddie, Peddy Experience Penny Penelope Phil Philadelphia, Philomena Phoenie, Pheney Tryphena Phosy Tryphosia Polly Mary Pru, Prue Prudence Puss Prudence, Philadelphia** Rana Lorraine Reenie Irene, Maureen, Sabrena, Serena Rena Alexanderina Irene, Sabrina Retta Loretta Rilla Gabrilla, Marilla Rita Marguerite Sally Sarah Sene Asenath Silla Priscilla Sissie Cecily, Cecilia** Sophie Sophia, Sophronia Sukey Sarah, Susan, Susannah Tabby Tabitha Tallie Natalie Tempy Temperance Tennie Tennessee Tenty Content Tess Theresa Thea Althea, Theodosia Thenie Parthenia Thirza Theresa Tilly Matilda Tina Christina Torie Victoria Trudy Gertrude Vergie Virginia Viney, Vinnie, Viny Lavina, Lavinia, Louvina, Melvina 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Merry Christmas! Title: Roast Christmas Goose in 1870 Description: Christmas Goose on the Prairie! Ingredients: One fat goose 10lbs of potatoes Lots of cream and butter Lots of salt and pepper and sage One cup of chopped onion Directions: On the day before Christmas, kill a fat goose and dress it. Wash it well in a dishpan of hot soapy water. Rinse in a milk pail of cold water. Dry it thoroly (thoroughly) and hang it up in the woodshed over night. Next morning early, mash a kettle of potatoes with cream and butter and a cup of chipped onion and lots of salt and pepper. Stuff the potatoes into the goose and sew it shut. Rub the skin over with salt and pepper and sage and put it in a not too hot oven. Dip the grease up every hour or so and save for cold-on-the-lungs and shoes. Number Of Servings:Enough for a big family! Preparation Time:All day "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.">Cherokee _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

>Indiana Marriages Through 1850 >SMOTHERS ARCHIBALD GOODMAN MARGARET Daviess 7-22-1824** OURS >[son/o Wm Smeathers & Cecelia-NO] HE was son/o Smeathers and 2nd wife MARY WINTERS of Robertson Co Tenn...my mistake....yikes!! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

From: Lora1957@aol.com Reply-To: INDIANA-L@rootsweb.com 10 Dec 2002 19:31:51 EST This book has no cover, and no index, and no author. I bought it on Ebay; it just has the insides, but it is full of Indiana biographies. I am not researching this family, just thought I would share. I do not know anymore about these families or these surnames. NOTE: I don’t know if there is any additional mention of this family in the book, it has no index. I do not want to sell this book. I am typing the biographies from it.>Typed by Lora Radiches: Surnames in this biography are: Handley, Henry, Jones, Weir, Simpson, Hiatt, LAWRENCE A. HANDLEY, formerly the popular and progressive mayor of the fine old City of Richmond, judicial center of Wayne County, has here maintained his home since his boyhood, has here marked the passing years with worthy achievement, and here his is an inviolable place in communal confidence and esteem, his circle of friends being virtually coincident with that of his acquaintances. Mr. Handley was born in Union County, Indiana, December 1,1868, and is a son of Evan J. and **Margaret J. (HENRY**) Handley, the former of whom was born in Henry County, Indiana, and the latter in Butler County, Ohio. Evan J. Handley was a son of **George and Isabella (Jones)** Handley, who were born in that part of Virginia that is now Greenbrier County, West Virginia, and the paternal grandfather of George Handley came from his native Ireland and settled in Virginia prior to the War of the Revolution, he having been one of the pioneers of what is now Greenbrier County, West Virginia. After his marriage Evan J. Handley settled at College Corner, Union County,Indiana, where he was identified with the operation of grist and saw mills.When the Civil war was precipitated he went forth as a loyal and valiant soldier of the Union, he having been a member of Company K, Second Ohio Heavy Artillery. In later years he perpetuated his association with his former comrades by maintaining affiliation with the Grand Army of the Republic. In the early 80s he removed with his family to Richmond, and in this city he was a stationary engineer during the remainder of his active life, his death having occurred in 1903 and his widow having since resided here in the home of one of her sons, she having been born December 31, 1831. The rudimentary education of Lawrence A. Handley was acquired in the public schools of Union County, and he was thirteen years of age at the time of the family removal to Richmond. Here he continued to attend school until he was fifteen years of age, when he entered upon an apprenticeship to the printers trade, which trade he continued to follow ten years a discipline that has well been termed the equivalent of a liberal education. He was one of those who took the first civil service examination ever held in Richmond, and after successfully passing that examination he was appointed a city letter carrier, a position that he retained fourteen years. He was then appointed superintendent of mails at the Richmond post office, and he retained this executive office seven years. Upon retiring from this service Mr. Handley was elected cashier of the American Trust & Savings Bank of Richmond, and soon after the nation entered the World war he was made examiner in charge of the local service of the Government bureau of labor, a position that he retained until January,1919, when he resigned. He then engaged in the real estate and insurance business, but he sold the same when he was elected mayor of Richmond, in 1921. He gave a characteristically loyal and effective administration during his original term of four years, and the popular estimate placed on his ordering of municipal affairs was shown in his reelection in 1925, his term expiring January 6, 1931. He had previously served one term as a member of the city board of aldermen and one term as a member of the board of education. Mayor Handley is stalwart in the ranks of the Democratic Party,and his personal popularity rolled up for him substantial majorities