Okay, Turtlespath - Choose what you will and be whatever emotion you wish! But know this! If you or anyone wants to turn negatives toward the Red Race, and I see it, I will fight with all my spirit's strength to debunk and combat it! It's very obvious we don't talk with the same language even though the words are all in English white! Again, I see you saying all the goodly little things you wish to strive to achieve in your endeavors, but your actions will be the proof of them. Contrary to your assertion, you are not weak, and you never were; but you ARE weak in the way you choose to look upon yourself in the mirror because you do not wish to face reality of what you see. That's for YOU and YOU alone, Turtlespath! I have no dog in that race nor do I wish to have - it's not mine to fight or overcome or win or whatever. I don't like blacks being jammed down my throat all the time, Turtlespath! Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all the other members of the 'Black Caucas' do that quite enough thank you! If that offends you or hurts you or your relatives, then that is something that you will have to work on, isn't it?! The fact still remains, I am tired of having blacks jammed down my throat all the time! That is a FACT, Turtlespath! Do me a favor! Turn any kind of media on and see if it isn't concerned with blacks and their 'shameful' treatment in one way or the other! THEN, tell me I am wrong! If the blacks are so completely and overwhelmingly mistreated so much here in this country, then why the dickens don't they get out and go somewhere else!? This was never their native home lands like it is the Red Man's! Whew! I'll tell you the exact why they don't!! They have it made here!! There is no other place in this world where they would be better off!! So I'm tired of them constantly harping on their 'woe is me' broken record consistently for the past 150 years since the War Between the States!! They don't know when to shut the hell up and start looking at their true circumstances in the world of living! All they can think about is how the white man has enslaved them and beat them and kept them from realizing their potentials while if you look at those Africans over there right now who are still where they were 200 hundred years ago, you'd see them much worse off! No, Turtlespath! I won't accept the fact that the black man over here is in any worse condition than that which he keeps himself in! As I believe you have said yourself, many other races have been enslaved and had to endure similar things; but where are these races today!! None but the black man have stayed in the throws of self-enslavement because they all have taken themselves by their own bootstraps and made their own ways toward achievement and progress. I will say no more on this matter to you because I see you are so completely swallowed up by the sheer idea of being a slave yourself that you won't consider any other way! That's your own fault!! There is absolutely no other country in this whole world who has the freedoms and the diversity and the compassion and the concerns for its citizens than the United States! We are almost to the point of becoming pure Communists because of this, and, believe me, you won't like ommunism!! - Particularly if you really feel about HUMAN RIGHTS, CIVIL RIGHTS, and JUSTICE the way you've stated you do!! On another note. Did you sign the petition for Peltier's Clemency? If you didn't and would like to, I'll try to find the link and send it to you. Black Crow, Messenger ----- Original Message ----- From: <Turtlespath@cs.com> To: <gwy@tellico.net>; <FREEDMEN-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <metisnus2000@yahoo.com>; <mwatts@icx.net>; <georgbleuwolf@yahoo.com>; <leoria13@yahoo.com>; <howardl@inreach.com>; <capt_e@bellsouth.net>; <owings@ilinkusa.net>; <Zacciah@sunreed.com>; <cherokeepam@earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [FREEDMEN-L] Re: Bounced! > Black Crow Messanger, > > As I said before I don't wish to have bad words with you, I face you & I've > told you where I stand. As for fighting my own battle, this was never my > battle, I never went after anyone nor did I attack anyone for posting a for > posting a site called "A Nation Apart" > http://www.duke.edu/~awd/native-am/slavery.html > > I haven't displayed any hurtfulness towards you or anyone else. If me not > fighting back with you makes me the weak one, then so be it. Maybe your > persistance on this matter won't stop because you haven't got me to be > angered with you? > > I have nothing to gain by allowing someone to take my balance. Do you not > remember your 1st e-mail to me? My family does, those who are in the real > world who I can see face to face do. It wasn't respectful the way you spoke > of African People. Your portrayed them awefully as all being one way. Does > this make me bad or wrong because I don't wish to be e-mailed Racist things? > We are all colors of the rainbow and created by the 1 God, so can't we > express our views in a way where others wouldn't be offended as a RACE? I try > my best to not offend others, we all have faults and we don't always keep our > balance, and it's hard to have patience sometimes. I am a strong person & I > care greatly about my people. There's nothing I wouldn't do to help another > humanbeing. It seems we have misunderstood eachothers intentions somewhere > down the line. Maybe by the way we both express ourselves could be > misinterpreted. I just know this Black Crow Messanger, I know my heart and > Creator knows my heart best of all. HUMAN RIGHTS, CIVIL RIGHTS & JUSTICE for > those who have been falsely accused of a crimes they haven't committed, > Saving Sacred Burial Grounds, Protecting our Elders from Elder Abuse are just > some of the interests I strongly fight for. Right now I'd like to put more > of my energy into something more positive like Clemency for Leonard Peltier & > others who need support. > > vv