I have been researching my grandparents and ggrandparents. They all came from either Cacov or Kunov , Nitra Hungary which is now of course Slovakia. I would like to know how I can distinguish the different regions. I know these villages are in the Zahorie region but is Nitra the county and Cacov the town or village? Also were the people Magyar, Rustyn, how can I tell. I need to know the origin of the surnames I guess before I can go any further . I'm researching the names Zich, Robish , Kicka and Bartone and have so far found very little on the first two and nothing on the last two. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank you Diane, New Jersey

Here http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g142.shtml is the district breakout and villages of Nitra county. Here http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/nyitra.jpg is a beautiful 1910 map of Nitra county. All names are in Hungarian. Use http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm to locate the village KUNOV is the present day (SLOVAK) village name. CACOV is a mile west of SENICA. they both show on a modern day map server, use: http://www.mapquest.com KUNOV is located one mile EAST OF the present-day village of SENICA. Within a radius of KUNOV, the following exists: BRESTOVE 4841 1724 N Slovakia 0.0 miles N KUNOV 4841 1724 N Slovakia 0.0 miles N HLBOKE 4840 1725 N Slovakia 1.4 miles SSE ZAHORIE 4840 1725 N Slovakia 1.4 miles SSE SENICA 4841 1722 N Slovakia 1.5 miles W SOTINA 4841 1722 N Slovakia 1.5 miles W SOBOTISTE 4843 1724 N Slovakia 2.3 miles N ROVENSKO 4843 1723 N Slovakia 2.4 miles NNW DVOR HORNE SUROVINY 4839 1723 V Slovakia 2.4 miles SSW HORNE SUROVINY 4839 1723 N Slovakia 2.4 miles SSW PRIETRZ 4840 1727 N Slovakia 2.6 miles ESE CACOV 4841 1720 N Slovakia 3.0 miles W I chan check ethnicity in my gazateer this weekend from a 1910 census. Most likley they are Slovak or Magyar. Villages are too far Southwest to be Rusyn. Then again, never say never in this biz. Its not really necessary to know the ethnicity. Place of birth is the only critical item important. Have you tried the online telephone book for similar sounding surnames? Use http://www.centroconsult.sk/Support/phone.html Do a partial name search. Names evolve. Names happen. You will find find: Anton Zicho Karola Adlera , Bratislava Ing. Ivan Zich Mudrochova , Bratislava Jarmila Zichová Lisovňa , Bratislava Jozef Zicháček Gercenova , Bratislava Jozef Zicho Jozefa Hagaru , Bratislava Katarína Zichová Dudvážska , Bratislava Margita Zichová M.Bela , Bratislava Mária Zichová Bulíkova , Bratislava Oľga Zichová Lachova , Bratislava Stanislav Zicho Bulíkova , Bratislava Jozef Kička Hrobákova , Bratislava Ľubomír Kička Vavilovova , Bratislava Ryszard Kicka Znievska , Bratislava Alžbeta Bartoňová Lotyšská , Bratislava Anna Bartonková Šancová , Bratislava Eva Bartoňová Konventná , Bratislava František Bartoníka Mesačná , Bratislava Ing. František Bartoň Nábr.arm.gen.L.Svobodu , Bratislava Ing. Ivan Bartoň Blagoevova , Bratislava Ing. Jaroslav Bartoň Solivarská , Bratislava Ing. Otto Bartoň Kuklovská , Bratislava Ing. Pavel Bartoň Ušiakova , Bratislava Ing. Svetlana Bartoňová Zidiny , Bratislava Ján Bartoň Tokajícka , Bratislava Jaroslava Bartoníková Kovácsova , Bratislava Jolana Bartoňová Hlaváčikova , Bratislava Jozef Bartoň Lachova , Bratislava Jozef Bartoník Rezedová , Bratislava Mária Bartoňová Zalužická , Bratislava Marta Bartoňová Medzilaborecká , Bratislava Milan Bartoň Pri kríži , Bratislava Miroslav Bartoník Podzáhradná , Bratislava MUDr. Eva Bartoňová Čelakovského , Bratislava MUDr. Katarína Bartonková Laurinská , Bratislava Peter Bartoň Tichá , Zohor Petr Bartoníček Majerníkova , Bratislava Viliam Bartoň Pri kríži , Bratislava Vladimír Bartoň 29.augusta , Bratislava ("ova" is always tacked onto female surnames) Have you checked http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ A very quick look turns up 9. Beta Zich Senica, Hungary 1907 17 Don't count out nearby towns. Search for surnames that sound alike or could have letters misrepresented - k=b for example. Finally, there are 1869 census records available to you at the family history center http://www.familysearch.org Go to , Place search, Slovakia, 1869 census, Nitra county. You will find On film number 2190348 Item 2 Kunov (Kunov) ,OKRES (district) SKALICA -- NYITRA ZANSKA (county) So who says you can't find anything (; Happy hunting! Good luck, Bill Tarkulich -----Original Message----- From: Halsey470@aol.com [mailto:Halsey470@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:26 PM To: SLOVAKIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Region question I have been researching my grandparents and ggrandparents. They all came from either Cacov or Kunov , Nitra Hungary which is now of course Slovakia. I would like to know how I can distinguish the different regions. I know these villages are in the Zahorie region but is Nitra the county and Cacov the town or village? Also were the people Magyar, Rustyn, how can I tell. I need to know the origin of the surnames I guess before I can go any further . I'm researching the names Zich, Robish , Kicka and Bartone and have so far found very little on the first two and nothing on the last two. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank you Diane, New Jersey ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Cacov is really Cacov. Please do not overlook the diacritical marks. Cacov is located in Zupa Nitrianska; okres Senica, kraj Bratislava until 1960 then in okres Senica, kraj Zapadoslovensky. Kunov is located in the same Zupa Nitrianska; okres Senica, kraj Bratislava until 1960 then in okres Senica, kraj Zapadoslovensky. I don't understand what you want to "distinguish the different regions." Kunov has always had a population that fluctuated between 432 and 600 during the years 1869 and 1970. Cacov had a population fluctuating between 986 and 1,265 during the same period. I would consider both locations as small towns. Frank R. Plichta "Searching the World for PLICHTAs" "Ja hl'adanie na celom svete za PLICHTA." "Das die Welt fuer PLICHTA suchen." "Je cherche le monde pour la famille PLICHTA." "Buscando el mundo por los PLICHTA." "Quaerere summa reum familia PLICHTA." I would appreciate receiving ANY information, about ANY Plichta, from ANY place, at ANY time in history. -----Original Message----- From: Halsey470@aol.com [mailto:Halsey470@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:26 To: SLOVAKIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Region question I have been researching my grandparents and ggrandparents. They all came from either Cacov or Kunov , Nitra Hungary which is now of course Slovakia. I would like to know how I can distinguish the different regions. I know these villages are in the Zahorie region but is Nitra the county and Cacov the town or village? Also were the people Magyar, Rustyn, how can I tell. I need to know the origin of the surnames I guess before I can go any further . I'm researching the names Zich, Robish , Kicka and Bartone and have so far found very little on the first two and nothing on the last two. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank you Diane, New Jersey ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Diacriticals don't come thru on the mail list. 1914 statistics from Magyarorsag Kozigazgatasi Atlasza 1914, Talma Konyvkiado Cacov , magyar (hungarian) CSACSO 33 magyar 31 germans 911 slovaks 32 gipsy 259 roman catholic 718 evangelical 30 jews KUNOV - magyar KUNO 8 magyar 6 german 460 slovaks 112 roman catholic 357 evangelical 5 jews Bill Tarkulich > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank R. Plichta [mailto:plichta@valink.com] > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:30 PM > To: SLOVAKIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Region question > > > Cacov is really Cacov. Please do not overlook the diacritical marks. > > Cacov is located in Zupa Nitrianska; okres Senica, kraj > Bratislava until 1960 then in okres Senica, kraj > Zapadoslovensky. Kunov is located in the same Zupa > Nitrianska; okres Senica, kraj Bratislava until 1960 then in > okres Senica, kraj Zapadoslovensky. > > I don't understand what you want to "distinguish the > different regions." Kunov has always had a population that > fluctuated between 432 and 600 during the years 1869 and > 1970. Cacov had a population fluctuating between 986 and > 1,265 during the same period. I would consider both > locations as small towns. > > Frank R. Plichta > "Searching the World for PLICHTAs" > "Ja hl'adanie na celom svete za PLICHTA." > "Das die Welt fuer PLICHTA suchen." > "Je cherche le monde pour la famille PLICHTA." > "Buscando el mundo por los PLICHTA." > "Quaerere summa reum familia PLICHTA." > I would appreciate receiving ANY information, about ANY > Plichta, from ANY place, at ANY time in history. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Halsey470@aol.com [mailto:Halsey470@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:26 > To: SLOVAKIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Region question > > I have been researching my grandparents and ggrandparents. > They all came from either Cacov or Kunov , Nitra Hungary > which is now of course Slovakia. I would like to know how I > can distinguish the different regions. I know these villages > are in the Zahorie region but is Nitra the county and Cacov > the town or village? Also were the people Magyar, Rustyn, > how can I tell. I need to know the origin of the surnames I > guess before I can go any further .. I'm researching the > names Zich, Robish , Kicka and Bartone and have so far found > very little on the first two and nothing on the last two. > Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank > you Diane, New Jersey > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go > to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=> 1237 >