each time he was elected mayor, though other candidates on the Democratic ticket were defeated. Mr. Handley is a past master of Webb Lodge No. 24, Ancient Free and Accepted Masons, and in addition to being secretary of Whitewater Lodge of the Independent Order of Odd Fellows he is also a trustee and grand warden of the Indiana Grand Lodge of this fraternity. He is a past commander of the Indiana department of the Sons of Civil War Veterans, and is affiliated with the Travelers Protective Association, the Fraternal Order of Eagles and the National Association of Letter Carriers. He is a director of the American Bank in his home city and also of the Whitewater Loan Company.Mr. Handley is the owner of a fine farm of 200 acres, the same being known as Greenbrier Farm and being situated in the northwest part of Wayne County. He and his wife have membership in the Christian Science Church. In September,1889, was solemnized the marriage of Mr. Handley to Miss Margaret Weir, who died in October, 1930. She was born in the City of Indianapolis, this state,and her parents, John and Mary (Simpson) Weir, were born in Glasgow,Scotland. Robert V., eldest of the children of Mr. and Mrs. Handley, resides in the City of Chicago and is assistant manager of the rug department in the great mail-order house of Montgomery Ward & Company. Martha A. was a popular teacher in the Richmond public school, and was married in August, 1930, to Merrill Hiatt, of Washington, D. C. They reside in Baltimore, Maryland, where they are both engaged in teaching school. Miss Marian S. remains at the paternal home. ==== INDIANA Mailing List ==== _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Actually, I know of three other murders from early 20th century Illinois: ================================ 1) Obits & Tidbits, Franklin County, Il. 1905-1909, compiled by Carla Pulliam. O/T 1905-1909; Carla Pulliam; pge 40; article dated Jan 18, 1907: Hosea SMOTHERS, son of Eli SMOTHERS, shot and killed James THREEWITT, son of W. S. THREEWITT after an argument ensued over some stock belonging to THREEWITT breaking into the premises of SMOTHERS. Both men were aged about 21 years and were second cousins. SMOTHERS is in jail awaiting a preliminary hearing. Bill Smothers NOTE-1: Hosea SMOTHERS was later sentenced to 25 years in the penitentiary, but he apparently served only a few years before being released. By 1920-21 Hosea is out of prison and married. Bill Smothers NOTE-2: James THREEWITT was the son of Winfield Scott THREEWITT, son of John and Mary SMOTHERS BAILEY THREEWITT. ================================ 2) Andrew J. Smothers shot and killed by Flannery Williamson, 1913, Marion Co., IL. Flannery was attempting to steal the title to Andrew Smothers farm; he was sent to prison, paroled after 22 years, then murdered another man in MO, and was executed for the 2nd murder (in MO). ================================ 3) From The Benton Newspaper, Franklin Co., IL, (1920): Greenberry Smothers is killed by Sherman Hart. Smothers, age 65, is dead and Hart, age 35, is badly wounded. There was a shootout between the two men in a cornfield over a cow in the corn. Occured 1 mile west of Thompsonvill, IL. on 4 Oct 1920. Greenberry in 1920 censes was 67 years old and Sarah 65 years old. ================================ Bill Smothers >Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:41:34 -0700 >From: "Charles Quindry" <cquindry@accessus.net> >Source: ILFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Gordon Bennett article & obit > >GORDON BENNETT DIES OF GUN WOUNDS>Shot Four Times Early Sunday by Clarence >Smothers and Roy McClintock-1922 Benton, Illinois >*** >Smothers Now in Benton Jail >**** >Officers Fail to Locate McCLintock Who Dissappeared >Immediately Following Shooting > >Gordon Bennett died at 3:48 this morning at the hospital as a result of four >gunshot wounds he received early Sunday morning at the hands of Clarence >Smothers and Roy McClintock. > >He lingered so long and was seemingly improving so much, his relatives and >friends had built up hopes for his recovery. > >Smothers, who shot him in the back, and who is possibly the one most >responsible for his death, was brought up from West Frankfort at noon today >and placed in jail. He is suffering from a wound from a shot from Bennett's >gun and several broken ribs received when his car turned over near No 18 >mine when he was trying to make his escape. > >Roy McClintock who also shot Bennett made good his escape the night of the >affair and has not yet been apprehended. > >Gordon Bennett was born on the Bennett farm in Crawford's Prairie, March 16, >1892 his age, therefore, being thirty years, two months and twenty-four >days. His parents are George W and Frances Bennett both surviving. He is >also survived by four brothers and two sisters, namely, Commadore, Raybern, >Jewell, Ransom, Aileen and Imogene. > >Early in life he engaged in teaching then he became restless and decided to >see the world with as a result that when he returned with first-hand >information _______ (page torn). > >On May 20, 1918 he was wedded to Miss Jewell Secrest of Mt Vernon who passed >away June 2, the following year. >Nine days after his marriage, May 29, 1919, he entrained with a contingent >of soldiers for Atlanta Ga, being placed in charge of the train when it left >Benton. He was attached to Co F, 5th replacement and at Camp Grant, Ill. >Funeral services will probably take place at the Bennett home at the corner >of Washington and Commerical streets Saturday afternoon, Rev John A >McClintock officiating, deceased often expressing the desire that when he >died he wanted Rev McClintock to preach his funeral inasmuch as he was the >one who married him. >Interment will take place at the Masonic and Odd Fellows cemetery. > >TWO WOUNDED IN GUN BATTLE EARLY SUNDAY >The home of "Mother" Lee on South McLeansboro road near the Hart-Williams >mine was the scene of some real gun play about 1 o'clock Sunday morning, >some twenty shots being fired, according to the best