as you were already told Kronland Krain, nowadays is the western part of Slovenia, bordering Italy... at those times it was one of the states in the austro-hungarian empire... > wohnhaft zu- Chsb ...living at the village of ... > im Bezirke - Y ...Bezirk is an administrative part/quarter of the state/region> > K.K.BEZIRKSHAUPTMANNSCHAFT > TSCHERNEMBL ...K.K. means "kaiser und koenigliche" which refers to the austrian empire/hungarian kingdom.... and "Bezirkshauptmannschaft" is the administrative "headquarter" (all public stuff was to be dealt there) of this part of the state, which was (and in Austria still is) headed by the "Bezirkshauptmann" - all these "Bezirkshauptmaenner" were deputies in the regional/state-government which is headed by the so called "Landeshauptmann" (=governor) ciao, georg --- [email protected] wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > SLOVENIA-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 22 > > Today's Topics: > #1 passport puzzle > [[email protected]] > #2 RE: passport puzzle ["Phyllis > A. 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No subject line is necessary, > but if your software requires one, just use > unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the list administrator, send mail to > [email protected] > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:34:53 EST > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: passport puzzle > > Hello Friends, > I received a copy of a passport in the mail > the other day of my > grandfather's > brother.To my dismay the handwriting is > terrible.I have a friend who > is German > who could make out some of the printed > words,she said it was old > German. > My grandfather and his brothers were from > Austria and came over to the > states in the late 1800's. > Here are some of my questions that I see on > the passport. > > Kronland-Krain > wohnhaft zu- Chsb is all I can make out > im Bezirke - Y something > > There is also what appears to be a seal that > says : > K.K.BEZIRKSHAUPTMANNSCHAFT > TSCHERNEMBL > > MY cousin says his grandfather had been known > as a > (phonetically-CRYNITZ ?? > I would appreciate any help you can give me. > Katherine > > > > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:30:10 -0700 > From: "Phyllis A. Heller" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: passport puzzle > > Hi Katherine, > > I can help you a little bit here. > > >> Kronland-Krain--is Crownland Carniola > > wohnhaft zu- Chsb is all I can make out--means > a resident of-- > > im Bezirke - Y something (probably the name > of the Villiage) > > I am enclosing some websites that may help you in > this area. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~autwgw/agskran.htm > > http://feefhs.org/slovenia/towns/townsi.html > > http://www.ngw.nl/int/oos/ooshong/krain.htm > > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08696a.htm > > http://www.gottschee.org/~ghga/who.htm > > Hope this helps some. > Phyllis > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 4:35 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: passport puzzle > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > I received a copy of a passport in the mail > the other day of my > > grandfather's > > brother.To my dismay the handwriting is > terrible.I have a friend who > > is German > > who could make out some of the printed > words,she said it was old > > German. > > My grandfather and his brothers were from > Austria and came over to the > > states in the late 1800's. > > Here are some of my questions that I see on > the passport. > > > > Kronland-Krain > > wohnhaft zu- Chsb is all I can make out > > im Bezirke - Y something > > > > There is also what appears to be a seal > that says : > > K.K.BEZIRKSHAUPTMANNSCHAFT > > TSCHERNEMBL > > > > MY cousin says his grandfather had been > known as a > > (phonetically-CRYNITZ ?? > > I would appreciate any help you can give > me. > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:52:53 -0700 > From: " Cherie Gardner Harmon" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: passport puzzle > > Reading the old German is not as tough as you think. > I took a class in it > at BYU 27 years ago and still have all my old papers > that tells what each > letter means. I will try and scan it later on this > afternoon or tomorrow. > One thing--the handwritten "e" looks just like our > letter "n"--I have both > the handwritten and printed letters in German--of > course once you get the > letters transposed from the old german to the modern > german--you will still > need it translated from german into english. > > Cherie Gardner Harmon > [email protected] > > > ---------- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: passport puzzle > > Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 4:34 PM > > > > Hello Friends, > > I received a copy of a passport in the mail > the other day of my > > grandfather's > > brother.To my dismay the handwriting is > terrible.I have a friend > who > > is German > > who could make out some of the printed > words,she said it was old > > German. > > My grandfather and his brothers were from > Austria and came over to > the > > states in the late 1800's. > > Here are some of my questions that I see on > the passport. > > > > Kronland-Krain > > wohnhaft zu- Chsb is all I can make out > > im Bezirke - Y something > > > > There is also what appears to be a seal > that says : > > K.K.BEZIRKSHAUPTMANNSCHAFT > > TSCHERNEMBL > > > > MY cousin says his grandfather had been > known as a > > (phonetically-CRYNITZ ?? > > I would appreciate any help you can give > me. > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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