This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VJIBAEB/28500.1 Message Board Post: Bactracking a bit for you, I can tell you Loring J. Smith was born about 1821 in PA. In addition to the children you mention there is a son, Marcus A., born about 1848 in PA. This child does not appear to be Abby's, but the mother was not in Loring's household in 1850. What appear to be his mother and two siblings are listed with Loring in 1850. There are two other sons, Charles and Eddie who are the children of Abby and Loring. 1850 Bridgewater, Susquehanna, PA Smith Family Loring J. 28 PA Farmer Marcus A. 2 PA Sarah 46 NY Lyman C. 23 PA Mary C. 19 PA 1860 Le Roy, Boone, IL Smith Family Loren(sic) J. 38 PA Farmer Abbey 29 PA Marcus 12 PA Mary J. 5 IL Charles 3 IL 1870 Sharon, Walworth, WI Smith Family Loren 49 PA Wagon Maker Abba 39 PA Mark 22 PA Farmer Mary 14 IL Charles 12 WI Eddie 6 IL Dollie 4 IL Not much I know, but hope it helps. Debby