information available. >When the smoke of battle had cleared away, Gordon Bennett was found to be in >a very serious condition having been shot four times twice from the back and >twice from the front, all of the bullet holes indicating that Bennett was in >the act of turning as each shot was fired. >Many rumors are current as to the cause of the affairs but it is most >generally believed that several youths from Frankfort Heights and in the >vicinity of Mine No 18 went to the Lee house with the intention of having >trouble. These included Bill Rotramel, Clarence Smothers, Roy McClintock, >Bill Wall, Enrich Burk, Jewel Hungate and another names >Foster. >It is said that McClintock opened the affair by saying something to one of >the girl's which was displeasing to Bennett. McClintock is alleged to have >then drew his gun and Bennett did likewise and ordered McClintock to hand >him the gun. At that moment Smothers, who was at the rear of Bennett, drew >his gun and fired, and as Bennett turned to >face Smothers, McClintock drew his gun and fired at Bennett. One of the men >used a 45 Colts and the other a 22 Smith Wessen. Bennett fired his gun >twice. >The gang then left the house Smothers jumping into his Ford and headed >toward Mine 18 and as he neared that place is said to have run into a ditch, >upset his car and received six broken ribs. Upon being examined by >physicians it was found that he had been shot twice, one bullet grazing his >stomach and the other had entered an arm. The physicians >say it will be some time before he is able to be brought to jail here and he >is now being guarded by Tobe Hungate. >In making his getaway from the Lee house, McClintock jumped into the car of >"Peck" Hill, a local jitney driver, and ordered Hill at the point of a gun >to drive as fast as he could also in the direction of Mine 18. The manner >of escape of the others is unknown. >Bennett was brought to Dr Moore's hospital where Drs Sidney Moore, Edgar >Austin and H A Vise operated upon him. >It is found that Bennett was shot once through the right leg, twice through >the back and once through the side, one of the bullets penetrating the lungs >and his intentines were cut in seven places. >He is in a very serious condition and his relatives and friends have little >hopes of his recovery. >Bennett is a son of Mr and Mrs George W Bennett of this city. He is 30 years >of age and was practically raised on the Bennett farm in the vicinity of >Parrish. >The other members of the gang are also said to have been raised in the >vicinity of Parrish. >**Smothers is eighteen years of age and is a son of Harmon Smothers** who >resides just over the line in Cave township. >Some are inclined to believe that the shooting of Bennett was the aftermath >of trouble in which Bennett and the others had been involved in since the >days when they attended school together. >(Benton newspaper) > > >________________________________________________________ _________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

The father, Harmon Smothers, is known to me. See: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=edmond- smothers&id=I06430 But I have nothing on his children (Clarence).....guess I need to do a little follow-up research. This is the third murder involving Smothers in early 20th century southern Illinois that I am aware of (the other two murders had Smothers as victims). Bill Smothers Delaware >Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:41:34 -0700 >From: "Charles Quindry" <cquindry@accessus.net> >Source: ILFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Gordon Bennett article & obit > >GORDON BENNETT DIES OF GUN WOUNDS>Shot Four Times Early Sunday by Clarence >Smothers and Roy McClintock-1922 Benton, Illinois >*** >Smothers Now in Benton Jail >**** >Officers Fail to Locate McCLintock Who Dissappeared >Immediately Following Shooting > >Gordon Bennett died at 3:48 this morning at the hospital as a result of four >gunshot wounds he received early Sunday morning at the hands of Clarence >Smothers and Roy McClintock. > >He lingered so long and was seemingly improving so much, his relatives and >friends had built up hopes for his recovery. > >Smothers, who shot him in the back, and who is possibly the one most >responsible for his death, was brought up from West Frankfort at noon today >and placed in jail. He is suffering from a wound from a shot from Bennett's >gun and several broken ribs received when his car turned over near No 18 >mine when he was trying to make his escape. > >Roy McClintock who also shot Bennett made good his escape the night of the >affair and has not yet been apprehended. > >Gordon Bennett was born on the Bennett farm in Crawford's Prairie, March 16, >1892 his age, therefore, being thirty years, two months and twenty-four >days. His parents are George W and Frances Bennett both surviving. He is >also survived by four brothers and two sisters, namely, Commadore, Raybern, >Jewell, Ransom, Aileen and Imogene. > >Early in life he engaged in teaching then he became restless and decided to >see the world with as a result that when he returned with first-hand >information _______ (page torn). > >On May 20, 1918 he was wedded to Miss Jewell Secrest of Mt Vernon who passed >away June 2, the following year. >Nine days after his marriage, May 29, 1919, he entrained with a contingent >of soldiers for Atlanta Ga, being placed in charge of the train when it left >Benton. He was attached to Co F, 5th replacement and at Camp Grant, Ill. >Funeral services will probably take place at the Bennett home at the corner >of Washington and Commerical streets Saturday afternoon, Rev John A >McClintock officiating, deceased often expressing the desire that when he >died he wanted Rev McClintock to preach his funeral inasmuch as he was the >one who married him. >Interment will take place at the Masonic and Odd Fellows cemetery. > >TWO WOUNDED IN GUN BATTLE EARLY SUNDAY >The home of "Mother" Lee on South McLeansboro road near the Hart-Williams >mine was the scene of some real