Bill I was wondering if you could tell me what county Nandraz is in. Thanks, John Netro Searching Surnames: Nyitrai(y), Bartko, Horkay, Balas

At 12:26 PM 10/4/2002 -0400, Halsey470@aol.com wrote: >I have been researching my grandparents and ggrandparents. They all came >from either Cacov or Kunov , Nitra Hungary which is now of course Slovakia. >I would like to know how I can distinguish the different regions. I know >these villages are in the Zahorie region but is Nitra the county and Cacov >the town or village? Also were the people Magyar, Rustyn, how can I tell. I >need to know the origin of the surnames I guess before I can go any further . > I'm researching the names Zich, Robish , Kicka and Bartone and have so far >found very little on the first two and nothing on the last two. Any help you >can give me will be greatly appreciated. >Thank you >Diane, New Jersey Most likely not Rusyn because of the location of C^a'c^ov (pronounced Chachov) and Kunov. Most Rusyns are Greek Catholic or Pravoslavny (Orthodox). I found a Pavol Zich in C^ac^ov and two Zich in Senica the closest large town. I also found a Pavol and Peter Robych, in Senica which I believe would be pronounced Robish in English. There are 3 Kic^ka listed in Senica. There are four Barton~ ("n~" has the Spanish "ny" sound.) in C^a'c^ov and seven in Senica. Slovak on line phone directory - http://www.zoznamst.sk/eng/index.html John