gun play about 1 o'clock Sunday morning, >some twenty shots being fired, according to the best information available. >When the smoke of battle had cleared away, Gordon Bennett was found to be in >a very serious condition having been shot four times twice from the back and >twice from the front, all of the bullet holes indicating that Bennett was in >the act of turning as each shot was fired. >Many rumors are current as to the cause of the affairs but it is most >generally believed that several youths from Frankfort Heights and in the >vicinity of Mine No 18 went to the Lee house with the intention of having >trouble. These included Bill Rotramel, Clarence Smothers, Roy McClintock, >Bill Wall, Enrich Burk, Jewel Hungate and another names >Foster. >It is said that McClintock opened the affair by saying something to one of >the girl's which was displeasing to Bennett. McClintock is alleged to have >then drew his gun and Bennett did likewise and ordered McClintock to hand >him the gun. At that moment Smothers, who was at the rear of Bennett, drew >his gun and fired, and as Bennett turned to >face Smothers, McClintock drew his gun and fired at Bennett. One of the men >used a 45 Colts and the other a 22 Smith Wessen. Bennett fired his gun >twice. >The gang then left the house Smothers jumping into his Ford and headed >toward Mine 18 and as he neared that place is said to have run into a ditch, >upset his car and received six broken ribs. Upon being examined by >physicians it was found that he had been shot twice, one bullet grazing his >stomach and the other had entered an arm. The physicians >say it will be some time before he is able to be brought to jail here and he >is now being guarded by Tobe Hungate. >In making his getaway from the Lee house, McClintock jumped into the car of >"Peck" Hill, a local jitney driver, and ordered Hill at the point of a gun >to drive as fast as he could also in the direction of Mine 18. The manner >of escape of the others is unknown. >Bennett was brought to Dr Moore's hospital where Drs Sidney Moore, Edgar >Austin and H A Vise operated upon him. >It is found that Bennett was shot once through the right leg, twice through >the back and once through the side, one of the bullets penetrating the lungs >and his intentines were cut in seven places. >He is in a very serious condition and his relatives and friends have little >hopes of his recovery. >Bennett is a son of Mr and Mrs George W Bennett of this city. He is 30 years >of age and was practically raised on the Bennett farm in the vicinity of >Parrish. >The other members of the gang are also said to have been raised in the >vicinity of Parrish. >**Smothers is eighteen years of age and is a son of Harmon Smothers** who >resides just over the line in Cave township. >Some are inclined to believe that the shooting of Bennett was the aftermath >of trouble in which Bennett and the others had been involved in since the >days when they attended school together. >(Benton newspaper) > > >________________________________________________________ _________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:41:34 -0700 From: "Charles Quindry" <cquindry@accessus.net> Source: ILFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Gordon Bennett article & obit GORDON BENNETT DIES OF GUN WOUNDS>Shot Four Times Early Sunday by Clarence Smothers and Roy McClintock-1922 Benton, Illinois *** Smothers Now in Benton Jail **** Officers Fail to Locate McCLintock Who Dissappeared Immediately Following Shooting Gordon Bennett died at 3:48 this morning at the hospital as a result of four gunshot wounds he received early Sunday morning at the hands of Clarence Smothers and Roy McClintock. He lingered so long and was seemingly improving so much, his relatives and friends had built up hopes for his recovery. Smothers, who shot him in the back, and who is possibly the one most responsible for his death, was brought up from West Frankfort at noon today and placed in jail. He is suffering from a wound from a shot from Bennett's gun and several broken ribs received when his car turned over near No 18 mine when he was trying to make his escape. Roy McClintock who also shot Bennett made good his escape the night of the affair and has not yet been apprehended. Gordon Bennett was born on the Bennett farm in Crawford's Prairie, March 16, 1892 his age, therefore, being thirty years, two months and twenty-four days. His parents are George W and Frances Bennett both surviving. He is also survived by four brothers and two sisters, namely, Commadore, Raybern, Jewell, Ransom, Aileen and Imogene. Early in life he engaged in teaching then he became restless and decided to see the world with as a result that when he returned with first-hand information _______ (page torn). On May 20, 1918 he was wedded to Miss Jewell Secrest of Mt Vernon who passed away June 2, the following year. Nine days after his marriage, May 29, 1919, he entrained with a contingent of soldiers for Atlanta Ga, being placed in charge of the train when it left Benton. He was attached to Co F, 5th replacement and at Camp Grant, Ill. Funeral services will probably take place at the Bennett home at the corner of Washington and Commerical streets Saturday afternoon, Rev John A McClintock officiating, deceased often expressing the desire that when he died he wanted Rev McClintock to preach his funeral inasmuch as he was the one who married him. Interment will take place at the Masonic and Odd Fellows cemetery. TWO WOUNDED IN GUN BATTLE EARLY SUNDAY The home of "Mother" Lee on South McLeansboro road near the Hart-Williams mine was the scene of some real gun play about 1 o'clock Sunday morning, some twenty shots being fired, according to the best information available. When the smoke of battle had cleared away, Gordon Bennett was found to be in a very serious condition having been shot four times twice from the back and twice from the front, all of the bullet holes indicating that Bennett was in the act of turning as each shot was fired. Many rumors are current as to the cause of the affairs but it is most generally believed that several youths from Frankfort Heights and in the vicinity of Mine No 18 went to the Lee house with the intention of having trouble. These included Bill Rotramel, Clarence Smothers, Roy McClintock, Bill Wall, Enrich Burk, Jewel Hungate and another names Foster. It is said that McClintock opened the affair by saying something to one of the girl's which was displeasing to Bennett. McClintock is alleged to have then drew his gun and Bennett did likewise and ordered McClintock to hand him the gun. At that moment Smothers, who was at the rear of Bennett, drew his gun and fired, and as Bennett turned to face Smothers, McClintock drew his gun and fired at Bennett. One of the men used a 45 Colts and the other a 22 Smith Wessen. Bennett fired his gun twice. The gang then left the house Smothers jumping into his Ford and headed toward Mine 18 and as he neared that place is said to have run into a ditch, upset his car and received six broken ribs. Upon being examined by physicians it was found that he had been shot twice, one bullet grazing his stomach and the other had entered an arm. The physicians say it will be some time before he is able to be brought to jail here and he is now being guarded by Tobe Hungate. In making his getaway from the Lee house, McClintock jumped into the car of "Peck" Hill, a local jitney driver, and ordered Hill at the point of a gun to drive as fast as he could also in the direction of Mine 18. The manner of escape of the others is unknown. Bennett was brought to Dr Moore's hospital where Drs Sidney Moore, Edgar Austin and H A Vise operated upon him. It is found that Bennett was shot once through the right leg, twice through the back and once through the side, one of the bullets penetrating the lungs and his intentines were cut in seven places. He is in a very serious condition and his relatives and friends have little hopes of his recovery. Bennett is a son of Mr and Mrs George W Bennett of this city. He is 30 years of age and was practically raised on the Bennett farm in the vicinity of Parrish. The other members of the gang are also said to have been raised in the vicinity of Parrish. **Smothers is eighteen years of age and is a son of Harmon Smothers** who resides just over the line in Cave township. Some are inclined to believe that the shooting of Bennett was the aftermath of trouble in which Bennett and the others had been involved in since the days when they attended school together. 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From: MARTTHAYER@aol.com To: smothersnena@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Jehu Rice and Smothers [wife??] Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:03:17 EST Jehu Rice 2nd wife was Unk Smothers,>She is the sister of Roda Smothers if that helps. Martha Charles M. Rice married Mary "Polley" (widow of) Smothers. I do not know her maiden name nor who was her previous husband. I do not have his first wife's name. Illinois>Franklin County Spouse: Rice, Charles Smothers, Mary Marriage Date: 07 Feb 1850 1850 Rice, Charles Franklin County, Illinois Roll: M432_106 Township: Unknown Townships Page: 28B (#56) September 28, 1850 396/407 Charles Rice 45 m farmer Tennessee Mary Rice 36 f North Carolina Richard Rice (Smothers) 15 m farmer Illinois James F. Rice (Smothers) 13 m Illinois Melissa E. Rice (Smothers) 9 Tennessee W. A. Rice (Smothers) 6 m Tennessee Jno. K. P. Rice (Smothers) 4 m Tennessee Jno. Rice 21 m farmer Illinois Albert Rice 19 m Illinois Mary Rice 14 f Illinois Charles A. Rice 7 m Illinois Margaret Rice 15 f Tennessee same page as Charles Rice 1850 Smothers, Jno. B. Franklin County, Illinois Roll: M432_106 Township: Unknown Townships Page: 28B (#56) September 28, 1850 394/406 Jno. B. Smothers 80 m farmer Pennsylvania James Smothers 12 m Illinois attended school within the year Martin Smothers 8 m Illinois Nancy Smothers 6 f Illinois Jackson Smothers 5 m Illinois Sequential households: 1850 Smothers, John H.C. Franklin County, Illinois Roll: M432_106 Township: Unknown Townships Page: 62B (#124) September 12, 1850 884/909 John H. C. Smothers 30 m farmer 100 Tennessee Elizabeth Smothers 30 f Tennessee Eli Smothers 10 m Tennessee Mary E. Smothers 9 f Tennessee Wm. C. Smothers 7 m Tennessee Jno. 5 Smothers m Illinois Achilles Smothers 3/12 m Illinois next door 1850 Rice, L. B. Franklin County, Illinois Roll: M432_106 Township: Unknown Townships Page: 62B (#124) September 12, 1850 885/910 Mary (Rice) Sulliven 43 f 200 Tennessee Sarah M. Sulliven 15 f Illinois Alex Sulliven 10 m Illinois L. B. Rice 22 m farmer Illinois Marion Sulliven 20 m farmer Illinois next door 1850 Rice, Elizabeth Franklin County, Illinois Roll: M432_106 Township: Unknown Townships Page: 62B (#124) November 12, 1850 886/911 Elizabeth Rice 30 f Illinois cannot read nor write Martha A. Rice 9 f Illinois Martin J. Rice 7 m Illinois William A. Rice 5 m Illinois Mary M. Rice 2 f Illinois next door 1850 Smothers, William Franklin County, Illinois Roll: M432_106 Township: Unknown Townships Page: 62B (#124) November 12, 1850 887/912 William Smothers 26 m farmer Tennessee Nancy Smothers 36 f Tennessee Edmund Smothers 3 m Tennessee next door 1850 Melvin, Allen Franklin County, Illinois Roll: M432_106 Township: Unknown Townships Page: 62B (#124) November 12, 1850 888/913 Allen Melvin 28 m farmer Tennessee Milley Melvin 20 f Illinois cannot read nor write Nancy Melvin 9/12 f Illinois Martin Smothers 10 m Tennessee 1860 RICE, CHARLES M. Franklin County, Illinois Township: Benton Page: 387 (#41) June 20, 1860 278/278 Charles M. Rice 56 m farmer 300 200 Tennessee Mary 47 f North Carolina cannot read nor write Albert 27 m domestic farming Illinois Charles 18 m domestic farming Illinois Jefferson 6 m Illinois Richard W. Smothers 26 m domestic Tennessee Melissa E. 19 f domestic Tennessee Allen 16 m domestic farming Tennessee John K. P. 14 m Tennessee 1870 FRANKLIN COUNTY, Illinois Rice, Charles M Frankfort . . .180/182 180/182 Rice, Charles M 66m 400/250 Farmer Tennessee Polly 57 f NC KH William 16m IL Polly C 15 f IL 1880 Franklin County, Illinois 522/526 Rice, Charles 76 m TN SC VA Farmer Polley w 66 f NC NC NC kh William J s 26m IL works on farm Descendants of Charles M. Rice Generation No. 1 1. Charles M.2 Rice (Jehu M.1was born Abt. 1805 in Tennessee. He married (1) Unknown Abt. 1828. She died Bef. 1849 in Franklin County, Illinois. He married (2) Mary "Polley" (widow of) Smothers February 07, 1850 in Franklin County, Illinois. She was born Abt. 1814 in North Carolina. More About Charles Rice and Unknown:Marriage: Abt. 1828 Marriage Notes for Charles Rice and Mary Smothers:Illinois Franklin Co Spouse: Rice, Charles Smothers, Mary Marriage Date: 07 Feb 1850 More About Charles Rice and Mary Smothers:Marriage: February 07, 1850, Franklin County, Illinois Children of Charles Rice and Unknown are: 2 i. John R.16 Rice, born Abt. 1829 in Illinois; died Bef. 1870 in Illinois. He married Margarett Clementine Bailey September 04, 1850 in Franklin County, Illinois; born Abt. 1837 in Tennessee. Marriage Notes for John Rice and Margarett Bailey:RICE, JOHN R BAILEY, MARGARET CLEMENTINE FRANKLIN 09/04/1850 2/ 19 More About John Rice and Margarett Bailey:Marriage: September 04, 1850, Franklin County, Illinois 3 ii. Albert O. Rice, born Abt. 1831 in Franklin County, Illinois. He married Mary A. Pemberton February 09, 1861 in Franklin County, Illinois;born Abt. 1838 in Illinois. Marriage Notes for Albert Rice and Mary Pemberton:RICE, ALBERT O PEMBERTON, MARY A FRANKLIN 02/09/1861 003/0278 More About Albert Rice and Mary Pemberton:Marriage: February 09, 1861, Franklin County, Illinois 4 iii. ?Margaret Rice, born Abt. 1835 in Tennessee. 5 iv. Mary Rice, born Abt. 1837 in Franklin County, Illinois. She married ?Bradley Selvage April 06, 1856 in Franklin County, Illinois. Marriage Notes for Mary Rice and ?Bradley Selvage:SELVAGE, RADLEY RICE, MARY FRANKLIN 04/06/1856 003/0012 More About ?Bradley Selvage and Mary Rice:Marriage: April 06, 1856, Franklin County, Illinois 6 v. Charles A. Rice, born Abt. 1843 in Franklin County, Illinois. Children of Charles Rice and Mary Smothers are: 7 i. William Jefferson16 Rice, born Abt. 1854 in Franklin County, Illinois. He married Sarah E. Sharp July 08, 1883 in Franklin County, Illinois. Marriage Notes for William Rice and Sarah Sharp:RICE, WILLIAM J SHARP, SARAH E FRANKLIN 07/08/1883 00C/0341 RICE, WILLIAM J SHARP, SARAH E FRANKLIN 07/08/1883 001/0078 More About William Rice and Sarah Sharp:Marriage: July 08, 1883, Franklin County, Illinois 8 ii. Polley C. Rice, born Abt. 1855 in Franklin County, Illinois. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I found it...now I wonder who the SMOTHERS is here?? Am I reading that 1830 census correct..Jehu was married to a Smothers?? I have seen this name Jehu Rice before, now I have to remember where and it was recently too. fr Martha martthayer@aol.com 1800 RICE JEHU Montgomery County KY No Township Listed Early tax list Tennessee before 1805 1820 Rice, Jehu M. Sumner County, Tennessee Township Gallatin: Page:173 (#39) (ancestry.com has page 73)31001/21010 agriculture 1 manufacturing 1 3 m 10, 1 m 10-14, 1 m 26-44 2 f 10, 1 f 10-14, 1 f 26-44 1830 Rice, Jahugh (Jehu) Franklin County, Illinois Roll: M19_22 (#23) Township: Unknown Townships Page: 101 (entry not link on Ancestry.com) 21120001/1010001 2 m 5, 1 m 5-9, 1 m 10-14, 2 m 14-19, 1 m 50-59 1 f 5, 1 f 10-14, 1 f 40-50 Jehu M. Rice died in Franklin County, Illinois, last document by him was 1847> and the estate settlement was file in March of 1850. 1820 Rice, Jehu M. Sumner County, Tennessee Township Gallatin: Page: 173 (#39) (ancestry.com has page 73) 31001/21010 agriculture 1 manufacturing 1 3 m 10 -1811-1820 John J. Rice, ?Martin Jasper Rice (deceased by 1850), Jehu T. (?Tolliver) Rice 1819-1820 1 m 10-14 1810-1806 born c1807 Charles M. Rice or c1808 John Stephen Rice 1 m 26-44 Jehu M. Rice 2 f < 10 1811-1819 Roda M. Rice 1819, 1 unknown female 1 f 10-14, 1810-1806 Mary Rice 1807 1 f 26-44 first wife Jehu Rice 26-44 b. 1776-1780 Joseph Rice b. 1804 Charles M. Rice b. 1807 John Steph Rice b. 1808 John J. Rice b. 1816 1830 Rice, Jahugh Franklin County, Illinois Roll: M19_22 (#23) Township: Unknown Townships Page: 101 (entry not link on Ancestry.com) 21120001/1010001 2 m <5, 1 m 5-9, 1 m 10-14, 2 m 14-19, 1 m 50-59 1 f 5, 1 f 10-14, 1 f 40-50; 1 f <5, b. 1825-1830 Elizabeth "Jane" Rice 1825 1 f 10-14 b. 1820-1816 Roda M. Rice c April 11, 1819 1 f 40-50 Wife: Smothers b. 1880-1890 ******************* 2 m<5 1824-1830 Moses L. B. Rice b. 1828 1 m 5-9 1825-1821 William L. Rice b. 1823 1 m 10-14 1820-1815 Jehu T. Rice b. 1819-1820 2 m 14-19 1816-1811 John J. Rice 1816, ?Martin Jasper Rice (deceased by 1850) 1 m 50-59 Jehu M. Rice Charles M. Rice has children beginning at age 21 in 1850 so he is married before 1830. John Stephen Rice marries in Hamilton County, Illinois 04 Dec 1830. As we know from subsequent census records this family has extra people, they live with other relatives so the number of children on any given day does vary. The boys invariable were working on farms by the time they are 16 and no longer home. Martha Name: Rice, Jehu & Abijah Rice.doc Rice, Jehu & Abijah Rice.doc Type: Microsoft Word Document _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I think in 1850 Karen's & Jan's Elisha was in Tennessee, I had that written on the chart on my wall, that he was in the 1850 census there. This might be another Elisha as this ocurred in Ill, correct? Interesting is I have seen the name SULLIVAN in relation to SMOTHERS before, but it was earlier dates. I have a John Smither Will 1793 in Essex Co Va. In it he gives to his daughter Elizabeth SULLIVAN etc....a 100# of something he gave to her husband in 1780. The other SULLIVAN I have is listed in a will for a William SMETHER also of Essex Co Va in 1782. In this will William SMETHER give to his friend James SULLIVAN to be his Executor of his will. It is wittnessed by a Daniel SULLIVAN and also a Molly SULLIVAN. Noah, this was sent to me by Frankie Smithey a couple yrs ago. I dont know if any of this means anything, just passing it along. I have seen this name Jehu Rice before, now I have to remember where and it was recently too. I remember because my maternal grandmother's parents were RICE so I think I saved it somewhere....:o) Nena From: "Noah Smothers" <nsmother@socket.net> Estate of Jehu/Jahue M. Rice of Franklin County, Illinois Posted by: Martha Thayer (ID *****9987) Oct 28 2002 #25571 Jehu M. Rice Estate>Rec'd Account of Administrators Acct. 23.5.0>Allowance>March 18, 1850 Account for Services rendered by Mattherw Ing. Administrator of the Estate of Jehu M. Rice, deceased. To one day applying for letter of Adminstrations $1.00 To two days hunting up the boys to make a denance? of the property of said Estate $1.00 To three days services in attending suits against Charles and Moses L. B Rice $3.00 Marked through is To one day going to Hamilton County to see John J. Rice For one day attending sale of property offered for sale on Execution vs. M.L. B. Rice $1.00 To three days services settling with (black line) $3.00 To one one day in getting Execution Issued against M. L. B. Rice $1.00 To two days in settling with Charles M. Rice $1.00 To one day advertising settlement $1.00 To one day going to Mary Sullivan to try compromizie with Charles M. Rice $1.00 To A. D. Duffs/Duffy Lawyer fee $5.00 To two days attending probate court $2.00 Printers fee $1.50 Page 2 Feb. 30 "_ 183 f John S. & Sollman Clark vs. Jehue M. Rice A summary on an account $6.00 in the hands of B. Smith 26th day of Feb. 1838 & Judgement for Plaintiff for six dollars & cost of suit Cost $1.56 1 Execution Issue ) John P. Maddox Trans. .25 to D. S. Akin C.L.C. __________$1.95 I do hereby certify that the above is a true copy of a Judgment on the 4th day of Oct. 1850>John H. Barler SL? next document: On or before the fifteenth day of November for value Received I promise to pay A. D. Williamson or bearing the sum of Twenty Dollars with interest at six per cent per annum from date. Given under my hand and seal this 9 day of March A. D. 1844 s/ Jehue M. Rice (seal) Page 3 I. J. Clark Administrator>S. Clark afc? vs. Jahu Rice Estate Filed October 7, 1850>W. R. Browing, Clk. Page 4 The Estate of Jahu M. Rice deceased Dr. to M. L. B. Rice for Doct Bill $17.00 Jehu Rice's Estate Dr. to John J. Rice To Coffin $6.50 To ballance on improvements $40.00 $46.50 Jahum M. Rice's Estate Dr. to Levi Hatchett Stocking cradle $1.00 Page 5 Rice's Estate Recds afe 17>Filed March 17, 1850>W. R. Browning, Clerk Rice's Estate Filed AllowNov. 4, 1850 W. R. Browing Clk. J. J. Rice acct 46.50>Filed 317 or 3 17 0>March 1851 W. R. Browning Jehu M. Rice's estate Dr. to Wm. Hatchett & Dues Skin Jehu M. Rice debt to Alexander Sumine (Summers) to coopering in the year 1842 3 pnd. 6 1/4>s/ Alexander Summer Estate of Jehu M. Rice Dr. to Joshua Britton for bacon $5.00 Page 6 Received of John J. Rice six dollars and fifty for a coffen for his father Jahu M. Rice this 30 s/ H. Johnson>Jehu M. Rice>Sale 1850 To the Judge County Court>Matthew Ing. Administrator of the estate Jehu M. Rice deceased reports notes and Jas. R. & .... ... goods and notes on 36.29 Jehu Rice Goods 26.50 one note on C. M. Rice goods 18.00 cash 1.80 ------------------------ $72.35 s/ Matthew Ing, Admst. (The number are difficult to read, this is what they appear to be. Martha) Page 7 February 15, 1847>Jehu M. Rice Dr.>Matthew Ing To ten bushell of corn $3.00 To on cons. .75 Page 8 Mathew Ing Adm. of Jehu M. Rice, deceased Vs. Charles Rice Summons Issued on the 30 day of Aprial 1850 Returned on 8th day of May 1850 subpoenas issued at the same time for James R. HALL and Maren (Marion) Sulliven & Elisha Smothers & John Sulliven(Sullivan) Parties appeared and proceeded to trail and after hearing the evidence it is considered that the defendant have Judgment for his costs whereupon Judgment is entered against the Plff. for the sum of $5.00 dollars and 63 3/" cents cost. s/ Washington Winn (Seal) The items of cost in the above suit is as follows: my cost as I petitioners & Docketing & subpoenas & Judgment .93 3/" .25 Constable Berry cost occured in the above suit is $2, h5 Witness Elisha Smothers 50 cts., Henry Melvin 50 cts. Maren Sulliven 50 cts. John R. Rice 50 cts. the a mount $2.00 A trans. scrip of Judgment .25 5.63 3/" State of Illinois>Franklin County } I, Washington Winnn Ck. do certify that the above is the correct bill of costs in the proceedings of the above entitlted cause as had before me & that the above is a susbstantial statement of transcript of the Judgment is the above suit Given under my hand & seal this the 29th day of May 1850 Washington Winnn (JP) Copy of the estate obtained from the Franklin County Courthouse through the efforts of Marilyn Ferrar transcribed by Martha Thayer I am interested in contact with anyone researching this family line. Martha http://genforum.genealogy.com/il/messages/25153.html _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Maybe someone can help here. Anyone familiar with these SMATHERS? We recently found a Daniel Smathers marr a Julia A Grass/Gross Mar 20 1870 Yell Co Arkansas. Very odd we thought so were pursuing the possibility the Julia could be a dau or gran dau of my cuz Coop's ancestor, Daniel Grass. This story goes Daniel's father was killed by Indians around Bardstown, Ky 1780's, the mother and 2 sisters taken by Indians. Abt 5yrs later, the mother and 1 dau name Julia were taken to Ft Detroit and exchanged by the Indians for whiskey, blankets etc by the Americans. Info also was told this Julia Grass married a GRANT. We cant prove this story, its known by family members and just written in alot of data around Spencer Co In. Thanks for any help, Nena Fr:Ron Huddleston <reathud2002@yahoo.com> Hello; I need to apologize before I attempt to answer your message. I lost it after I read it. I will attempt to answer as best I can. I have just recently bought my first computer and I am new at this, so some of the information may not be relevent. My great great grandfather was Daniel Smathers. He was born in Missouri. He was married to J.A. Gross born in Mississippi, they had three children: John Smathers, born in Arkansas, Samuel Smathers, born in Arkansas Salley Smathers born in Arkansas. There was one stepson, Joe Gross, age ten,born in Arkansas. My great grandfather was Samuel Grant Smathers. He married Lena Custer a native american Choctaw indian in 1896, from Missouri. Lena was born about 1875 She died between 1904 and 1910 in Arkansas. They had four children: Elmer Jack, Cecil, Clyde Modean, Modean married my grandfather Jackson Huddleston They had three children. Jack. Earnest and his twin Samuel Elton My father Samuel married my mother Ova Elezabeth Clayton in 1946. I know this Information is somewhat limited, I hope it can be of some help, Ron Huddleston. From: coopville@webtv.net (dick cooper) Now I am just supposing here--but here we have Samuel--a Joe-and a Sally--also a Samuel GRANT Smathers---our Julie Grass b before 1775 [sister to Judge Daniel Grass of Spencer Co In who m Jane Smeathers, dau/o Wm Smeathers]married [supposedly] a Grant ?? Coop _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Chat | Daily Search | My GenForum | Community Standards | Terms of Service Jump to Forum Home: Regional: U.S. States: Illinois Genealogy Forum Estate of Jehu/Jahue M. Rice of Franklin County, Illinois Posted by: Martha Thayer (ID *****9987) Date: October 28, 2002 at 16:51:18 of 25571 Jehu M. Rice Estate Rec'd Account of Administrators Acct. 23.5.0 Allowance March 18, 1850 Account for Services rendered by Mattherw Ing. Administrator of the Estate of Jehu M. Rice, deceased. To one day applying for letter of Adminstrations $1.00 To two days hunting up the boys to make a denance? of the property of said Estate $1.00 To three days services in attending suits against Charles and Moses L. B Rice $3.00 Marked through is To one day going to Hamilton County to see John J. Rice For one day attending sale of property offered for sale on Execution vs. M. L. B. Rice $1.00 To three days services settling with (black line) $3.00 To one one day in getting Execution Issued against M. L. B. Rice $1.00 To two days in settling with Charles M. Rice $1.00 To one day advertising settlement $1.00 To one day going to Mary Sullivan to try compromizie with Charles M. Rice $1.00 To A. D. Duffs/Duffy Lawyer fee $5.00 To two days attending probate court $2.00 Printers fee $1.50 Page 2 Feb. 30 "_ 183 f John S. & Sollman Clark vs. Jehue M. Rice A summary on an account $6.00 in the hands of B. Smith 26th day of Feb. 1838 & Judgement for Plaintiff for six dollars & cost of suit Cost $1.56 1 Execution Issue ) John P. Maddox Trans. .25 to D. S. Akin C.L.C. __________ $1.95 I do hereby certify that the above is a true copy of a Judgment on the 4th day of Oct. 1850 John H. Barler SL? next document: On or before the fifteenth day of November for value Received I promise to pay A. D. Williamson or bearing the sum of Twenty Dollars with interest at six per cent per annum from date. Given under my hand and seal this 9 day of March A. D. 1844 s/ Jehue M. Rice (seal) Page 3 I. J. Clark Administrator S. Clark afc? vs. Jahu Rice Estate Filed October 7, 1850 W. R. Browing, Clk. Page 4 The Estate of Jahu M. Rice deceased Dr. to M. L. B. Rice for Doct Bill $17.00 Jehu Rice's Estate Dr. to John J. Rice To Coffin $6.50 To ballance on improvements $40.00 $46.50 Jahum M. Rice's Estate Dr. to Levi Hatchett Stocking cradle $1.00 Page 5 Rice's Estate Recds afe 17 Filed March 17, 1850 W. R. Browning, Clerk Rice's Estate Filed Allow Nov. 4, 1850 W. R. Browing Clk. J. J. Rice acct 46.50 Filed 317 or 3 17 0 March 1851 W. R. Browning Jehu M. Rice's estate Dr. to Wm. Hatchett & Dues Skin Jehu M. Rice debt to Alexander Sumine (Summers) to coopering in the year 1842 3 pnd. 6 1/4 s/ Alexander Summer Estate of Jehu M. Rice Dr. to Joshua Britton for bacon $5.00 Page 6 Received of John J. Rice six dollars and fifty for a coffen for his father Jahu M. Rice this 30 s/ H. Johnson Jehu M. Rice Sale 1850 To the Judge County Court Matthew Ing. Administrator of the estate Jehu M. Rice deceased reports notes and Jas. R. & .... ... goods and notes on 36.29 Jehu Rice Goods 26.50 one note on C. M. Rice goods 18.00 cash 1.80 ------------------------------------------- $72.35 s/ Matthew Ing, Admst. (The number are difficult to read, this is what they appear to be. Martha) Page 7 February 15, 1847 Jehu M. Rice Dr. Matthew Ing To ten bushell of corn $3.00 To on cons. .75 Page 8 Mathew Ing Adm. of Jehu M. Rice, deceased Vs. Charles Rice Summons Issued on the 30 day of Aprial 1850 Returned on 8th day of May 1850 subpoenas issued at the same time for James R. HALL and Maren (Marion) Sulliven & Elisha Smothers & John Sulliven (Sullivan) Parties appeared and proceeded to trail and after hearing the evidence it is considered that the defendant have Judgment for his costs whereupon Judgment is entered against the Plff. for the sum of $5.00 dollars and 63 3/" cents cost. s/ Washington Winn (Seal) The items of cost in the above suit is as follows: my cost as I petitioners & Docketing & subpoenas & Judgment .93 3/" .25 Constable Berry cost occured in the above suit is $2, h5 Witness Elisha Smothers 50 cts., Henry Melvin 50 cts. Maren Sulliven 50 cts. John R. Rice 50 cts. the a mount $2.00 A trans. scrip of Judgment .25 5.63 3/" State of Illinois Franklin County } I, Washington Winnn Ck. do certify that the above is the correct bill of costs in the proceedings of the above entitlted cause as had before me & that the above is a susbstantial statement of transcript of the Judgment is the above suit Given under my hand & seal this the 29th day of May 1850 Washington Winnn (JP) Copy of the estate obtained from the Franklin County Courthouse through the efforts of Marilyn Ferrar transcribed by Martha Thayer I am interested in contact with anyone researching this family line. Martha Notify Administrator about this message? 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